This is perhaps the last chance for "Discussion"

[Skaw]

Fixed it for you.

Windower makes it easy for you to put a flee tool in your game and just because you don't utilize every aspect of the windower it still gives you an unfair advantage to those on a PS2, which by the definition that Mokk gave, is cheating. Cheers!

PS2 gives an unfair advantage because it doesn't lock down a device built to perform multiple tasks at once.

Saying Windower, the basic function, gives an unfair advantage by allowing someone to use thier PC to browse the web, but claiming that playing the PS2 and having a PC/laptop near by to do the same thing isn't an unfair advantage is such hypocrisy.

And you act like you can't turn off the stock TP feature, or flat out remove it. Please, shut the fuck up.

 

[Skaw]

woopsie, double post.

 

[Shaunessy]

PC is a multi tasking machine PS2 is not, to force your PC to use 10% of what it can do is just silly. Im not gonna log for 1 min just to check my E-Mail or if I wanna listen to music I am going to and like everyone else has said... You don't need windower to run a flee tool.

Go cry a river else where windower is not a cheat don't hate cause you can't afford a top end PC and have to play on lolPS2.

AHH HAHAHAHAHA! Dumb ass. Look at my avatar and sig. I run 2 EVGA 7800 GTX video cards, 3.6 Pentium IV, 2 gigs of RAM, Raptor HDD and some other shit that if I really cared about what you said would I would open up my New egg account and give you the model numbers of my self made gaming rig. Fuck Alienware, any true nerd can do it better for less money. So keep on thinking what ever you think, I'm going to play BF2 now. My name is Schalac and my Xfire is Shaunessy. Come onto the EF servers if you want to get owned.

 

[Shaunessy]

PS2 gives an unfair advantage because it doesn't lock down a device built to perform multiple tasks at once.

Saying Windower, the basic function, gives an unfair advantage by allowing someone to use thier PC to browse the web, but claiming that playing the PS2 and having a PC/laptop near by to do the same thing isn't an unfair advantage is such hypocrisy.

And you act like you can't turn off the stock TP feature, or flat out remove it. Please, shut the fuck up.

How many people do though? Hell the only reason I played on PS2 was because of my PC crapping out. Plus the fact that PS2 is great for armchair gaming. but now that I have a Logitech Dual Action and 2 PS2s able to run FFXI, I can form 1/2 a party by myself. Which I tried once and was actually rather easy from levels 1-10, but I just don't have enough hands to do it past that. I can and do play 2 toons at the same time in some parties, and macros are the shit for that. Just don't tell a GM on me though..thanks..

 

[Authrom]

AHH HAHAHAHAHA! Dumb ass. Look at my avatar and sig. I run 2 EVGA 7800 GTX video cards, 3.6 Pentium IV, 2 gigs of RAM, Raptor HDD and some other shit that if I really cared about what you said would I would open up my New egg account and give you the model numbers of my self made gaming rig. Fuck Alienware, any true nerd can do it better for less money. So keep on thinking what ever you think, I'm going to play BF2 now. My name is Schalac and my Xfire is Shaunessy. Come onto the EF servers if you want to get owned.

Sorry but if you knew anything you would know P4s fail for gaming. Good try though buddy.

 

[Trippyhippy]

Fixed it for you.

Windower makes it easy for you to put a flee tool in your game and just because you don't utilize every aspect of the windower it still gives you an unfair advantage to those on a PS2, which by the definition that Mokk gave, is cheating. Cheers!

You didn't fix it for me, you changed it to your point of view. You misquoted me and didn't pay attention to the point I was trying to make.

If you play on PS2, then your computer is free for use to look up whatever you need, if you play on computer, you can't. Playing on ps2, therefor, gives an unfair advantage over playing on Comp, as your comp is still free to use.

if windower did not exist, PS2 users could look things up and get info while playing while comp users could not. That gives them an unfair advantage. Windower changes that.

 

[Tagrineth]

AHH HAHAHAHAHA! Dumb ass. Look at my avatar and sig which show absolutely nothing about my PC in any way shape or form.

I run 2 EVGA 7800 GTX video cards, 3.6 Pentium IV, 2 gigs of RAM, Raptor HDD and some other shit that if I really knew what the fuck I was talking about I would open up my New egg account and give you the model numbers of my self made gaming rig.

