This board needs an Admin.

[asiamise]

And Asiamise, i know you are smarter than others, as there are others smarter than you, and you don't see them running around acting as though they are better than anyone. Being a flameboard i can easily say, shut your hole and stand down from requesting power in this place.

You obviously do not understand my intent, and are incapable of approaching this issue with even a thread of social grace.
I want the Flameboard to remain just that, the Flameboard. Not a place for some of the boards simple minded to leave racist etc. etc. posts that have nothing to do with the game (check the post about the "sick video" http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=13069).

Acting better than anyone? How does my willingness to sweep the dust off the floor around here make me "running around acting as though I'm better"? I suggest you read back a little, and then honestly come back and say that I'm looking for power.
Anyone can be a mod, as a matter of fact, we have people here who mod more than one board. The mod positions were open many times before, So I certainly had my chance in the past to be one. I'm merely offering my time to assist Pup in an area he quite obviously has no time for.

I guess I'll never understand those that view ambition as a thirst for power, I'ts usually those without ambition that fear power the most, and are the first to abuse it when they have it.

I'm going to "Shut mt hole" now.

 

[asiamise]

my*

 

[Princemercury]

>.< Sorry Ant (And all other Canadians), that comment was only directed to the person I was replying to, not to any other Canadians.

-Sorry.

 

[Pascal]

You obviously do not understand my intent, and are incapable of approaching this issue with even a thread of social grace.
I want the Flameboard to remain just that, the Flameboard. Not a place for some of the boards simple minded to leave racist etc. etc. posts that have nothing to do with the game (check the post about the "sick video" http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=13069).

That thread is posted in the correct place. The flame board is not just for game related flaming. It is for any kind of post that has a debate, argument, or insulting nature to it, which help keep people from getting into fights on the other boards. While that thread may have no content value to you, it did to other people, which is why it got so many posts.

While I agree there are threads on the flame board which have absolutely no content value, it is impossible to write a rule, which defines what has value and what does not. Much the same as it is impossible to define what art is and what porn is. Since you would be unable to write a clear defining rule for what is allowed to be posted and what is not, we have a void of any kind of guidance, and are left to the moderator’s whim. The moderator them selves could not moderate fairly simple because, you may read one persons thread and decide it had value, while someone who posts about the same thing but with less faience would be consider not having value.

For me personally the threads about this person buys gil or that person helped a gil seller have no content value, but rather than lobby to have them deleted, I simple don’t read them or take part in them. This is why moderation or rules should be keep to a minimum on a flame board.

 

[xKronox]

It's the people's freedom to post what ever racsists garbage, and other bullshit they wish, and I stand strongly about that. However I do not support it, and they will be flamed accordingly.

I think that the rules that are now should never be changed and or there should never be any new rules to be added.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=2 These are the rules that have been posted by Sculli. I don't belive in banning people by request who do not break these rules. Such as roofie, he posted stupid rascist bullshit, same with Colbwa's dumbass. It was wrong to ban them, if you don't like there posts and don't want to support it, don't read or reply to them.

It's like a Boxing Match, there a few ground rules. Other than that is no holding back, if you don't like your oponent, you can't cry to the ref to have him disqualified, however if he breaks the set rules, then he will be.

In our case the ref is simply that post that Sculli made so long ago. And our oponents is each other. There is no need for anyone to enforce anything now. Trying to get an admin on the flameboards is just an excuse for certain people to get there way, witch is not fair.

This community should be free to post anything they wish, aslong as it does not break the certain rules. If it is racial garbage and other bullshit, they WILL be flamed because of it.

 

[Pascal]

Racism
a form of discrimination based on race

discrimination
One form of behavior that shows prejudice, but not the only form. Discrimination is the failure to treat people in the same way because of a bias toward some of them because of some characteristic--such as race, religion, sex, national origin, sexual orientation, disability--which is irrelevant to their suitability for something

prejudice
A judgment or opinion formed before the facts are known. In most cases, these opinions are founded on suspicion, intolerance, and the irrational hatred of other races, religions, creeds, or nationalities.

On the subject of racism or discrimination, if I was to make the comment “All Americans are lazy”, some people would view that and consider it discrimination, while others would read it and simply consider it a broad generalization. By definition it is a form of discrimination, but based on the context around it, the intent may not have been. The same is true when referring to race.

An example of this there is a thread by Chapl, in which he makes the comment that he prefers to hang out with his Mexican friends. He was flamed for this because it was viewed as racists, and by definition was so, but it was not Chapl’s intent to be racists. He was using race as a distinguishing factor to point out that a certain group of people had more in common with him, than another group. Should he be banned for his comment?

