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[Bigboy]

Sounds like Deci was being pretty fair to Grasinthor, considering he could have just flat out told him "No one cares" in his threads, instead of deleting them. Take a hint: If someone deletes your posts, it is because they were granted the power to do so, and felt it was the proper course of action.

Just sounds like Gras was being really petty, and instead of letting a flame develope in their recruitment boards, he removed his comments. Could have ended much messier had the original posts been allowed to stay in the recruitment thread.

 

[MacMarz]

What happens in fight club stays in fight club.....

Ha ha ha ha... This thread is sooo long and saying very little the whole time.

I think we all take this GAME waaaaaay too seriously at times. It's like the whole LS thing.... BoL has good players and a bad rap sheet but people still flock to em. No one dares say shit about Kaisen for fear of being blackballed from the uberLS... Can't we all just get along? lmao

 

[Sirelrohir]

Sounds like Deci was being pretty fair to Grasinthor, considering he could have just flat out told him "No one cares" in his threads, instead of deleting them. Take a hint: If someone deletes your posts, it is because they were granted the power to do so, and felt it was the proper course of action.

Just sounds like Gras was being really petty, and instead of letting a flame develope in their recruitment boards, he removed his comments. Could have ended much messier had the original posts been allowed to stay in the recruitment thread.

I have to disagree with you. It isnt fair to deletes someones post, just because you do not agree with it. Based on the responces of deci, it seems that is what happened.

 

[Bigboy]

I have to disagree with you. It isnt fair to deletes someones post, just because you do not agree with it. Based on the responces of deci, it seems that is what happened.

Totally fair. In this case it wasn't just disagreeing with the post either, as was already said. Thing is... if I started a flame in the LS recruitment section of QCDN and Nasya deleted my post, it wouldn't matter if it was because she disagreed with me or not. It just doesn't belong there. And if I then proceeded to drag the issue into the general forums and say I'm leaving because I can't follow the rules, and am really pissed off that while disobaying the rules someone stopped me in order to maintain the integrety of the boards. The mod would then have the option to explain how foolish I was being, or just delete the post and make the assumption that I am not retarded and understand that deleting my post means I should stop posting. Then because I feel some great injustice occured, I goto Allah and start posting there where the mods I start bashing have no control over what I say.

Personally, if it were me, he would have gotten 1 warning and then he's gone. Simple rules shouldn't have to be explained more than once. To get pissed because someone has to enforce the rules, is kinda childish. Once you have made it clear that is how you intend to act, you can't be suprised when people treat you like a child and just send you to your room [aka: erase your posts].

 

[Pompidou]

Seems like simply closing the offending posts and leaving them in their guilty state would've been a better choice. Decidence could've shut down the offender's argument as I'm sure he's quite capable of doing, put in a note that it won't be tolerated, and locked the thread. He gets the last word, Grasinthor doesn't turn from offender to oppressed victim, and I'm pretty sure a shell like BoL can survive one more incident. The problem with deleting the offending threads is that now Decidence or anyone on his side has no real proof that Grasinthor did anything wrong. All people see, is that there was an argument and Decidence didn't like how his opponent replied so he deleted it. Grasinthor could've easily been the bad guy if what Decidence says is true, but now all people will see is the follies of censorship. The coup de gras was trying to get this thread eliminated as well. That's why it's better to confront problems rather than suppress them and pretend they didn't happen. The old "move along now people, nothing to see here", Officer Barbrady of South Park routine doesn't really work.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Wasn't this for over a "/slap" emote. Naygor plz. :|

 

[Yoshindor]

This is a personal issue... I dont think it belongs on QCDN at all... and it certainly didnt belong in BoL's general forums either which is why it was moved from there.

With you everythings a personal power trip.

Your the reason I quit the game. Your the reason I quit the LS.

If you would maybe pull your head out of the clouds and tone down your narsisistic egomoniacal personality, maybe you could pass for a human being.

 

[Uzor]

With you everythings a personal power trip.

