Things everyone who plays x job "needs"

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ThisIsHamburgler

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I've been thinking a lot about this... and I dont really think I'm being unreasonable when I say that some items are just too expensive for the casual player to afford.

By casual player, I mean someone who maybe plays an hour or two a day if they are lucky (maybe more if leveling).

Now that that is out of the way, let me explain why I brought this up. I recently started leveling WHM again so that when I can level BLM I'll have a leveled sub. Well, I'm getting close to the level which Erase becomes available and it costs more than double the maximum amount of gil I've ever had, and thats when I was a pretty hard core player. And please dont start the whole "OMG GIL IS SO EASY TO GET!!!!" because it isnt for someone who has maybe two hours to play, especially since gil making secrets are guarded so well.

My point is that I will not be buying Erase for two reasons: 1. I dont have the gil, or the time to make the gil. 2. I wont be leveling WHM past 37, at least not for a long time.

While I do see erase as a good spell to have, I dont see it as being absolutely neccessary. I also am prepared to be up front with anyone who invites me to a party about not having this spell.

I do predict that at some point I will be called a "bad player" for not having this 450k spell. I also predict that I will have to remind them that I play this game for my own enjoyment, not theirs, so if they want me to spend 450k on this spell they can shove it, or buy it for me if I truely do "need" it.


Oh well, anyone else have an "necessary" item stories to share? I'd like to hear them.

Anyone wanna tell me I'm hurting the game by not conforming to standards that are impossible for me to meet? I'll tell you to shove it also :wink:


-Ham :shock:
 
I dont think that any white mage really NEEDS this spell to be successful, though it is EXTREMELY nice to have at times. While fighting spiders in QC who cast slow.. having erase is like a godsend.

I had linkshell members who were nice enough to offer to do bcnm with me and give me erase if it dropped so long as they could have everything else. it didn't go through like that - a friend of mine got me the spell (which I am halfway done paying him back for), he was nice enough to lend me the money.

Hamburgler, you definately dont need erase if you're only taking WHM up to about 37. It won't be worth it to you. Buy yourself a nice rolanberry pie instead. ^^
 
I keep putting off working up the money for it. I have all the other...er...corrective spells (stona, blindna, curna, yadda) except for Viruna, having never ever encountered a need for it. And....Erase sounds cool, sure....but I don't think it's worth 450k. That's ridiculous. The next time I do bcnm 40, I'll do my best to snap it up if it drops, but Erase, and now most recently Raise III, have jumped out of the league of your average player, and it's stupid.
 
ERASE rocks!!!!!!!
Spent way too much time in Gusgen just to get it too. Say around 2 weeks. Back then it was 310k for me. This spell is a luxery for some, a necessity for others. As long as you have everything else, you should be fine. But expect some negativity when you have to offer that info.
 
I'm pretty certain blm don't "need" erase as you describe it, I have it... and trust me it's -not- worth getting if the price of the scroll is a bank breaker, even if it's alot but affordable it may not be worth it. (From a BLM point of view.. ) Erase should be a spell I'd lump together with all the ancient spells, you should -only- get it if you have good equipment, all the elemental staves, and -know- you can support yourself and new equipment/spells in the future without much trouble.

In an exp pt.. or any situation at all I don't think me having erase made any large difference at all. Only one pt has ever asked me if I had erase, and the fact they asked me means that it was not expected (when was the last time someone asked you if you had a darkstaff?) that every or even most blms would have it.

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Now, that is erase for a blm, erase for a whm however should be bought if you want to go up against mobs where it's needed (things that have slow not curable by haste, or very strong bio/dia and other odd bad stuff). However if you stick along normal exp routines and don't get invloved in to many missions and such with a few exeptions you can probably get by without it.


*Disclaimer: I speak from a lvl65 blm's point of view, I do not know what exp mobs there are in the future, or maybe even alternative exp spots.
 
Panda said:
I dont think that any white mage really NEEDS this spell to be successful, though it is EXTREMELY nice to have at times. While fighting spiders in QC who cast slow.. having erase is like a godsend.

I had linkshell members who were nice enough to offer to do bcnm with me and give me erase if it dropped so long as they could have everything else. it didn't go through like that - a friend of mine got me the spell (which I am halfway done paying him back for), he was nice enough to lend me the money.

Hamburgler, you definately dont need erase if you're only taking WHM up to about 37. It won't be worth it to you. Buy yourself a nice rolanberry pie instead. ^^
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mmmm pie...

-Ham :drool:
 
As I understand both sides of this argument I have to give my own Bias oppinion...

There is no substitute for good gear. I HATE leveling with a Passion. And if any one person in our group is gimp in any way it really affects every one. No tenough accuracy gear means I have no skillchain partner. No erase fighting crabs means I might hit zeros, or waste a lot of MP gettign Bio'd to death. Not having the Earth spells when your Skillchain is Earth based means no damage. No MP gear on your mage means longer downtime. No Dark/Puto Staff means Even more downtime..

We are all given abilities, and with those abilities come ways to be more efficient. If you can't keep up with my TP and we are doing Skillchains every other fight, you are doing the following:
-You are not hitting the mob enough, thus not doing enough damage.
-You are delaying the Skillchain.
-You are delaying the Magic Burst.
-You are making Fights last way too long.
-You are wasting MP on all mages trying to keep the group healed, the mages refreshed, the monster debuffed, and the nukes that become necisarry.