While we would all agree “fuck all japs” is a racist comment, and its intent is to be racists, can you make a clearly defining rule to separate Chapl’s comment from Roofies comment. While it would be easy to say “Any comment that’s context that is intended to be racists” would be consider a racist comment, not everyone will view the same comment in the same context, as pointed out in my example.

 

[asiamise]

Thank you Pascal and Krono ^^ now thats what I'm talking about, intelligent point / counter point conversation <3

Although in the case of Roofie and Colbwa's banning, well, when freedom is allowed to go too far, chaos will eventually ensue. Even in the most free of societies there must be order. I respect your views more than you know Krono, because you present them intelligently and with confidence, but in the case of banning we will always disagree

I just wish more people would chime in and properly put these racist, out of place, childish etc. posters in their place instead of fueling the attention they crave with 10+ pages of sometimes equally moronic responses.
Pascal, I think that racist post has no place here in the Flameboard, and should have gone into "Reality sinks in". I may have a skewed view of what the Flameboard should contain conversation wise I guess. On the topic of Flameboard content and what belongs and what does not, this we probably agree to disagree
I also respect your views because you are one of our more "learned" posters and always have had well written, well informed constructive ideas, thoughts and answers to many things here on QCDN.

Ok, so maybe this board does not need a mod per se, but I will say this, not just the Flameboard but all of QCDN needs someone who will be here to oversee it. No offense Pupusa, you are a great guy, and our convos have always been pleasant, but you simply don't have the time needed to attend to things here.
Far too often it takes days and even weeks to see even the smallest of things accomplished. We even have people who have been banned from QCDN freely returning and gloating about it. Nothing against Pup or the system in place, but it does need to be maintained regularly.

 

[Anttaru]

You obviously do not understand my intent, and are incapable of approaching this issue with even a thread of social grace.

Well this is the Flameboard, so it's legit to mark my abilities from your visions.

I want the Flameboard to remain just that, the Flameboard. Not a place for some of the boards simple minded to leave racist etc. etc. posts that have nothing to do with the game

Like i had mentioned the Flameboard has kept the forum clean. And when a board has to accommodate several minds, it helps when there is a working system to deal with the very sewage that deflects the makers community goals. The Flameboard is a cold place, and it can show us all a very overwhelming post. This is the way of freedom and choice, changing it will obstruct how well the "simple minded" obey the rules.

Acting better than anyone? How does my willingness to sweep the dust off the floor around here make me "running around acting as though I'm better"? I suggest you read back a little, and then honestly come back and say that I'm looking for power.

Your willingness to sweep the dust off the floor i'm sure is not driven by bad intention. Locking off ignorant or racists characters from the flameboard (a.k.a. inforcer of clean forums) dosn't teach them anything, and would only make their case worse. In life itself not everyone has a good I.Q. and it is over populated out there, but it's ok for all of us to be here.

"I have read over your post like you suggested. Don't take it critical when i say you want power here, cause your requesting the ability to enforce the flameboard."

Anyone can be a mod, as a matter of fact, we have people here who mod more than one board. The mod positions were open many times before, So I certainly had my chance in the past to be one. I'm merely offering my time to assist Pup in an area he quite obviously has no time for.

I cannot speak for him, but i do know he has removed individuals upon vast request, to keep a fairly large group or regulars happy. At the same time you cannot blame him for not letting local users moderate the flameboard so easily. I'm not saying he hasn't by the way.

I guess I'll never understand those that view ambition as a thirst for power, I'ts usually those without ambition that fear power the most, and are the first to abuse it when they have it.

They haven't anything to do with what we are talking about.

-People that view ambition as power don't understand the meaning of the word ambition.

-Those without ambition/goals arn't seeking anything more in life, and in many cases don't care enough to be afraid of anything. Like would Buddah destroy anything or anyone without a cause ?

I'm going to "Shut mt hole" now.

When i said shut your hole, i only said that in reference to this being a flameboard. I'm sorry, i never meant for you to take it personal and remind me what i have said. I myself am not happy with most of what happens in the flameboard, all the hate and also how it can be used as a tool for hurting innocent victims. But in all honestly it is one thing that makes qcdn the qcdn'ers choice of all other forms, and even the ones that got banned and the most obserd flamers all stuck to the golden rule of keeping flames where they belong on the most part.