Your the reason I quit the game. Your the reason I quit the LS.

If you would maybe pull your head out of the clouds and tone down your narsisistic egomoniacal personality, maybe you could pass for a human being.

Woot, finally something I agree with Yoshindor on

Btw Uzor, why don't you get your own threads to troll in? You love rotating in my aura don't you.

For those of you, like Decidence, who don't understand sarcasm, do not read the below statement.

As in, troll in flames about me, or start my own flames that I can troll in? ; First of, I've never seen an actual FLAME about me, and I would love to get one. Since everyone knows you can't be famous without your own flame, right? Just look at all the super stars 8)

Besides, just how do you troll your own threads? And I love pinching your aura. It gets you annoyed <3

Uzor sticks up for people who steal 10mil gil items and associate with gilsellers... anytime I can piss him off it a chance not worth missing =P

Yup, because we all know a 1-year old by the in-game name of Penut is a gil seller just because he camped with them once. Just as we all know BoL is a gil-seller LS for alliancing with them. Or how we all know all NA's that camp with JP are, indeed, suddenly, somehow, japanese

And we all know that selling something that was given to you is stealing. And I honestly couldn't care less since it seem to piss you off so much :grin:

 

[vang]

Dude, Uzor, your leader Proph makes Decidence look like a saint. Let's be honest. It really doesn't get more shadey than that motherfucker and his "LS bank" that no one could ever question.

Please chill on all the shots at Deci when Proph is basically an illiterate Hitler. =/

 

[Grasinthor]

I come on tonight to see that the only people defending you deci is a few BoL mbrs. I hope you didn't promise them anything since I wouldn't put it past you in this situation.

X, the resignation was posted in General Discussions. But I understand if you want to stick up for deci since you are new to BoL and feel that you have to. I welcome BoL's opinions, and opinons should be heard, but for deci he feels they should be deleted.

Deci, you said that "if" I was a part of BoL in the past 3 months, eh? I remember somewhere you posted that I have been gone more than I was active. Let me help you with some math since you seem to be a bit off. My last day online was September 29.. it's December 9 today. That's 2 months bud. Either your cutting classes or taking coloring classes in your art school, idk. On top of that, I was in the shell for a week or so when I got a comp back up before I had more issues to take care of in rl.

You posted "Ok your excused" a bit back... um, who asked you for permission to excuse me. I didn't at all.

I mean after all, it's all about you. Isn't that what you like? lol I like how you are trying to play off your secret forum as something that involved WYS during plans to reorganize the LS when it isn't even regarding that at all. I don't blame you, I mean... it being out in the open now what else can you do but say it was something else and put doubt into the LS. I like how you defend the point rule change when I was even told you admitted to it a while back to regarding the cash out.

I love this comment.. look at this...

So you gonna keep bringing up arguments I keep disproving or do you have something new?

It really should be...

So I'm gonna keep making up excuses that I can't disprove. Wanna hear something new?

Reason why? You haven't disproved a damn thing. You have nothing valid to say about deleting posts, you say I had no opinion in the LS because I was away but was active and probably had better attendence from the beginning of July to the very end of September yet you want me to call your school when I remember times we farmed and you were lving your ninja. Also you should know that schools don't give out information to the public about students schedules or other information. Especially if it's only 3 days out of 5 weekdays if it was at all close to true. For a person without time, you lv'd Ninja to 75 pretty quick and Ranger too in the last few months. I know I couldn't do that during my stay with all the farming and Kirin runs we did.

Skipped over AOT of my comments about what you seem to think a real leader is? Comment about you saying that I haven't kept up with BoL info cause inactive people got BoL forum access revoked even though you did that 2 days ago LOL. Nice defence on that one deci. And I wonder why you don't answer this stuff? Have you even forgotten why I brought this all up? Cause you thought you can speak for the LS and that I had no say or opinion cause I have been inactive for probably a little less than 2 months for good reason while you have been around more and did less than alot of other mbrs.

