The virtue of Absolute Virtue

Moink said:
Let those who actually want to have new ideas and thoeries express themselves here in,
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You realize so far all of you have failed at the new part right?

You give SE too much credit for being logical. You need to understand they are changing him for a reason. The reason being they were high when they made the monsters.
 
Every idea hasn't been tried. I mentioned that earlier, it isn't possible to try every possible combination of 2hr orders, timings, jobs, weapons, spells, etc.

There needs to be some basis for a theory to be tried though, just the fact that noone has tried 14 people (including any possible combination of jobs) specific 2hring at exactly the same time doesn't make it a valid theory.

The combinations that appeared to be used in the SE video have been extensively tested, and to date have had no effect on AV whatsoever. Suggesting new combinations (out af a possible set of infinite combinations) simply because they haven't been tried before doesn't get anyone any closer to defeating it (which is pretty much why its been abandoned for the moment).
 
Tyrath said:
You realize so far all of you have failed at the new part right?

You give SE too much credit for being logical. You need to understand they are changing him for a reason. The reason being they were high when they made the monsters.
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Couldn't be the bad pres that PW got could it? Before that, SE was adamant about keeping AV a challenge.

And to be perfectly honest... have I stated or mentioned my current idea? Yes I have abbandoned what I originally posted as a valid method. So seriously get you head out your ass, I am very well educated with AV (Forums, Announcements, Videos [both the 4 SE videos and player based]) and learning more with the time i spend on AV physically ingame. I am not being an ass calling the mass "Oh well I figured it out and you're all fucking stupid" because I haven't figured it out quite yet and when I do it will be formal and informative.

Yes I want to do this and noone will stop me. I have all the support I need with United members and Linkshells who assist in popping an AV for me to test on. As I see it, it ~must~ be a joint effort for everyone to accomplish this goal regardless of new update.

As far as the update is concerned, if you read clearly, they said WITH decisive planning. YOU STILL have to fight your hardest and use your mind to combat against these monsters. YOU still are the one up against the wall until you reach for the hope to kill these monsters.
 
I say, good on you Moink for putting up with bullshit.

To everyone, let him try it out. If he's disproven, you can all give him a big "I told you so". Until then, I think he's putting considerable effort into this, and frankly, should be left alone. Naysaying doesn't do anyone good.
 
Did you figure out why it killed you after raising your friend?
 
Also, virtue stones cannot be thrown. (In response to some idea a few posts back)
 
Dowzer said:
Did you figure out why it killed you after raising your friend?
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No, It baffles me to the most of most.

Here's what happened from that night:


My friend's shell was killing JoL, and United was killing omega and Im in nyzul isle.

Once Nyzul isle is over. I come down and JoL was at 75%, trying to gather as many friends and people I can. Unfortunately United and most of their members were near killing/farming omega.

JoL dies
AV pops (for me, I asked several people if he pops aggressively like a Despot and they didn't know, fortunately now i know he pops aggressively to the party that killed JoL).

AV runs them over which was expected, not even I was trying to win on him. But at some point he did a 2hr (I think Call Wyvern) because I don't remember seeing the wyverns, nor did I pay attention to it.

I noobishly told my pld to pull AV and to tank him as best he can. This blew up in my face more then I had hoped. One PLD/NIN cant hold AV while two WHM heal him. I see why RDM/NIN were Assisting the PLDs in the Video.

AV kills me... I get back up and Had just realised there were wyverns out... I benediction (not following my idea at all) and nothing happened, my 2hr remained with a 2hr timer. (I assume this was because he didnt use a 2hr at the time I did.) The other Aerns agro and evrything just kills my party.

I get up and AV remains unaggressed.

a united member puts burn on av and (this is new to me) Kills the united member, but AV also went after everyone else who was in the alliance and within hate range.

I get up once more, I give up that night and felt obligated to help raise members that killed JoL and let them go while AV is up. I go to my friend 1st and I saw someone pull AV (This wasnt in my alliance, was another person outside it) so I stopped my raise. I get back up and cast R3 again and this time AV is chillen right next to me while i'm casting.

Moink casts R3 on said person
AV uses chainspell
AV uses Tornado 2
Moink is defeated by AV

AV returns to be unaggressed

This all happened within a split second as raise 3 went off.
After that I got back up and stood still casting other spells by AV and he did nothing... it baffles me Why R3 would aggrivate AV and nothing else would.

Note: I did no other R3 until AV depopped.
 
