the most overdone topic returns!

Hey Lanien, believe it or not but PLAYING the job does make a person more qualified to talk about it then someone who doesn't. Sure, I may know more about Thief then some brainless nutsack out there who can't land SATA to save their life at fifty-eight, but I won't try to pretend I know more about it then a competent Thief.

Not playing the job does limit your comprehension of it a bit. Limit your commentary to match, and you won't have such a problem.
 
Then I'll say it again? Does he have a level 70 RDM? I played RDM to 45 with my last character before deleting him since I found out that being a mage just isn't for me. I know how refresh works. I know how enfeebling works.
 
I wasn't referring to the quality of your post lan, it's good material. what i was referring to was referring to the cussing. Sorry i didn't make that clear ^^;
 
I like colorful words. Sue me :roll: :wink:
 
Lanien said:
BLM posting about getting refreshed? If a taru BLM runs out of MB during a chain, he has issues. And a party with 2 BLM, they should need even less refresh. You shouldn't be complaining about not getting refreshed. I assume it is Reishu you are talking about about, and I have had the pleasure to party with her twice, and hopefully again in the future. She is a good RDM. Her enfeebles stick basically every time, refreshes when it is needed, heals when needed, and is all around a great player.

Refreshing 6 people is a hard task to do, especially when she has other jobs to do. Enfeebling is a main part of the job no matter what way you look at it. A WHM is busy curing the puller who usually takes a hit or two on the way back. A BLM should be rasping, frosting, whatever it is they do. At that point, the RDM is casting dia, paralyze, slow, and your other basic enfeebles, which in the end, conserves more MP that a refresh will ever give you. The refresh cycle consists of the RDM -> PLD if there is one -> WHM. That is the main cycle. A BLM shouldn't need refresh if doing their job. Nuke -> Rest -> Nuke -> Rest. The only BLM that needs a refresh is a chain nuker. Yes, most of the time you will get refreshed, but case in point, you shouldn't need it during a chain to 5. I would say a DRK needs a refresh before a BLM ever will because those absorb spells help out everyone, even the BLM with Absorb-Int. Before complaining about a RDM not doing her job, get your priorities straight and stop nuking like crazy.


I thank you for posting that -much-.I would have blown my own head open with this overdone subject. I can't express how much I hate it when people ask for refresh. Especially BLMs. I know I do my job well. I keep a constant Refresh cycle up, unless there's a dire emergency and I have to heal instead of refresh. But all I really have to say on the topic of refresh and BLMs:

If you are a BLM, and are doing your job correctly- you should NEVER run out of MP. You heal when the fight begins; let your tank get hate. You do NOT start nuking the fuck out of the mob and spam your |refresh| |please| macro!
 
as a 69 RDM, I've found this to be my technique in EXP:

Remember, {Refresh} has a casting time - in between, I like to filter enfeebles or hastes, cures, MB's... whatever is neccessary. I keep a perfect refresh order, PLD first... Everyone is constantly refreshed. I can see how there are some RDM who maybe don't pay attention as much as they should, or really understand a refresh order... but remember, there *IS* a casting time between refresh... many other things for a RDM to do instead of wait 20 seconds to cast refresh again.

I don't use "the pokey thing" when I'm exping. When I'm farming, I throw on my Assault Jerkin and Haste, equip Gold Sword I'm set... I do different things in different situations. We're here for more than /ma "Refresh" <stpc> /wait 20 /ma "Refresh <stpc> over and over again.
 
hehe its topics like these that remind me as to why I started a static party for my rdm ^^

But I'm spoiled, my static has brd, whm, and myself ^^; go go MP regen!!! At any rate, I have xp'd plenty having to refresh myself along with whm, pld, and blm so I do know what it is like and how to keep a proper cycle.

I always keep refresh on, even during down time, that way I don't lose my cycle.

I have /equip macros for damn near everything -.- I have light, dark, earth, ice, wind, and lightening staves at my disposal as well. I also work hard to keep my enfeebling skills capped and my enfeebles stick 98% of the time. If it doesn't stick, I recast it, if it gets resisted more than twice, I drop it, but usually, third time's the charm I find ^^

I don't know why so many have problems with refresh, its such an easy thing to do and keep an eye on if you pay attention and do your job. I rarely let Refresh fall off of anyone unless I'm focused on some out of the ordinary thing that is happening and even then I'm kicking myself for letting it drop off the whm, pld, blm, or myself.

And as for those who mention converting mid-fight, there is nothing wrong with converting mid-fight if it is absolutely necessary (ie. whm is out of MP), as long as said RDM moves out of hate range/AoE range. Any RDM that convert+ Cure IVx2 isnide hate range/AoE range and then wonders why they wind up dead or why they are being smacked around.. needs to use their head.
 
Hmm... Why me?

Well.. Hi! I um.. Finally decided to sign up.. Figured "Hey! How much fun would it be to see if I have posts about me in here?" Well.. Not too much I guess.. I tried to look through this LONG drawn out post... I see my name in a few spots but again, can't understand what I did wrong....