You were very selective in your responses. Heck I know it's alot to read but I guess we can see you have done alot. Not anything to look up to though. Just alot of shady stuff.

So what have you done in the last two days... Delete my posts and keep yours... Edit your post after you realize you can't delete this one and know people may refer to it. Ask someone here to do something to a thread that isn't yours cause you maybe you know how wrong you were?

I meant to quote this, just to point out that EVERY SINGLE THING that Grasinthor has basically accused me of happened like 4-6 months ago (and everyone knew what was going on then)..

My comments are from day 1 of my stay in BoL to date. I made comments about Wish List, Dynamis etc. Regarding this defense.... Like you said...

... nice try though.

And lastly you said..

everyone is jealous that I don't give a shit and everyone else knows they would be pissed off in my position that their image was tarnished.

I hope you feel that saved face for you. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw you use the word "Jealous". I think alot of people would agree that whatever medication or colored markers you are snorting is making you think things. Why would anyone be jealous about someone not giving a shit? Honestly, we all know you do since you put so much effort to delete anything that seemed to make you look bad and kept your post (editing it may I add) on the BoL forum lol. Man, you just can stop with the lies now can you.

Cubswoo, since Decidence said he doesn't give a shit regarding this, then I would say he doesn't want this post locked or deleted. Lets honor him and keep it open for a bit longer. Or did I interpret that wrong?

I started this thread in BoL, Deci deleted my posts and resignation. I posted my thread here to let BoL mbrs know that I was leaving and why I had to post here and not on the BoL forums. Deci decided to discuss the issues here and made it public so I did. I didn't do this deci, looks like your actions lead it up to this. You don't wanna post here anymore.. but I understand. Only so much BS can flow out of a person on any given day. I know your tired. You should relax. And thanks for the last word, I know there wasn't much you could say anyway. Like I said, you didn't even come close to making sense of any of it.

And Vang, trying to derail the issue bringing in Proph saying he is an illiterate Hitler? If Deci was anywhere near a saint in that view, let me convince you that the devil is a born again christian... I'm hoping that isn't possible.

 

[Bigboy]

Seems like simply closing the offending posts and leaving them in their guilty state would've been a better choice. Decidence could've shut down the offender's argument as I'm sure he's quite capable of doing, put in a note that it won't be tolerated, and locked the thread. He gets the last word, Grasinthor doesn't turn from offender to oppressed victim, and I'm pretty sure a shell like BoL can survive one more incident. The problem with deleting the offending threads is that now Decidence or anyone on his side has no real proof that Grasinthor did anything wrong. All people see, is that there was an argument and Decidence didn't like how his opponent replied so he deleted it. Grasinthor could've easily been the bad guy if what Decidence says is true, but now all people will see is the follies of censorship. The coup de gras was trying to get this thread eliminated as well. That's why it's better to confront problems rather than suppress them and pretend they didn't happen. The old "move along now people, nothing to see here", Officer Barbrady of South Park routine doesn't really work.

You're right, that really is a good way of dealing with things. I retract some of my conflicting remarks.

 

[Grasinthor]

Before I head off once again, let me put this in close since I have tried to catch up on what I missed tonight.

Its not QCDN's fault... its Grasinthor's fault for not being courteous enough to leave BoL's issues to BoL... not to post them on public forums (ie. BoL's general forums and now QCDN's forums).

Wow. It's actually your fault that you weren't courteous enough to leave BoL issues to BoL. You say I went ballistic in the post I placed. I gave my personal reaction to your post and it wasn't in any way ballistic. Also the post I placed for Lanien to read regarding how I was submitting my opinion and information as everyone else has done in the past in regards to a possible recruitment. You deleted both leaving only your (now edited post) and Vang's comment regarding how funny your comment to me was.

I don't blame QCDN at all for bringing it here to the flameboards, seems you are popular this week in the flames, congrats. I just realized there is another lingering close to this one. Good job deci, now start pointing your finger toward others and acting big and bad.