Fuck Alienware, anyone who knows a true nerd can have it done better for them for less money. So keep on thinking what ever you think, I'm going to play BF2 now. My name is Schalac and my Xfire is Shaunessy. Come onto the EF servers if you want to own me some more.

Fixed it for you, x3.

Sorry but if you knew anything you would know P4s fail for gaming. Good try though buddy.

Er... no?

 

[Shaunessy]

Sorry but if you knew anything you would know P4s fail for gaming. Good try though buddy.

Again AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Well maybe if you are an AMD fanboy like my friend is then I can see where you are coming from,but believe me, there is no PC game out right now that bogs my system down. Everyonce in awhile I get the goofy shit that plauges every PC game but for the most part Intel is the best processor out. I though about making my system AMD, but then I thought about heat vs. speed issues and Intel is the best on that front. granted my friend gets a constant 95 FPS on good shooter games but running between 85-90 FPS and being able to have more applications running in the background is much better in my eyes. As an example try to run a messenger while playing Dungeon Seige II on an AMD system, then do the same thing on an AMD system. The Intel system performs better in that condition...and that is what I was looking for. So before the flame between processors starts I'll end it and say if you run an AMD system what the hell do you even have a windower for?

 

[Authrom]

Well you see when your waiting for a party ya kinda wanna do other things besides stare at the screen. Also heat can be a issue but I overlock my stuff anyways so I have pretty good cooling. I wasnt bashing your rig but most people will agree for stricly gaming AMD out performs Intel but im not trying to preach to you but anyways to get back on topic.


I came back from a break playing WoW and some and F.E.A.R and crap like that so I dont know exclaty everything. But I downloaded Windower and checked it out all it really does is put your game in a windowed mode so you can do other things. It dont seem bad and I dont see how system performance has anything to do with that unless it provides less strain on a system (not that FFXI puts barely anything on mine anyhow)

 

[gir]

AHH HAHAHAHAHA! Dumb ass. Look at my avatar and sig. I run 2 EVGA 7800 GTX video cards, 3.6 Pentium IV, 2 gigs of RAM, Raptor HDD and some other shit that if I really cared about what you said would I would open up my New egg account and give you the model numbers of my self made gaming rig. Fuck Alienware, any true nerd can do it better for less money. So keep on thinking what ever you think, I'm going to play BF2 now. My name is Schalac and my Xfire is Shaunessy. Come onto the EF servers if you want to get owned.

What does this have to do with anything? Go stroke your e-peen elsewhere Shaunessy.

Where's that damn Banished to Allakhazam pic when you need it?...

 

[Shaunessy]

Jealous much?

 

[Tagrineth]

Jealous much?

You know, I'm getting the impression that I'm on this moron's /ignore list.

Anyway.

Delusions of grandeur {Do you have it?}

 

[Authrom]

Jealous much?

For what? Intel sucks IMHO, the only thing worth mentioning on your system is your 7800's but personally Id choose ATI over nVidia so I dont care bout that. Every system has 2 gigs of ram and im pretty sure my overclocked 3700+ could handle anything your processer could. To conclude what kinda noob gets a rapter and doesnt get another to RAID it. Sorry my friend im not sure if that was directed at me or not but if it was you fail once again..

 

[wolfskymoon]

You all do know that the only reason I mentioned windower in the OP is to keep people from playing a cheapshot and pointing out the easy hypocrisy of catching a fleetooler with a windower screenshot...

...guess I walked right into those 50 posts. Oh well. A few people think windower and fleetooling is in the same category. Most don't. If you do, I'm assuming that you use neither, so I admire that.

Understand that by windower I mean the programming that allows for framed play, and that is it. No plugins. No extras. Just minimize and resize. Unfortunately I can define what I meant since I said it, and in all honesty that's what I meant and what I'll always mean. As such, windower is simply against the terms of use of the product. It has no impact on the game, much like importing or pirating or selling T-shirts with the XI logo on the front without their permission.

Windower and Flee tool are not in the same category.People who think they are the ones who cheat and think two things are similar.Violence is violence but it doesn't mean killing someone is similar to punching him on the face.
In short most games (Like WoW e.t.c) let you exit out of full screen mode and even give option of window mode.But Enix on the other hand failed to realize the need for window mode and didn't allow it.However, how many games out there do u think let you increase ur walking speed? increasing walking speed gives you a huge advantage.. you can kite mobs all day n nite just keep landing poison and refresh on them.You are also 10 times better at claiming stuff.Above all that a guy who uses flee tool also uses the tool which shows them mobs present around em (In most cases) which also is cheating.