As for banned people returning to QCDN to vent about how they are treated, i don't see it as a big deal if they have to come here and say "Hey it's me, so and so" Usually that makes for a less boring read.

 

[asiamise]

At least this thread has opened up some constructive conversation. ^^

Thank you for clarifying your words Ant, although there really is no way to explain "Shut your hole" than the already obvious, nice try though.

I will reply no more on this thread, If Pup needs help, I'm there for him.
If not, no love lost.

I do thank you all for your input, good or bad, it brought all sides of the issue out. Aside from Princemercury's addition, which was just utter drivel.

 

[xKronox]

Thank you Pascal and Krono ^^ now thats what I'm talking about, intelligent point / counter point conversation <3

Although in the case of Roofie and Colbwa's banning, well, when freedom is allowed to go too far, chaos will eventually ensue. Even in the most free of societies there must be order. I respect your views more than you know Krono, because you present them intelligently and with confidence, but in the case of banning we will always disagree

I just wish more people would chime in and properly put these racist, out of place, childish etc. posters in their place instead of fueling the attention they crave with 10+ pages of sometimes equally moronic responses.
Pascal, I think that racist post has no place here in the Flameboard, and should have gone into "Reality sinks in". I may have a skewed view of what the Flameboard should contain conversation wise I guess. On the topic of Flameboard content and what belongs and what does not, this we probably agree to disagree
I also respect your views because you are one of our more "learned" posters and always have had well written, well informed constructive ideas, thoughts and answers to many things here on QCDN.

Ok, so maybe this board does not need a mod per se, but I will say this, not just the Flameboard but all of QCDN needs someone who will be here to oversee it. No offense Pupusa, you are a great guy, and our convos have always been pleasant, but you simply don't have the time needed to attend to things here.
Far too often it takes days and even weeks to see even the smallest of things accomplished. We even have people who have been banned from QCDN freely returning and gloating about it. Nothing against Pup or the system in place, but it does need to be maintained regularly.

Don't get me wrong I would not complain one bit if QCDN.org was cleaned up a bit. Let me suggest a few new additions to the system?

1. Create a sticky post for server DC, so people will post in there only, and if they create posts outside of this sticky, they should be given warnings accordingly.

2. Create a sticky post in Flameboard about a mainstream topic. E.G: Gilsellers, Gilbuyers(Or just RMT in general.), and/or a new sticky named like "Who I don't like"(People will post within what happened about this person, and people will dicuss within)

3. If a post remains untouch for a while.(2 weeks no posts), then if there is a way to permetly remove them from the board. This will prevent necroposting, and will give our site and new "Shaven" look.

4. Flames towards race, creed, relgion, country, etc. should not be tolerated and will be given 3 warnings, after the 3rd warning a IP removal will take place. In no time should these things come up in a flame unless used souly as a indriect object instead of the subject.

5. This one is intresting I just came up with. No links in the flameboard. The only time this should be allowed is when using links to other posts within qcdn.org for refrence, and alla profiles in sigs. This will prevent people posting stupid links to videos and pics, possibly porn and other spam.

6. As like #4. There should be no flames about politics, or political events, or politcal wars and disaters such as it is in game. ( I learned this the hardway when I made those horrible remarks about 9/11)

I can probily think of more if I wanted to, these are just some ideas I JUST came up with while posting. They can altered accordingly.

As for choosing someone to be admin, I say we make something like a eletction, anyone can choose to run, and they will say why they think they are best, yadadada, then the people of qcdn.org will vote.


You can now possibly see now why it might not be such a good idea though, becuase flames are based souly on favortism, opinon, and ideas, witch everyone differs. However, there are times, this will be a VERY good idea.

 

[Pascal]

I personally would stop interacting with any of the boards outside of link shell boards, as there would be no content worth reading at that point.

 

[Taurothar]

Holy shit. I... agree... with Krono... Anyway, Krono makes some great points. More suggestions:

1. A sticky for /farewell threads.
2. A sticky/forum for FFXI gone WoW players who feel the need to come around and post about their new game and for those who want to learn more about WoW from former FFXI players.

 

[Taurothar]

Btw, I know for a fact that there is an Auto-cleanup feature, I had to turn it off on the forum I just created today. You can set how many days to wait before deletion and such, I'd say at least a month. Just a little FYI.

 

[Rinoah]

I dont think racism is good...but it kinda is an opinion and it is also sorta what the flameboard is designed for...besides...without racists remarks chances are shiza and colbwa would be long gone...then who would we hate and shout at alot?