Uzor sticks up for people who steal 10mil gil items and associate with gilsellers... anytime I can piss him off it a chance not worth missing =P

If Penut was in fact successful in stealing 10mil gil items, at least he was successful. You tried to overthrow a LS and you weren't. Still on your high horse now?

 

[Ugotjacked]

Meh

Damn thats some sketch shit. All for Decidence is a deusch bag say "I" all for Decidence is not a deusch bag say "Ney." Many spelling issues in there.

This will solve the entire issue and save BOL's name. Maybe you wont be considered a leader anymore and get demoted and BOL will have a reputation again. Shit I honestly have no idea what the standings are in the LS but if I divert the heat from BOL's name and put it onto Decidence's name it should make the shell look better right? Then after I divert the attention from BOL I can delete and edit some old posts and possibly manipulate a few people and things will get better right? Sorry that was a poor attempt at Matching. WTF matching doesnt fit there deusch bag Neosquall..... Its Mocking.

someone please inform me how to spell deusch because I really dont think that is correct.

 

[Sculli]

Thing is... if I started a flame in the LS recruitment section of QCDN and Nasya deleted my post...

Regardless of the issue at hand, Nasya wouldn't actually delete your post but move it to the Flameboard instead. It's still true that your post wouldn't belong on the LS recruitment section, just want to point out that it wouldn't be deleted.

Drama in an MMO, as in real life, is natural, which is why QCDN provides an outlet for it.

 

[Bigboy]

Regardless of the issue at hand, Nasya wouldn't actually delete your post but move it to the Flameboard instead. It's still true that your post wouldn't belong on the LS recruitment section, just want to point out that it wouldn't be deleted.

Drama in an MMO, as in real life, is natural, which is why QCDN provides an outlet for it.

Was just trying to create a hypothetical situation, in the case of BoLs forums, I don't believe they have a flame board, so it wouldn't be an option for them. I do know what you mean though. I would have to say, it would be kind of odd seeing what is meant to be a recruitment thread turn into a flame. It would deffinately look wierd on the flameboard. >.>;

"Looking for HNM LS"
-I hate you gtfo
--hey what I do to you?
---you /slap 'd me a year ago!
----wtf ever noob -.-

I can almost see it in my head.

 

[Lanien]

Wasn't this for over a "/slap" emote. Naygor plz. :|

To make a long story short .... yes.

 

[Zealot X]

At the risk of sounding biased since I am new to BoL....

Gras... There is one thing I'd like to educate you on. FFXI is a game. Now it does resemble life, but it is designed to be a fantasy life. This means that if someone hurts our feelings its not the apocalypse. As a ldr of an LS myself I would have to agree with *some* of the actions taken in the BoL forum. The only thing I would have done differently would be to notify you in-game about the steps I took and why. Because this was unresolved for you, instead of asking Deci personally, in-game, you felt like you were being disrespected publically and wanted equal public retribution.

I also feel that you, not Deci, is having an issue with power. You don't really have power in BoL like you had in your other LS where Lanien joined. You attempted to relive that former power when you responded to Lanien's application. I noticed you turned his macro "k thx bai" against him as if to ironically say k thx for apply, bai bai (you're not getting in "my" LS). This wasn't enough because it still looked to you that Lanien was going to make it in by the majority of other members and leaders. So then what? You basically started to flame.... in an application.... because you never got over the problem you had with him before. And the real issue here is the BoL is not the strict moral majority, right wing, patriot act weilding, fun snatchers that would reject someone over a /slap that they thought was playful. Either you took it seriously or someone else did. Neither is Lanien's problem. Why should the LS lose a DRG and BRD because someone didn't share his sense of humor? There is a difference between playfulness and true disrespect; the latter being intentional.