Maybe he's aggressive, but aggros to magic, like an elemental?

o.o;

either way, very unexpected...

Edit:

didnt read the last line as slowly as I should've.

Damn, that IS wierd
 
Urat said:
Maybe he's aggressive, but aggros to magic, like an elemental?

o.o;

either way, very unexpected...

Edit:

didnt read the last line as slowly as I should've.

Damn, that IS wierd
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To clearify it a bit more,

If he was gonna aggro me cus it was magic, he wouldve aggrod me ~while~ it was being cast, not when it was finished.
 
I don't know why it did that. It doesn't really add up.

Also a shame you didn't cast it anymore afterwards...

When AV was right next to you, was it idle? If so, that is extremely weird, to the point of disbelief.
 
I wish I had the Screen shot for it but I was on xbox.

And yes, he was idle.

I did cast raise, but nothing happened so idk why R3 was so different.
 
AV doesn't pop aggressive.

Nor does it agro magic.

I know this due to first hand exposure. AV will, and only will, agro anyone upon pop only if someone is resting at the time, if everyone in the kill alliance is up and not resting upon the ToD, AV will not agro you.
 
Tymon said:
AV doesn't pop aggressive.

Nor does it agro magic.

I know this due to first hand exposure. AV will, and only will, agro anyone upon pop only if someone is resting at the time, if everyone in the kill alliance is up and not resting upon the ToD, AV will not agro you.
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Tell that to the Tornado 2 i got to my ass for doing nothing o AV but a R3

I KNOW he isn't suppose tto magic aggro and he didnt magic aggro, he was calm and collective when R3 was BEING cast. He only killed me when the spell went OFF. You can't give me the 1st hand experience mumbo humbo when i'm the one who personally ate the Tornado 2.
 
That's alliance hate though.

Go into a campaign battle, but don't put tags on. Raise someone that was fighting an enemy, and you'll probably be hit by the AoE of said enemy. Why? you're on the hate list.

That thrown aside, there are very very rare circumstances in which enemies can and have aggroed for no real reason.

There's a single Kindred Summoner in Uleguerand Range, for example, that is true sight. About 5% of the time, it agros people, even all the way across the zone, for no apparent reason. There was a thread on BG about it.

It's just fucked up mechanics and you were either an unfortunate victim, or it was the scenario described in my first paragraph.
 
Tymon said:
That's alliance hate though.

Go into a campaign battle, but don't put tags on. Raise someone that was fighting an enemy, and you'll probably be hit by the AoE of said enemy. Why? you're on the hate list.

That thrown aside, there are very very rare circumstances in which enemies can and have aggroed for no real reason.

There's a single Kindred Summoner in Uleguerand Range, for example, that is true sight. About 5% of the time, it agros people, even all the way across the zone, for no apparent reason. There was a thread on BG about it.

It's just fucked up mechanics and you were either an unfortunate victim, or it was the scenario described in my first paragraph.
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Unfortunate would be the point, I clearly state AV was unaggressed at the time I rose this person. As in noone from either alliance touched him at that time.

I would like to try and duplicate the problem if i can, but it seems most of the times im on, noone is in sea D: lol
 
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Moink said:
Unfortunate would be the point, I clearly state AV was unaggressed at the time I rose this person. As in noone from either alliance touched him at that time.
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Was the guy you raised in the alliance that AV had just killed? Probably some glitch related to him having just finished them off or something ;|
 
Tyrath said:
Was the guy you raised in the alliance that AV had just killed? Probably some glitch related to him having just finished them off or something ;|
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Yea he was, and thats my thoughts on how and why that occured, although I assumed that emnity gets zerod out when you die, not after. idk... just found it odd
 
Moink said:
Yea he was, and thats my thoughts on how and why that occured, although I assumed that emnity gets zerod out when you die, not after. idk... just found it odd
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It could actually be very possible that your enmity is erased when you get back up again. I'm not sure about that. But that could be why :P
 
Isn't your enmity only wiped if you die -while the mob is targeting you-? Otherwise it remains? Sort of how logging out/zoning doesn't quite work the way some people think?
 
Langly said:
Isn't your enmity only wiped if you die -while the mob is targeting you-? Otherwise it remains? Sort of how logging out/zoning doesn't quite work the way some people think?
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If that was the case then wouldn't it have gone after him as well? Who I raised was on PLD so the amount of emnity could have to do with it, Alll I know is it didnt go after him, it went after me.
 
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