To BoL Members

[Grasinthor]

I'm not even worried about specific people who are tight with deci repeating what has already been made clear and understood by others regarding what the thread was posted for. If you notice the common thing between the posts, they are trying to make me say that it's a BoL flame even though everyone has said they know it wasn't and the information I provided and good things I've said about the real leaders etc have been coincidently overlooked.

By continuing to do this, it's their hope to turn the threads intent to a LS flame and say that I did this for people that have not read this from page one and are just reading the last page of it to believe and to take some fire off of deci mostlikely. If they want to do this, it's fine with me. The people who have read this from page one know how it got to this point and where my stance is and has always been in regards to "who" this was directed to when it did become a flame. Another fact that was overlooked each time is how I did not give details until deci started to give details himself, which then I did what I stated I would do in the first post and discuss it publicly if I felt that is what he wanted to do, which he started to do first.

If this was a LS flame, I wouldn't be trying to address BoL mbrs at first to tell them I was resigning, why I had to post here and to wish them the best. Why would I tell BoL mbrs to contact me in pm or /tells in game if they wanted more info or to discuss any reasoning to me? I even attempted to post this information on the BoL forums first to top that. Alot of things have been repeated over and over again but ignored by them to just have the thread change course for what they would want it to be.

Daballer, if you want to see or interpret things in a different way that alot of people here do not agree with, that's your opinion and you have every right to it. Heck, being able to state your opinion freely and voice it is one part of the whole argument. Sculli or Cubswoo didn't delete your post or mine to take a stance between one or the other. Same situation happened in the forums with the difference being that deci wanted to be big man on campus to say what he wanted to say but keep quiet others for his own benefit. As for deleting the resignation post, that just had no excuse except for the fact that he felt he could with the mod powers he had given himself. The fact also is that this thread would not be here had at the very least my resignation thread not been deleted. That is when I felt trying to address BoL mbrs was not possible through the forums. Even posting on QCDN was done with caution but yet again, caution was thrown into the wind with deci and he even attempted to have my thread deleted here as well. People have and still understand my main point as much as there have been attempts to redefine it to something different to move people's view off of deci.

As for me forgetting about BoL while I was gone, that isn't correct. Like I said before, some people in BoL know why I was away for the time I was and where I have been. You can assume what you'd like but you know what assuming things does. Either way, good luck with what you are trying to accomplish as well. I've had no prior issues with you but if you feel that this makes bad blood between us, that's your decision as well.

As stated on the first post on page one:

To most of the BoL mbrs, I wish you the best and much success.

That hasn't changed even with whatever the very few people in the shell have tried to make you and the public believe. If that statement and others like it is a flame, well the definition of a flame has definately changed alot recently.

 

[Grasinthor]

... but you are making this sound as if what Deci does reflects on the LS...

One of my other points was that Deci makes it sound as if what he says reflects the LS's thoughts and opinion alone no matter what they truly think, without any discussion etc etc which is not the case. Hence why he edited his post afterwards and not deleting it. Never did I say in this thread that his actions or words are the LS's fault. It was all on his own which brought us to where we are as of right now.

 

[Passions]

Were gatherd here today,
in the hands of qcdn to write book long threads that not only express our deepest feelings but to make others feel as though they do not deserve to be here on this blessed fantasy world we call Quetzalcoatl. we march and chant raining all in the past, hoping to show future awareness not just for one thy self, but for the others that may wish to follow the one day. we all try to sound innocent when were back stabbing and look for that closer point in the strong words that are posted. civil arguements are always quick to turn into name bashing off topic spews with little or nothing ever to break free of these petty excusses one gives.

take this time, to look back. look back into your first days as a young lad growing up in this large world of Qutzalcoatl. this is not what we wanted, no we longed for so much more then this. setting impossible to achive goals that we feel guilty for setting later. anger from this builds, human greed eats ones soul away in more ways the Soul Eater. We used to be happy to get a little money on the side to grabe what was that short term dream item. we made friends to laugh and explore with. now your life has been passing, your morals are changing oh for the not great reasons. let us live in peace, and happyness in a fantasy world, leave the violence and greed to the so called "real world" where we no longer long to live.
Let us set aside our differences and come together, to make a better world on Qutzalcoatl for all of the and new borns. Tis this is christmas, a time for giving and forgiving. BUT ASSHOLES ARE ASSHOLES SO QUIT BITCHING AND GET OVER IT ALREADY!!! {/laugh} :shok:

