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http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/01/27/rare.conditions/index.html

World without pain is hell, parent says

POSTED: 1:53 p.m. EDT, September 28, 2006


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By A. Chris Gajilan
CNN
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(CNN) -- When you first meet 4-year-old Roberto Salazar, you can't help but notice his unwavering smile and constant laughter. By all accounts, he's a very happy boy.
It is only when he rams his head violently into walls or plays a little too roughly with a schoolmate, all the while smiling, that you are reminded that he suffers from an incredibly rare genetic disorder.
Roberto is one of 17 people in the United States with "congenital insensitivity to pain with anhidrosis," referred to as CIPA by the few people who know about it.
Roberto was born in July 2001, becoming Luis' and Juan's little brother. As a newborn, his parents thought he was the perfect baby.
"Roberto was wonderful. He never cried. He would sleep 23 out of 24 hours a day. He never cried to eat, never cried that his diaper is itching," said his mother, Susan Stingley-Salazar.
At 3 months, things abruptly changed. Roberto refused to eat. He was rapidly losing weight. His parents tried desperately to find ways to "force a child to eat that doesn't want to eat," Stingley-Salazar said.
First they tried to feed him with an eyedropper. Then a feeding tube was attached to his stomach at 8 months.
Other abnormalities quickly surfaced. Roberto was severely susceptible to heatstroke on hot summer days. His parents soon noticed he did not sweat.
"You can't carry Roberto because he sucks your heat from your body. You're hot, sweaty. His body can't sweat like yours so he's just absorbing all of your heat," Stingley-Salazar said.
His family was shocked when Roberto started teething. He gnawed on his own tongue, lips and fingers to the point of mutilation.
"If you could imagine when you bite your tongue how bad it hurts. At one point, you couldn't even distinguish that his tongue was his tongue," Stingley-Salazar said.
Stingley-Salazar, a registered nurse with a degree in molecular biology, took Roberto to see more than 60 physicians in the boy's first few years. She researched his symptoms on the Internet every night. She e-mailed any specialist she could find.
She came up with very few answers until she contacted Dr. Felicia Axelrod of the New York University Dysautonomia Treatment and Evaluation Center.
Axelrod has studied this family of "no-pain" diseases for more than 35 years. These genetic disorders affect the autonomic nervous system -- which controls blood pressure, heart rate, sweating, the sensory nerve system and the ability to feel pain and temperature.
Stingley-Salazar's first reaction: "There is somebody out there who actually knows what we've been going through, you know, the hell we've been living for the last two-and-a-half years."
CIPA is the most severe and fatal type of the seven types of hereditary sensory and autonomic neuropathy, or HSAN. Overheating kills more than half of all children with CIPA before age 3, Stingley-Salazar said.
According to Axelrod, levels of pain vary.
"For some children it's a mild degree such as breaking a leg, they'll get up and walk on the leg. They feel that something is uncomfortable but they keep on moving," she said. "For other children, the pain loss is so severe that they can injure themselves repetitively and actually mutilate themselves because they don't know when to stop."
All HSAN disorders are recessive genetic disorders -- both parents have to carry the genetic mutation in order to pass it on to a child. But there is less than a 1-in-4 chance that the child will develop it.
Neither of Roberto's older brothers has the disorder.
A more common HSAN condition is familial dysautonomia, or FD. There are about 500 cases of FD in the United States, Axelrod said.
The first sign of FD is a child's inability to suck properly followed by delayed milestones -- these children walk and speak later.
Often, FD patients endure severely dry eyes because they are unable to produce tears.
Also, part of this sensory disorder is difficulty "telling where they are in space," Axelrod said.
The minor effect is constantly bumping into things. The major effect is that 80 percent of these kids suffer curvature of the spine because they have no concept of posture.
"The hardest thing growing up with FD is that sometimes your balance can be off. Also when you get busy, like when your blood pressure drops, I faint. It's scary for people who don't know what to do," 15-year-old Perry Goldberger said.
Perry was diagnosed when she was 2 weeks old. She, too, suffers from common ailments of HSAN -- she gets liquids through a stomach tube; she can't distinguish between hot and cold; she doesn't feel pain.
Perry has learned to handle her daily medical regimen: During the day she takes nebulizer treatments for her lungs and seven tube feedings. At night she must use an oxygen machine to help her breathe and must place a moisture chamber around her eyes while she sleeps.
"This is my daily schedule that I take every single day. You get used to it after a while," she said.
Her mother, Laurie Goldberger, said her family takes it one day at a time and is teaching Perry a certain level of independence.
"Now at 15, she's gotten very responsible and understands it and she knows she has to take it. So at school she does her own medicine," Goldberger said.
Axelrod points to Perry as an example of the huge strides made in HSAN disorders.
"Forty years ago, a child with FD had a 50 percent probability of reaching the age of 5," she said. "Today, a child born with FD would have a 50 percent probability of reaching the age of 40."
 
