The Great Sub Job Stupidity And Raise Ethics

Keryan said:
I would point out that at lv 20 on up daggers give nice stats. some give acc and evasion bonus, some are acc and att bonus. I know when i Leveled thf I went /nin at 20 because of the bonuses i got from my weapons. If a thf hits for 0 you gain no TP. and if said thf dies on pull back... well you know exp sucks. I would have to say you only looked at it from a dmg view and what a SJ can give if it was a non /nin. Dancer CAN NOT gain tp if they miss. so poping on 2 daggers that up their hit % I think is worth it even if they hit a tad slower. At least they would hit.

Also think about race. I am elvaan <all elvaans are a little cross eyed> I would chose weapons that helped increase my lack of accuracy. So I would recommend thinking about the weapons they are using while /nin instead of omg 10% reduction. Please remember there is no acc rings til lv 30. all there are is the lv 14 rings that for single handed weapons = 1 acc. So getting +4 acc or more at lv 20 can be a great help to the party. Please remember this would be more for dagger jobs.

I also recall before the 2 hander upgrade the reason so many warriors used dual wield was because missing once with a great axe was a big 0 dmg, but missing once with dual wield axes meant you still hit with 1 of the axes. many a party got mad when they saw I was a Great axe warrior back then. So on jobs other than dancer and thf i think you have a complaint for /nin at 20. But I think your wrong to disregard the other stats daggers give. There are more to them than delay.
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Now to actually comment on your post.

First bold. This totally contradicts itself. You say to use daggers for stat bonuses, yet you say thiefs hitting for 0 get no TP. First off, the stat bonuses aren't worth it. Secondly, the shitty WS you get at that level, along with shitty base damage make having a sword would be much better. SA+Fast Blade is best thief WS until Viper Bite at 33.

bold. WTF? Makes no sense. How can you up your hit % if you are hitting slower. First of all, what you are referencing has nothing to do with this. Second of all, you aren't upping your hit % if you hit slower. If you hit slower, you would actually be decreasing it. I don't know if you are just slow or typed the wrong words, but you make no sense.

bold. No, just no. Race is negligible. This argument lost in 2004 and it will lose now.
 
lol Whoops, hit post instead of preview. Should say Second bold and Third Bold at beginning of those last 2 thoughts. That and I didn't finish the rest of his thread. Someone else do it lol
 
Lanien said:
lol Whoops, hit post instead of preview. Should say Second bold and Third Bold at beginning of those last 2 thoughts. That and I didn't finish the rest of his thread. Someone else do it lol
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Lawl@u :)
 
Lanien, I'm pretty sure he's referencing accuracy boosts from crap like Bone Knife. Which still is a far cry away from being worth throwing away Berserk for all the same =\
 
So I would love to know who this little shit Sargis is that decided to rate me down because as he says:

Sorry, wrong. Daggers > Sword at 20. Higher DoT > Higher spike. Piercing > Slashing. Just, no. Seriously.
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Good thing he is a puss with no reputation of his own so he only gray dots me. How about you come in here and actually try and stand up to someone in the flameboard rather than trying to hide behind your reputation system.
 
Lanien said:
So I would love to know who this little shit Sargis is that decided to rate me down because as he says:



Good thing he is a puss with no reputation of his own so he only gray dots me. How about you come in here and actually try and stand up to someone in the flameboard rather than trying to hide behind your reputation system.
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Lol too bad crabs are resistant to piercing amirite?
 
Also I fucking lol'd at his comment I didn't realize hitting 0-5 was better than 20-30. Also two hits (Fast Blade)> One hit (wasp sting)
 
Daggers before Shadowstich is really stupid for Thf (wouldn't say shadowstich>Fast blade but it wasn't horrible). I went /rng and ate rice dumplings for slight acc boost and str/atk+. hitting for 0-5 almost never happened, more like 15-20. It depends on your TP gear (like not meleeing in mythril earrings) but crabs just plain suck.
 
Neisan said:
Daggers before Shadowstich is really stupid for Thf (wouldn't say shadowstich>Fast blade but it wasn't horrible). I went /rng and ate rice dumplings for slight acc boost and str/atk+. hitting for 0-5 almost never happened, more like 15-20. It depends on your TP gear (like not meleeing in mythril earrings) but crabs just plain suck.
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More people should use Rice Dumplings at lower levels, seriously. If you're a job with A-skill weapon, you don't need the Accuracy+10 from Jack-O'-Lanterns in order to hit at a good rate, and Sushis are honestly rather useless. Pure +attack can be good. however, Rice Dumplings > everything at this level for jobs such as DRG.
 
Neisan said:
Daggers before Shadowstich is really stupid for Thf (wouldn't say shadowstich>Fast blade but it wasn't horrible). I went /rng and ate rice dumplings for slight acc boost and str/atk+. hitting for 0-5 almost never happened, more like 15-20. It depends on your TP gear (like not meleeing in mythril earrings) but crabs just plain suck.
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Throw on that attack boost to swords you still get better results out of swords lol
 
OMG I AM SO SCARED! He PM'ed me and sounded SOOOO threatening.

Titled: Hey fruitcake

I'd love to slap you ignorant retards around in FB but with few posts, they have to be approved by Mods who are too fucking lazy to bother. You idiotic faggots and your love for e-peen dot system blows my mind. I simply used it to correct your idiotic argument.

Maybe you should learn a little bit before you open your mouth. Tried and tested, two merc daggers killed any sword. SA Fastblade was decent, but SA Shadowstich kept up and overall DoT was far better.

kbai
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I'll be waiting for this little shit to be approved.
 
Actually, in that particularly party there was a galka nin and a hume thf. I don't have empress pin and the thf might have had merits so he was obviously doing a lot better than I was. He went sword, I went dagger. His Fast blades were doing more, but I can't tell if his DoT was significantly better. Probably was since the skill difference isn't that huge at 24-25. The poor nin couldn't hold hate off either one of us after SAWS even with +enmity gear. I actually slightly regretted not having /nin for survivability, Those Gigas hurt.
 
I think I went Dagger/Dagger at 30 when I was leveling THF. The added effects from a +2 Dagger and the +10RACC did allow me to do some pretty good damage. Albeit wasn't the best combo but I never once had to get healed since I always had enough bloody bolts, acid bolts, sleep bolts, etc.
 
Lanien said:
OMG I AM SO SCARED! He PM'ed me and sounded SOOOO threatening.

Titled: Hey fruitcake




I'll be waiting for this little shit to be approved.
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Who sent that PM? xD
Neisan said:
Actually, in that particularly party there was a galka nin and a hume thf. I don't have empress pin and the thf might have had merits so he was obviously doing a lot better than I was. He went sword, I went dagger. His Fast blades were doing more, but I can't tell if his DoT was significantly better. Probably was since the skill difference isn't that huge at 24-25. The poor nin couldn't hold hate off either one of us after SAWS even with +enmity gear. I actually slightly regretted not having /nin for survivability, Those Gigas hurt.
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Hence why I said /NIN at 24+ is totally acceptable. Before then, though, it rarely serves a purpose.
 
Uzor said:
Who sent that PM? xD

Hence why I said /NIN at 24+ is totally acceptable. Before then, though, it rarely serves a purpose.
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Fagis... oh shit I meant Sagis.
 
Yeah, someone named Sagis.
 
You'll want to use daggers 24+ because mandies are weak to piercing.
 
Davion said:
Plus like me when I was raising THF and BLU, I've been told to sub NIN when I hit 20. I never considered those things to be a factor. I just liked looking cool with 2 weapons on.
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Isnt this all that matters really? :)
 
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