And could you have not told the LS in-game? Why post here? Really. The problem you had with Deci was personal between member and leader. You are trying to make it everyone else's business and yes, trying to flame his leadership skills. BoL is family. You don't put family stuff out in the street. Everyone knows that. And yes, other LS's have drama too... they just have less ppl trying to make it public. The more ppl you have the more likely your LS is to appear on QCDN. And seriously.... your problem with Lanien is stupid and old. The true enemy here is your own memory.

 

[Grasinthor]

At the risk of sounding biased since I am new to BoL....
Gras... There is one thing I'd like to educate you on.

There is no need to educate me Zealot.

You basically started to flame.... in an application.... because you never got over the problem you had with him before.

First off, there is a difference between a flame and listing my opinion and experience with Lanien. Second of all, I find it humorous that no one in BoL, which includes you, was able to see my last post to Lanien stating that I was stating my opinion and info and its utimately up to the leaders followed by another post regarding the unnecessary comment deci made to me and how he feels he speaks for all of BoL through his own opinion and each individual has their own respected opinion they are entitled to. So he deletes my posts and then my resignation. Sure, then he edits his once he realizes he can't delete this thread so people may check on the BoL site.

I understand your new and you feel you may have to stick up for him to maybe look good to him in the LS. Again, he's not a main leader as much as he may want you to think he is. Bigdaddy said something before that their is a reason leadership gave him the power to delete posts? They didn't. He offered to make a forum for BoL and even after he left BoL for a short time, he still had mod priviledges. Who's gonna take them away from him? Himself? He gave himself his own power to reign over the forums so that answers your comment Bigdaddy.

You talk about me not having power in BoL and that is bothering me? Tell me how that makes any sense. Check the recruitment forum history (before deci reads this and deletes or edits for his convenience) and check how people posted their opinions and such to other applicants. That's not power, you confuse power and the voice of opinions from other LS mbrs which they are entitled to. I did talk to deci before I posted here, what did he say? Why does he have to make up a new rule to justify what he says. Maybe you'll find a new rule soon about how he can start to post on your behalf regarding what he thinks you would say. Soon maybe, since he thinks he is the main leader of BoL and since he is the voice of BoL, no one will be able to post in the forums. You can only read what he types. Soon enough you will all lose access and he will only allow himself to talk to himself since he loves to hear himself so much.

You're new to BoL. Let me say that you will educate yourself when you start to learn what Decidence really is as many others already know. This post started off as an announcement. Deci decided to want to make the issue public and it became a flame on him. I respect many people in BoL (and they know who they are) hence I haven't included any of them or the LS in this. The newer people seem to have posted here probably feeling they need to do this to look good to deci. I don't know why. Don't let him screw you over and steer you wrong. By including yourself here and posting about things you aren't even a part of, you are putting BoL in the path of a flame as well by association of Deci. You sure you want that? This was deci's wrong doing, and not the LS's.

You talk about Lanien here and the difference of playfulness and disrespect. Lanien of course wants you to believe it was playfulness. Of course he does. Toward the LS he had been disrespectful in the past and during that one event I was a part of. That is irrelevent in this post though. Especially how you are trying to defend a playful act in your opinion when you weren't even there in that LS. I posted my opinion and a link to show as proof why I felt the way I did in expressing my opinion.

The main issue is that Deci's actions and comments regarding how he thinks he is the one voice of BoL was uncalled for. He stated he is a main leader, he's not. Read your weekly meeting notes before he decides to go on an edit tantrum. He questions my last 2 months of being away when he lvs 2 jobs to 75 while I was still ingame in the 3 months I was there, had lower attendence than many others in the LS (end of the attendence list) yet says he is in school and that's why he couldn't be there. Right... yet you were in parties xping while we farmed. It goes on and on. Sit down, relax and read the whole thread if you want to see the other issues with deci. You want to use the excuse of how long the thread is now and you don't wanna read it? Then don't assume you understand the issue and work on what deci wants you to believe and know while avoiding alot of the stuff he hasn't even touched on.

 

[Passions]

I must say, these books you guys write are great reading material at work i must say

 

[Panda]

the proper spelling is douche.