 

[Shaunessy]

For what? Intel sucks IMHO, the only thing worth mentioning on your system is your 7800's but personally Id choose ATI over nVidia so I dont care bout that. Every system has 2 gigs of ram and im pretty sure my overclocked 3700+ could handle anything your processer could. To conclude what kinda noob gets a rapter and doesnt get another to RAID it. Sorry my friend im not sure if that was directed at me or not but if it was you fail once again..

Well I was thinking about RAID, but then what if one goes down. I'd lose both of them and what do I nee 150 gigs at 10000 rpm for anyway? I have a 320 gig 7200 rpm HDD that I use for everything else besides gaming. Plus if I'm not playing a game all that much I transfer it over to the bigger drive for storage. I can see where this is going though. You are an AMD/ATI fanboy and I'm an Intel/nVidia fanboy. I have these types of arguments with my buddy about the same thing and it all comes down to if I liked AMD/ATi I would of bought all of that when I built my rig.

 

[Tagrineth]

For what? Intel sucks IMHO, the only thing worth mentioning on your system is your 7800's but personally Id choose ATI over nVidia so I dont care bout that. Every system has 2 gigs of ram and im pretty sure my overclocked 3700+ could handle anything your processer could. To conclude what kinda noob gets a rapter and doesnt get another to RAID it. Sorry my friend im not sure if that was directed at me or not but if it was you fail once again..

I'm not going to get into the intel/amd nvidia/ati debate. I spent years doing it already... so tiresome.

I just want to say this, though.

Referring to an Overclocked processor rated the same as your opponent's - and then saying "could handle anything your processor could" - you're basically saying your Overclocked processor that's supposed to be rated the same, is "just as good". In effect, you are admitting that your own processor is NOT better.

 

[Authrom]

You are right and..now that I think about it im not sure why I was argueing with him about that before.. Anyways ill be the first to stop the fanboy arguements because its not the place and its going no where and for even starting it I am sorry. But I still dont understand what my system specs had to do with running windower anyways. Before I knew about windower I just turned off the music and ran winamp in the back ground.

It doesnt matter what kinda system you have you cant alt tab out of it or at least to my knowledge without the windower program. Which doesnt alt tab anyways but it gives you the room to do other things. IMHO windower doesnt give any unfair advantages. Please dont give me that "I have a PS2 crap"if you can afford a PS2 and you can afford the fee for the game and internet. Than you should have a computer that can get on the internet at least to look things up so...I dont see any "unfair advantage" unless you add in all those programs but I just use it for the windowed mode.

Honestly I dont know how the windower thing got into this discussion because its not doing ANYTHING to anyone elses game experience. Even though it is aganist the T.O.S I dont see why SOE is bitching anyways because the whole reason the full windowed mode would crap out when you alt tabed was in an attempt to stop hacks and bots...which failed.

 

[Genjuro]

A PS2 user could easily input their video to some kind of video input device (tv tuner, 'Snazzy'), thereby playing the game (or any other game) in a window on their desktop. This is functionally the same as running a windower. Just something to note...

 

[GhostinmyShell]

See someone should have asked about UI enhancements at the Fan Festival but no useless shit like do galkas have penises was more important to determine.

Also this was interesting, what was the peak subscribers? 2 mil at one time?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Since they use universal servers there is no downtime in game activity. In addition the game currently has over 500,000 active subscribers making game maintenance a hard job. The company stressed that they hire only highly-qualified people for service jobs.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Mr. Sundi then presented his audience with some statistics on what platforms were being used by which territories as well as server performance. The Japanese audience is about 55% of the entire userbase and play the game on the PS2 in a 2:1 ratio compared against the PC version. North America and European Union make up the remaining 45% and prefer the PC version, with a reversed ratio of 1:2. 1.6 million individual characters are registered in the game with around 200,000 to 300,000 active users daily at 130,000 to 150,000 simultaneous connections. [/SIZE][/FONT]

source: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060324/woodard_01.shtml

 

[Bigboy]

Knowing that it makes sense why SE continues to support the PS2 fully. The PS2 users make up roughly 50% of the players.