Sadly, its not as great as people would think when they first hear about not feeling pain :(

One of my friends must have a very minor version of this, on his face. You can punch him and he barely feels it on his face. If you just touch it he can't even feel it ;/
 
There is a little girl here in Minnesota (i think shes turning 4 this year) who has that. There was a really deep news story on it. They have to make her wear gloves all the time and wear goggles. The gloves so she doesn't scratch herself, and the goggles since she has already scratched out one of her eyes to near blindness.

Its really terrible since she doesn't know what pain is so she doesnt't know what not to do. Where as people who know what pain feels like are jealous out the butt (most of my friends that saw the story at school).
 
It's scary to know you wouldn't feel yourself dieing...
It would just happen..
You would get tired...
Until the point where your dead...

If i was him Id play MMOs for the rest of my life for free.
 
Tyrath said:
Sadly, its not as great as people would think when they first hear about not feeling pain :(

One of my friends must have a very minor version of this, on his face. You can punch him and he barely feels it on his face. If you just touch it he can't even feel it ;/
Yeah, but not feeling pain on your face? Cmon that pwns, I'd be getting into fist fights purposely 24/7.
 
StanDarsh said:
Yeah, but not feeling pain on your face? Cmon that pwns, I'd be getting into fist fights purposely 24/7.

Yeah his condition doesnt seem anywhere near as severe as the person in the story. And it only stops him from feeling a certain amount of force so its probably weak nerves or something. It is kinda nice...to an extent.
 
Shintroy said:
It's scary to know you wouldn't feel yourself dieing...
It would just happen..
You would get tired...
Until the point where your dead...

If i was him Id play MMOs for the rest of my life for free.


Not to argue or anything, but who said death hadto be painful to begin with?
 
Mishaela said:
Not to argue or anything, but who said death hadto be painful to begin with?
The problem is, what if you have your hand on a hot stove, and can't feel it? What if you get into fights all the time since there's "no downside"? (your body still gets beat down, and can fail earlier). Or what of an easily curable illness that kills in 1 week, but starts with an extremely strong pain on the 1st day.
 
I saw something like this on Oprah lol. This little girl couldn't feel any pain, and she kept attacking? I don't know the word for it..mutilate? Poke? Eh...anywhoo she badly damaged her eye to the point she can't see from it.

Also she doesn't get that feeling of having to use the restroom, that sucks :(
 
I was learning about this in Biology. It has to do with the chemicals that carry the nerve impluse between nerves. In the area called the synapse, when a nerve is stimulat----. You probably don't care. Anyway, you can also develope this if your in a terrible accident, its like if you hurt your spine and half your body is numb/paralyzed. Its the same, but its the nerves in your wherever that cannot send the signal to feel pain. My teacher was saying that people loose eyes, because they go to scratch it and ream their finger in there. Terrible disease.
 
So is it like you don't feel anything, pain, touch, sentive (what ever it spell) stuff? but you can move your body like a normal function person?
 
Heh, that would suck. No sex, as that involves feeling <.< Although, would they be able to feel love and hate? I mean, that doesn't really involve senses in that way.
 
Vandoura said:
So is it like you don't feel anything, pain, touch, sentive (what ever it spell) stuff? but you can move your body like a normal function person?

Basically how it is. When you feel physical pain, the area that gets hurt sends the message to your brain, so you know that it hurts. With this disease the message doesn't reach the brain, so while it still does the same physical damage, you don't know it is.

Uzor said:
Heh, that would suck. No sex, as that involves feeling <.< Although, would they be able to feel love and hate? I mean, that doesn't really involve senses in that way.

Since love and hate are emotional/mental pain and this disease only cuts off the physical portion as far as i know.
 
Excalibr said:
I get this condition every time I hit a bong.

Drugs and alcohol can cause a milder version of this affect.

So is it like you don't feel anything, pain, touch, sentive (what ever it spell) stuff? but you can move your body like a normal function person?

The nerves for pain stimulation are different than muscle/sensory/pressure(in some forms: like you know if your foot hits the ground or your holding onto a pencil.) Its really rediculous the science behind it, I'm glad I'm only taking it in highschool and not solely that field. I want to say Codeine(sorry if its the wrong chemical) found in heroine, make the chemicals in your synapses(the gap between neurons) to put it simply, ineffective. Making that neuron useless. A non-functioning neuron = no pain. This disease as far as I can tell is that this disease is a lack there of The Chemicals to make your nerves fire, or the abundance of chemical to tell the nerve not to.
 
Excalibr said:
Lol, that was a joke dude. When you're really baked physical pain hurts slightly less, but yeah, it's really really mild.

I live across from a park, I've tried many times to play on that park after a night of drinking. Every time I catch my foot on the fence surrounding it and faceplant. I never feel it, if I land hard I can feel the bruise in the morning, that's about all.


I would like to find out why things seem to hurt less, or not at all when you don't see them comming. I stub my toe/ hit my head/leg, etc all the time, seeing as I'm a clumsy oaf, if I don't realize it's going to happen then it generally doesn't hurt, but if I were to kick the wall/desk I feel it. I'll have to look into this.
 
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