Red Mage is my absolutely favorite job... In parties I honestly Refresh and Enfeeble.. Refresh starts w/ me.. always.. Then PLD, WHM, BLM & anyone else... Enfeebles are usually Dia II, Paralyze, Slow, Blind (if pld or ninja don't do it).. I usually ALWAYS burst... I don't nuke.. It's silly to do so, I just get resisted all the time and do crap damage anyway... Don't forget erase or haste if you have time and MP. Subbing WHM is the best thing to happen to me.. Too bad I didn't learn this until 68+ Divine Seal and Convert were SO made for eachother.
One of the saddest parts of my job is... I sacrifice /heal-ing like the BLM and WHM because I have a Refresh Schedule to keep up with... I usually run out of MP and don't get to /heal once... But.. Thats why the SE gods gave RDM Convert.. Thats what sets us aside and makes us so much cooler than other mages... We may run out of MP but.. Every couple minutes Boom! Full MP!! Yay!! SO that is the life of ME in a party...

Keep in mind, Red Mage has a LOT of things going for it. 1. I look f'n awesome in that Jse... and 2. I um.. Kick ass.. But There are different ways you have to act when in a party and whem in a quest, or solo. You kinda have to eat the crow handed to you and do what the party wants. Sure you could be an ass and go back to seeking.. Lord knows we'll get a party shortly.. However, all in all.. Have to do what the party expects. Think about it.. Can't go around as a WHM and say you'll only heal the main tank... Or a PLD that says he won't provoke.. A ninja that won't sub warrior and tank... A RDM that won't refresh everyone in the party that has MP... Think about it.. Would you invite any of these people... pfft... Maybe you could get a Dark Knight that uses a one handed sword... Or a 60+ Warrior/Monk w/ a Polearm... hahahahahaha!!

Have fun and see ya in game ^^~
 
I am sick and tired of people saying that if a BLM runs out of MP during chains, that he/she isnt doing his/her job right. When was the last time you checked how much MP Firaga III takes to cast? If I can remember is 275. Now I am a taru that is geared for INT not MP, and I have roughly 900MP. So just 1 Firaga III takes roughly 1/3 of my MP. Leaving me with around 600. But before I MB, I have already casted my debuffs which cost me around 150 MP, that is 450MP left. So I have 450 MP to cast any other magic.

When this continues chain after chain, even with my Dark Staff, Black Cloak, AND Refresh, I am starting battles with around 200MP. I have to rest just long enough to get MP to MB sometimes.

I know the arguement will be that I am a chain nuker, but that is so wrong. You can ask anyone is my static how bored I get because the melees( RNG, DRK) are doing so much dmg, that I can't cast anything or my MB will be pointless.

So saying that a good BLM doesn't need refresh is BS, plain and simple. In my static we changed the Refresh order to RDM, PLD, BLM, WHM, DRK. Because the WHM/SMN w/ Nobles, never runs out of MP. Many times I get tells from him wishing he had an ability to give me his MP.
 
Remus said:
When was the last time you checked how much MP Firaga III takes to cast?

This is everyones point, which you stated and missed. Yes alot of BLM"s don't understand exactly how much mp it costs to cast those spells, which is why they cast them so much.
 
Darkdante said:
Remus said:
When was the last time you checked how much MP Firaga III takes to cast?

This is everyones point, which you stated and missed. Yes alot of BLM"s don't understand exactly how much mp it costs to cast those spells, which is why they cast them so much.

Thank you. Firaga 3 is a once a battle thing. The damage output from that as I have seen is 1300+ Before that, if you are over nuking, you will pull hate and get whacked. Don't blame anyone but yourself when you pull hate but yourself.
 
[quote="Darkdante]This is everyones point, which you stated and missed. Yes alot of BLM"s don't understand exactly how much mp it costs to cast those spells, which is why they cast them so much.[/quote]

So what point are you trying to make? I don't understand, I was explaining that it takes a lot of MP to cast these spells(even with Conserve MP). And even without "over nuking", you run out of MP, go ahead and re-read or read the last part of my post. Thanks.

Lanien said:
Thank you. Firaga 3 is a once a battle thing. The damage output from that as I have seen is 1300+ Before that, if you are over nuking, you will pull hate and get whacked. Don't blame anyone but yourself when you pull hate but yourself.

I guess you are ignoring what I type and imagining other things. I never once said I get aggro from over nuking, complaining about getting aggro. I was just stating that the idea that "Good" BLMs don't need refresh is wrong.

I am a good BLM, ask anyone that has played with me. And I need refresh to keep my MP pool up over chains. So get your story straight before you make assumptions about me.
 
It's a generalization. I said WHEN it happens, don't complain.
 
So MR. I am the Uberness and so smart that I am un able to explain anything. Tell me what stupid point you are trying to make, so that maybe us lesser mortals can possibly understand your so high and mighty intellegience.
 
Remus said:
So MR. I am the Uberness and so smart that I am un able to explain anything. Tell me what stupid point you are trying to make, so that maybe us lesser mortals can possibly understand your so high and mighty intellegience.

Which Enfeebles are you casting?
 
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