Thank you DynamisEpitome!

[Hach]

Hmm I think acts is arguing/harping about the point of seniority. If you consider within a school or a company, seniority come with power and authority. Therefore since RoR started before DE, this give them the "seniority" compared to DE which mean that DE should be accommodating to RoR because they choose to enter at this time and they are the "junior" within this time.

Whereas Marajade and the rest of the gang is arguing/harping upon the point of equality and "first come first serve" basis. There is no such thing as seniority/junior position but the idea of "I choose the place first, I reserved it first so I have the right to it".

I am not really in the position to comment which is the "correct" which is "wrong" but rather on harping on the same point, a better argument should consist of 1) you understand what they saying 2)why their idea is fault and your is correct. I have solved question 1, only someone else got to solve question 2.

PS: Chinis I HAVE ALWAYS KNOWN YOU ARE EMO! STOP LYING EMODRK!

 

[jamal]

Psylentcuda just gave reasons why seniority isn't a case here anyway. Shells are renamed and reformed for various reasons all the time. Yea it's shitty they didn't want to work anything out, but frankly, TS.

 

[Sneakypants]

They could have worked with you on it more, but having posted their schedule first, there's not much you can do about it. Being late is lame, but a pretty regular thing in this game. Knowingly having many menbers on the East coast and knowingly planning runs that start at midnight is just asking for frustration as well.

Work with what you can control. Perhaps adjust your schedule. It's already proven frustrating to your own people. If others don't want to bend for you, you can ask them to, but that's where your part in it ends. If they don't want to, that's their choice.

 

[acts]

This is a "first come first serve," issue as well, in regards to the last 3 posts. Dynamis is a reservation system, so Marajade's argument and issue is that they have posted, therefore they get the zone first. Then the argument that just because we've been around longer than (according to psy) their latest incarnation, doesn't mean we have the right to anything. And we've been around since early 2006.

If that's not Mara's point, then please explain it to me, instead of calling my argument stupid or saying I don't get it. Because that's all I see here often, belittling words.

What about first come first serve according to the time slot. Marajade said it was our choice to choose to play that time slot. That's correct and we chose to play at that time slot at 9 PM PST. As far as I can tell, we've chosen to play that time slot since before the inception of "DynamisEpitome." Maybe their shell should've realized that Dynamis can be longer than 3 hours and chose a different time slot with their latest incarnation? Who's to say they have a right to that time slot over us? It's not the same as a faf camp because you have to reserve the time, just like the place.

They could have worked with you on it more, but having posted their schedule first, there's not much you can do about it. Being late is lame, but a pretty regular thing in this game. Knowingly having many menbers on the East coast and knowingly planning runs that start at midnight is just asking for frustration as well.

Work with what you can control. Perhaps adjust your schedule. It's already proven frustrating to your own people. If others don't want to bend for you, you can ask them to, but that's where your part in it ends. If they don't want to, that's their choice.

It just feels unfair because the timeline of who's been around with their scheduled timeslot first is sketchy, but why does it have to be us to move when we've been trying to cooperate with them. But thanks for the advice.

Our linkshell has been flexible, and we'll do what we can.

 

[Wireman]

Just funny how this thread started out as "We posted first, DE Fucked us" and then turns into "DE is rude, didnt communicate with us blah blah". We know northerlands can take up over 3hrs. So if DE starts at 6pm and your shell at 9, why do the same dynamis zone? Move to another zone or something. I can see if there start time was say 7pm or something, but a 3hr difference in runs? I just see you wanting to complain and hope people would join your side, but as you can see, people read facts. DE posted there sch before you, DE has runs 3hrs before you, and has always been 3hrs before you from what your saying. And when i was with DE, dalkiel was pulling or Sirfang. Did you try talking to any the other leads with them? Mayby the "Not even Communicating" was cause the lead you were talking to was pulling? Fighting? Busy?

Just my 2 gil

 

[Grandphoenix]

they mean over the past 2 weeks not just last night

 

[Wireman]

i see. But the fact that its a northerland and there hoping for the LS to be Completed 3hrs after they start is just silly. Plus asking them to leave 30 mins early? That wouldent do anything, as someone posted above that even if they left, the zone would still be occupied. DE did this before in Jeuno, after the win ppl just dropped glass and exited. Some people went back in to try farm some more coins and such. I've also read where some LS's have dropped glass after beac win to farm more cause of the dragons. Wouldent a LS thats been around longer know that leaveing early still ='s no entry for them? What i am saying is this thread was just a frustration being released. yes it sucks that your LS has to wait, sucks many of your members are est and dont go in till midnight+ there time. But mayby this will be a sign to change zones or run times to advoid conflicts.


