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The Mouse that roared: Why Ron Paul won the election said:
Well now, Republicans say, we have a nominee. That may very well be but there was only one clear winner in the confusing GOP nominating contest and it was not John McCain. The winner was Ron Paul. And the effects of his win will be felt for years to come.

Ron Paul made a classic political mistake. He told the truth. In debate after debate he pointed at his party, his president, his fellow contenders for the GOP nomination, shouting aloud like the little boy in the proverbial story, “they have no clothes” and lo and behold, we looked and they didn’t. They were all naked.

He showed that the conservative movement has lost its way, its moral authority and its logic. He showed us that we have become a red team versus blue team. That since we have decided that this is a political war and all normal rules are suspended, conservatives can do liberal things to win it. Conservatives can run up big deficits if it helps their side win. They can dole out needless pork if it elects another “conservative” to congress. They can go to war if it makes their president look like a leader and wins him another term.

But in the process, Ron Paul showed us, that we have lost our way. We are no longer conservatives. We are fighting for power not for principles. We have become corrupted by the process and the only way back is to retrace our steps and find all the things we discarded along he way.

Barry Goldwater lighted a similar fire with his Conscience of a Conservative. Its truth and arguments were so obvious and so honest that one laughed aloud while reading it. But Goldwater, himself, was doomed to political defeat. And Ron Paul had no chance to win this election either. One could see that when he first opened his mouth.

And yet, the words and arguments of Ron Paul are still resonating. They still hang over this election. They are haunting and troubling. They are producing blogs and papers and books and like Goldwater’s revolution they will one day very likely produce their own Ronald Reagan. And when those heady days happen a small but hearty band of pioneers, who first had the nerve to join him and start shouting from the street, “They aren’t wearing any clothes,” will be able to say that they could see what the country missed. They were there when history was made.

John McCain and his poorly chosen words, of staying in Iraq a hundred years, have almost guaranteed that he will be the answer to the trivia question, who was the Republican candidate who lost to the ticket that claimed the first woman and black for the presidency? Another question may very well be, “What other candidate ran that year and launched the movement that has dominated national politics for the last generation?”

And the answer will be Ron Paul.

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/the-mouse-that-roared-why-ron-paul-won-the-election/

Pretty much sums up the election for me.
 
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John McCain and his poorly chosen words, of staying in Iraq a hundred years, have almost guaranteed that he will be the answer to the trivia question, who was the Republican candidate who lost to the ticket that claimed the first woman and black for the presidency? Another question may very well be, “What other candidate ran that year and launched the movement that has dominated national politics for the last generation?”

While we're on the subject of poorly chosen words...
 
A little saying I read in The Leaf-Chronicle. . .

When a Politician says yes, he means maybe

When he says maybe, he says I'll consider the idea lightly but most likely not.

When he says no, he means no in the most extreme form.


A little paraphrased, but something to add as food for thought, not a McCain supporter but staying in Iraq for 100 years. . . {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass}
 
I'm not sure I'd give Ron Paul all the credit for pointing out what supreme fuck-ups the Republicans have become under Bush's reign. Democrats have been saying it for years. /rimshot
 
but the democrats are worse...
 
Pretty much sums up the election for me.


As does this...

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Look, I don't like McCain any more than you do, but it doesn't matter how many yards you make in a game - it's the score at the end that matters.

If this election has proved anything, it's that the average American does not care about principle-based leadership.
 
but the democrats are worse...

Yeah, I remember those dark, savage days when Bill Clinton was president and we had a good economy, a budget surplus and were starting to pay down the national debt. Those Democrats are real spendthrift monsters compared to the Republicans. Oh wait...

As for principled leadership, that probably explains why turnout for the Democrat primaries are dwarfing the GOP's. People are finally getting sick to death of all the bullshit Bush and company has put the country through. It's time to clean house.

I'll continue the conversation in the 2008 Mega Thread, though. I don't want to derail Ron Paul nostalgia anymore.
 
Yeah, I remember those dark, savage days when Bill Clinton was president and we had a good economy, a budget surplus and were starting to pay down the national debt. Those Democrats are real spendthrift monsters compared to the Republicans.

There was NEVER a budget surplus. That "surplus" was only on paper and never actually materialized. surprise surprise.
 
I would encourage some semblance of proof. The more I get into politics, the more I find people willing to toss around beliefs that other have informed them of, w/out requiring proof. Hell, I've done it once or twice, and both times I have been burned.

I have heard Bill started paying down the debt. Show me the chart without a dip in our deficit, and the source. =)
 
I have heard Bill started paying down the debt. Show me the chart without a dip in our deficit, and the source. =)
Hidden since it breaks the boards.
Spoiler:

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Found here, sourced from US Department of Treasury.


He never paid off any debt, but he's definitely not nearly as bad as others.
 
Uh, maybe I'll look at the treasury info myself. It does support the common belief, but it is so easy to spin statistics. I'll look later.
 
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66

Lifted here: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm

The deficit did rise with Clinton, but clearly, Clinton was approaching the point of pay off. Bush has doubled the debt.
 
One could argue that's because the democrats don't do much, like not fighting whole other nations...
 
That would be a valid correlation.
 
Well as of late the Democrats have been better on spending simply for the fact that the congress was republican and wouldn't let them get anything they wanted done during most of that same time and also there were wars going on for most of the terms of the republicans where as there was relative peace during the democrat's stays. On a related note I have lost most if not all faith that any republicans will actually stick to their small government promises(especially McPain but not including Paul of course). However the core ideas of the republican party are the ones that i believe in... Small government, low taxes, and personal responsibility. For the reason that i have lost faith in the Repubs i must admit that more than likely i will Cross the Asile to vote for Obama... however i WILL NOT under any circumstances vote for the hildebeast.

The reason that i posted this article was more to point out the idea that a movement has been started and there is the hope and possibility of long term change to the GOP. Perhaps what we really need is for people to run as Constitutionalists rather than republicans but there are quite a few people who are heavily involved in congressional races.

http://www.paulcongress.com/index.html
 
One could argue that's because the democrats don't do much, like not fighting whole other nations...

I'd rather have that then be fighting a war we shouldn't be in...
 
Ron Paul has yet to win any of the Republican primaries or caucuses (source). He might be popular online but that popularity is not spilling over into the voting booth.
 
Ron paul would be a serious contender in the election if the legal voting age was 13

Not taking shots at paul, I voted for him in the primary myself, but it's no secret that well over half of his hardcore internet supporters are underage.

A lot of people donated to his campaign using their parents credit cards
 
Ron paul would be a serious contender in the election if the legal voting age was 13

Not taking shots at paul, I voted for him in the primary myself, but it's no secret that well over half of his hardcore internet supporters are underage.

A lot of people donated to his campaign using their parents credit cards

Cause you know, I'm sure more than 2% of 13 year olds in the US actually GIVE A SHIT about the election... seriously where did you hear that bull shit?
 
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