But seriously...if you are going to stop people writing stuff in the flameboards...then they are just like the other boards except you might get away with saying "i dont like you" and should that happen then the flameboards will no longer be worth reading.

 

[Pascal]

1. Create a sticky post for server DC, so people will post in there only, and if they create posts outside of this sticky, they should be given warnings accordingly.

They really don’t need to be on the flame board to begin with.

2. Create a sticky post in Flameboard about a mainstream topic. E.G: Gilsellers, Gilbuyers(Or just RMT in general.), and/or a new sticky named like "Who I don't like"(People will post within what happened about this person, and people will dicuss within)

This threads are general the ones that causes the most problems, because it never fails on the topics of Gil Sellers, race/nationality comes up (See Rule 4). On the topic of Gil Buying, every single one I have read thus far is pointless as they offer no proof of anything, and general is just a bashing contest between two people who don’t like each other. While the threads are posted in the correct place, they in my opinion have no content value.

3. If a post remains untouch for a while.(2 weeks no posts), then if there is a way to permetly remove them from the board. This will prevent necroposting, and will give our site and new "Shaven" look.

The board can already do that, it just needs enabled, but see my comment about rule 5 and it really needs to be for several months, before they are deleted.

4. Flames towards race, creed, relgion, country, etc. should not be tolerated and will be given 3 warnings, after the 3rd warning a IP removal will take place. In no time should these things come up in a flame unless used souly as a indriect object instead of the subject.

See my previous post. If someone complains about how JP players have an unfair control over NM and HNM, they would violate this rule. It is a matter of how the read takes something to determine if it’s indirect or not.

5. This one is intresting I just came up with. No links in the flameboard. The only time this should be allowed is when using links to other posts within qcdn.org for refrence, and alla profiles in sigs. This will prevent people posting stupid links to videos and pics, possibly porn and other spam.

Be hard to link back to thread that are deleted after 2 weeks. It also prevents back referencing (people changing what they say), which is the same reason why we are not allowed to edit or delete on the flame board. Once something is said, it has been said.

6. As like #4. There should be no flames about politics, or political events, or politcal wars and disaters such as it is in game. ( I learned this the hardway when I made those horrible remarks about 9/11)

The flame board is not just for game related flaming. QCDN is for thoses of us who player together on the same server to have a place to interact with other people. This include things not game related. If all we are allowed to talk about is the game, there really is no point, as we can do that in the game and don’t need a forum for it. I’d also like to point out Sculli created this forum, and created the political thread on the flame board.

As for choosing someone to be admin, I say we make something like a eletction, anyone can choose to run, and they will say why they think they are best, yadadada, then the people of qcdn.org will vote.

You can now possibly see now why it might not be such a good idea though, becuase flames are based souly on favortism, opinon, and ideas, witch everyone differs. However, there are times, this will be a VERY good idea.

Who ever is elected will more than likely be a regular on this board that we all know. The problem there is almost any action they take; someone will be able to say they are showing some kind of favoritism.

 

[Pascal]

My apologies for some of the horrible type-o’s in that post.

 

[Xelos]

2. A sticky/forum for FFXI gone WoW players who feel the need to come around and post about their new game and for those who want to learn more about WoW from former FFXI players.

They already made one called "Off Topic". However, I believe they should enforce the rule that WoW be discussed in that forum, and I still feel bad for offending you and all the others in that recent WoW thread.....

 

[Taurothar]

2. A sticky/forum for FFXI gone WoW players who feel the need to come around and post about their new game and for those who want to learn more about WoW from former FFXI players.

They already made one called "Off Topic". However, I believe they should enforce the rule that WoW be discussed in that forum, and I still feel bad for offending you and all the others in that recent WoW thread.....

Off-topic is a general non-ffxi board but people don't seem to realize that and post in general discussion about things that don't need to be there. If there was a place FOR the posts, people would take better notice and post there.

 

[Firestreak]

I used to be against something like this, but lately it seems like 4-5 people are just spamming the flameboards with useless crap to try to be as annoying as humanly possible. People are unable to ignore these people and every thread turns into an argument with them. It makes the board, very, very bad. It makes Allakazham with their stupid rating system seem good. Overall this board has decreased quality greatly over the last few months. If you could just get the people who spam and flood out that'd be useful.
"It's the flameboard," so I can say anything does not work. This isn't supposed to be the "mindless bored so annoy as many people as possible" board. And I disagree that this board is supposed to be for all flames. It's supposed to be for game-related flames.

 

[Skaw]

After all the retarded posts lately, more push for this please.