P.S. got a text, funny for me got to share!
Humpty Dumpty sat on the bed, while little bo peep was giving him head. As he came she began to weep, she knew from the taste he was fucking her sheep!

Sorry lol

 

[RaidrX]

Just wanted to correct you here, our shell has been running for more than 2 years. Their shell started up after ours, and selected their time. Our shell runs late BECAUSE no other shell does, which gives the opportunity to west coast players to actually have a shell to join and participate in this event.

Thats cool you've been around awhile, but that doesn't mean you can post your times for running after they had already posted, and then just assume they should change there schedule because you've been around longer. I can understand that its a pain that they enter late but you could always schedule knowing that they more than likely will be late.

We were not "planning" on a 30 minute wait either. I never got a response from their leader when I PMed him asking if their shell would at least let our shell enter on time if they weren't going to bother changing zones.

Well yeah kind of:

If they actually enter on time, and get all extensions, they would be delaying our shell by 30 minutes.

Considering there schedule was up before yours, and you knew with all extensions theyd still be in dynamis 30 mins after your scheduled start time, I'd say thats planning for the 30 min delay.

Also, maybe its just me but I think thats kind of a dick move to ask a shell to cut there hour glass short so you can enter 30 mins early. Your basically asking everyone in that run to give up any possible drops that may happen during that time. And I know I've seen drops happen in the last 2-3 mins of a run. It just seems to me you're being a little selfish about the whole deal.


On another note:

Lamebus. Oh, you probably meant a Dynamis shell. Of course, I'm making a Dynamis shell soon too and you can be assured that it'll start on-time.

Can I join?

 

[Zoltan]

Also, maybe its just me but I think thats kind of a dick move to ask a shell to cut there hour glass short so you can enter 30 mins early.

Our time was Scheduled for 9pm PST. It was scheduled for 9pm PST. Dalkiel stated that they started late.

No entering early. Sorry you were confused.

 

[RaidrX]

Our time was Scheduled for 9pm PST. It was scheduled for 9pm PST. Dalkiel stated that they started late.

No entering early. Sorry you were confused.

What? I was referring to Zerayla asking them to cut their run short so you could enter on time, or 30 mins earlier than you would have had they not cut their run short.

 

[eiteen]

What? I was referring to Zerayla asking them to cut their run short so you could enter on time, or 30 mins earlier than you would have had they not cut their run short.

we entered about 45 mins late. this all could have been solved if DE said to Zer; hai i know we could possibly be overlapping in our runs, i will try my best to get my shell in at the scheduled time so that we dont go that far into your guys's run. end of story bai 2 shells happy, no flameboard post.

 

[RaidrX]

we entered about 45 mins late. this all could have been solved if DE said to Zer; hai i know we could possibly be overlapping in our runs, i will try my best to get my shell in at the scheduled time so that we dont go that far into your guys's run. end of story bai 2 shells happy, no flameboard post.

Or it could have been avoided had Zerayla not scheduled you 3 hours after they entered.

Let me try this one more time because you guys don't seem to be grasping this.

DE posted their run times on the 23rd. Zerayla posted RoRs run times on the 24th. So that means DE posted their schedule first not the other way around which Zerayla seems to think. They run at 6, you run at 9. Now here is a quote from wiki:

these can increase Dynamis time to a maximum of 210 minutes, or three and a half hours

UH-OH 6 + 3:30 = 9:30. HOLY SHIT. That means if they entered on time you'd have to wait 30 mins for them to finish, providing they got every time extension.

If you guys don't want to wait for them to finish don't schedule your run during a time where they very well could have time remaining on their hour glass.

Now posting your schedule AFTER another shell and then asking THEM to switch to accommodate YOU is pretty fucking rude. As is asking a shell to leave their run early so you can start at the time you want. DE by no means should have to change their schedule to accommodate you or end their run early, unless you posted first.

If Zerayla had posted on say the 20th or 21st with your times and then they posted their times but were unwilling to change, then I'd agree that they would be pulling a dick move. However thats not the case. All this flame basically is, is ROR whining because they didn't get their way.

And yes DE probably entered 15 mins late but its dynamis you should expect shells to be a few mins late. And if youre gonna start a flame over 15 mins then you have some serious sand in your vagina.