And the same could be said for any class really. If you want to skimp out on things, that's your choice. You might not ever suffer from it. But everyone you party with will.
 
I don't know if this helps, but my BF got erase twice off of that oppo BCNM 40...I believe w/ a whm, pally and thf. If you ever have the chance to check it out - you might get lucky...
 
You don't really need it as a BLM. I would say you need it as a RDM, WHM and SMN. Erase can be handle sometimes, especially when you find the rare 64+ WHM who never got it...

But just to point out, just for the sake of actually leveling 32>37 on your WHM, only erase can wipe off crawler's slow as you don't get haste until 40. So it really depends if you want to just say low level jobs aren't important and you'll slack off.
 
When I lvl'd WHM to 37 (for sub), I didn't have the ability at the time to get Erase... hah, like I do now. At that, I don't remember every having to need it. However, when it did come time that I would be getting from the WHM sub, I took the time to get it. While I won't go so far as to say that a BLM needs Erase, it is really nice to have. In your 60's, you'll be fighting mobs like gobs in Bibiki that can toss out stuff like Bio III, which has an amazing drain effect. Erase really helps when your WHM or whatever is too busy with something else. Dead tank = dead BLM. And then there are other examples; attack down from crabs, defense down from efts, and even that occasional elemental strong enough to stick a status effect, amoung other things.

What it really comes down to is if your WHM has the time and ability to cast it, and that varies from group to group. Whether you get it or not is up to you, but I figured out a long time ago that every spell you don't have puts that other BLM one step ahead of you.
 
Just my 2 gil, but I never had a problem with the WHMs who didn't have Erase until level 50 or so. Crawler Slow is the only thing you really need Erase for before then, and it's really not that horrible a thing if the PT has the sense to stay out from behind the tank.

However, should be noted that I never had a NIN tank for those levels (32-45), because Altana knows how much NIN's need to be moving as fast as possible so they can keep blinking.

When you get to the point in BLM where you can use Erase, go get the spell, you'll need it. But until then, it's really just a luxery.
 
Mai Ikari said:
However, should be noted that I never had a NIN tank for those levels (32-45), because Altana knows how much NIN's need to be moving as fast as possible so they can keep blinking.
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I went through Crawler's Nest as a NIN about a week ago.
And boy did lvl 36-40 suck....
Every time a NIN is slowed, their recast timers are raised drastically...
Which means you will get pwned by the crawlers if you are unable to evade most of their attacks.
It gets better at lvl 40 when the WHMs get haste.
Now if they could only learn how to keep haste on the NIN tank....
 
although you can certainly get away with not having it for now, by the time your blm is 64 you should get it for sure. that is all '-'
 
As a BLM subbing WHM erase is not worth buying, you will probaly not even need it until you start doing crabs or spiders. That being said if you are a wHM it is mandatory. End of story no discussion.
 
I agree direwolf, but i am really forgiving when it is someones first job '-'. If they don't have it pre 40 i can understand. After that time they should be able to earn enough gil through BCNM, or find a nice group who will give it to them, and have it.
 
Its really hard for a new player on their first job to afford anything in our current server economy. All the players levelling their 2nd, 3rd, 4th jobs are able to pay for these things because they have LS's that are dominating HNM and God drops that are causing inflation. This and there is way too many of these things (erase, scorp harness, verm cloak etc etc) being bought thus price keeps going up as people take advantage of the economy.
 
I'd say that as a BLM, it's not absolutely necessary. As a WHM, you should definitely have it by early 40s, but as a BLM it's not exactly worth the heavy price tag unless you're one of those people like me who absolutely has to have the best stuff you can (and even I waited til my early 30s for Winged Boots and 45 for my Emperor Hairpin :lol: ).
 
Im not buying erase......
it really is unneeded.
Put erase in my hands....
and i will go and sell it.

There is ALWAYS someone else with erase around.

but you see, my blm is already 75, so i guess thats all the more to my arguments.

I do not care to have EVERY spell in the game. I dont got Flare either. Flare is way useless. Most blms learn that ancient magic on a skillchain gets bland at about level 56ish or so, and Distortions are ever so popular.
Im also missing aeroga1 blizzaga1 firaga1 thundaga1 stonega2. Poisonga and Diaga might be good to have for saving someone thats being massively trained, being fast spells and all, but i dont got those.


as for equips and spells "needed" PER job.... imho.....
sam - ochiodo's kote
nin and theif - emps hairpin, leapy boots
drk - snipers? vassago's scyth
smn - austere??
whm - erase
blm - elem staves i guess ppl would say, but i didnt care much
rdm - dispel
pld - cant say i've seen 2 ever dressed the same, i dont know... AF???
brd and bst - monster signa
mnk - brown belt
drg - ..... i really dont know ......
rng - othinus' crossbow (rare/ex) and/or eurotys bow

of course its early in the morning and im still woozy, correct me if im wrong anywhere. Dont even know if i named all the jobs
 
Drewtaru said:
I dont got Flare either. Flare is way useless.
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How else are you going to defend yourself from those tough rabbits in Ronfaure?
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