 

[Rappa]

we entered about 45 mins late. this all could have been solved if DE said to Zer; hai i know we could possibly be overlapping in our runs, i will try my best to get my shell in at the scheduled time so that we dont go that far into your guys's run. end of story bai 2 shells happy, no flameboard post.

How would that have solved anything? It sounds like RoR was just expecting them to cut off 30 minutes of their runtime (I'm assuming RoR wasn't planning to reimburse them for their lost 30 minutes out of their 500k entry fee?) as a convenience to themselves.

 

[Courtney]

What about first come first serve according to the time slot. Marajade said it was our choice to choose to play that time slot. That's correct and we chose to play at that time slot at 9 PM PST. As far as I can tell, we've chosen to play that time slot since before the inception of "DynamisEpitome." Maybe their shell should've realized that Dynamis can be longer than 3 hours and chose a different time slot with their latest incarnation? Who's to say they have a right to that time slot over us? It's not the same as a faf camp because you have to reserve the time, just like the place.

So you think that because your'e the older shell noone should be running at the same time as you?

Compromises have to be made, but you've made a schedule without checking whether the zone was already taken, and then you've expected the shell that already booked the zone to just move. If you're communications were in anything like the tone you and Zeralya have used here, where you both seem to think you had a right to the zone, then I wouldn't have been discussing anything with you either.

This is coming from the oldest NA Dynamis shell on the server, and we don't have any more right to a zone than anyone else...

 

[Myrrh]

Let he who is without sin break the first hourglass.

 

[Euphacent]

45 minutes isn't long if all you do is play FFXI for a living, but I know I hate sitting around for 45 minutes doing nothing when I have limited FFXI play time due to actually being a productive person in society.

 

[Grandphoenix]

Your mother is a productive person in society she is a fine citizen

 

[eiteen]

How would that have solved anything? It sounds like RoR was just expecting them to cut off 30 minutes of their runtime (I'm assuming RoR wasn't planning to reimburse them for their lost 30 minutes out of their 500k entry fee?) as a convenience to themselves.

It would have probably stopped this thread from being created. Keep in mind i am in ROR, but i am trying to see both sides of this. From reading the 2 scheduling threads from DE and ROR, it looks like Zer was trying to get a peaceful solution by asking them to enter on time etc etc but DE never responded. Please correct if thats wrong.

also, who cares who posted first, i dont see how that argument can go on for this long. If we all want to reread the scheduling guidelines, it basically says to post what your shell needs, then work around it from there, which is what zer did. If it was a first come first serve basis it would be hell to schedule anything.

From doing a little digging I think this could have been avoided if DE communicated better with ROR. Now if its something personal against ROR then i guess they succeeded.

 

[Psylentcuda]

And yes DE probably entered 15 mins late but its dynamis you should expect shells to be a few mins late. And if youre gonna start a flame over 15 mins then you have some serious sand in your vagina.

Raidrx not a reply to you, just clarification of why I was so pissed last night about it when they tried to flame us. We had planned an attestation run for the night. We didn't even plan on taking all the extentions. In fact we didn't take 3 of them because they were too far out of the way to get to they wouldn't be beneficial. Just before we pull our first Attestation mob, they DEMAND we leave the zone because they had also scheduled the run. We killed the NM we needed and then went to kill another NM we could use.
We didn't even attempt the other extensions when we killed the first NM we needed with 40 min left on the clock. How fucking retarded are you to ask a shell right as they pull the pinnacle of the their run to drop glasses and leave because you are an impatient little bitch (which, as said earlier, would have done no one any good because you still couldn't enter)

 

[Zerayla]

Would of been nice to have had a reply to the last PM I sent to Dalkiel, asking that if they couldn't re-work something in their schedule (seeing as they have more runs to play with than we do, making it a little easier for them) if they would be willing to either enter early, or exit by the time our shell would be scheduled to enter.


It would of also been nice to have received a reply to Dalkiel the first time I asked him last night, how much time was remaining in their hourglass. I was ignored, and instead had to ask another member of his shell to give me that information.

They weren't in any way willing to try and work something out.

And contrary to the obvious assumptions from a few people, if at any time they had responded with a suggestion of how to resolve the conflict (i'm sorry but saying you won't do anything isn't a suggestion to resolve the conflict) then our shell would have tried to work with them. We've worked with other shells in the past to work out conflicts, so to assume otherwise just shows how biased people's opinions can be.

In the end, my purpose of writing the flame wasn't to continue argueing with brick walls. I made this flame to be more of a rant. 30+ people were inconvenienced because of the leadership of another shell that believes ignoring is the better way to handle a scheduling conflict.