 

[Geneviene]

Ok Im late but i want to put my 2 cents in

Back to the original thing
I read your comment on Lanien's app. Sorry but that was bullshit. Dont bash a potential member on a public sight, if you have a problem with someone who is applying.......send a /tell to a ls leader and let them know your concern.

As for deci, quit bashing him, as a leader sometimes you have to make decisions for the best of the ls, and in this case, as a member and NOT a leader, I completely agree with his comments. That was my opinion as well. And for the record, deci as ALWAYS been very helpfull and very kind to me, he may be an Asshole and all that shit, but he pays his $13 a month so let him play the way he wants. If you dont like him, just stay away from him

That is all.............
Have a wonderfull daytaru ^^

 

[Grasinthor]

...as a leader sometimes you have to make decisions for the best of the ls

Which is correct, in this case WYS or any of the main leaders made no decision. So what are you talking about.

...as a member and NOT a leader, I completely agree with his comments. That was my opinion as well.

Exactly, that's you're opinion. We all have a right to an opinion as I stated before. Posts should not be deleted for a mods personal reasons period.

... but he pays his $13 a month so let him play the way he wants.

I pay my $13 a month as well. Doesn't mean he has the right to screw me or anyone in game or on a forum. The answer is "No".

 

[Geneviene]

Ok so "leader" wasnt the right word
he is a moderator, do you know what a moderator does?
He deletes/edits inappropriate threads, which is what he did

Also Why the hell did you feel the need to be rude like that anyway? Lanien is a good guy, so he made one mistake!! Now you want to block him out of an excellent LS based on that one mistake? Come on, Im sure you have made mistakes as we all have! Does no one believe in second chances anymore?

Im sure you are a helluva guy as well, and Im sure youve made mistakes and said inappropriate things, we all do! And Im not attacking you either!
I can understand your frustration and I can see your point of view, but I can see Deci and Laniens as well.

I hate to see anyone leave the ls period, so Im sad to hear your leaving altho I never met you, but why leave on bad terms?

 

[decidence]

Why is "leader" not the right word.

Go ask WYS if you wanna know who the leaders are... its the ones with access to the Leader Only Forum on our site and the ones who spend 2+ hrs at "Leader" meetings for example...

Myself, Calbrone, WYS, Neosquall, Godpoing, Kasuke and Pheona/Pheebe

Anyways back to Ignoring this thread.

 

[Yoshindor]

If he's a literate one, I know he's not too good with math

Okay not to sure I follow that but the comparison was, Prophecy slams his penis on the keyboard and hits enter. Decidence is just as big a nazi only he can spell, but not do math ?

 

[Yoshindor]

Why is "leader" not the right word.

Go ask WYS if you wanna know who the leaders are... its the ones with access to the Leader Only Forum on our site and the ones who spend 2+ hrs at "Leader" meetings for example...

Myself, Calbrone, WYS, Neosquall, Godpoing, Kasuke and Pheona/Pheebe

Anyways back to Ignoring this thread.

You are no leader. Thats like saying castro is a careing loveing democraticly elected president.

You would modify run time to suit your needs, modify the rules.

a few words come ti mind when I think about you.

TOOL! , NAZI, HYPOCRITE

 

[Giaganta]

Actually, i've been in BOL a long time and have yet to see Decidence do something selfish. He is very willing to help people, but at the same time demanding you not to be lazy.

 

[Yoshindor]

Actually, i've been in BOL a long time and have yet to see Decidence do something selfish. He is very willing to help people, but at the same time demanding you not to be lazy.

I was one of the orginal member of BoL, I was in that shell before decidence was, I was in that shell when doing mission 2-3 was a big event.

Sorry just because you havent seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The guy is just like Prophecy on more litterate.

 

[Grasinthor]

Why is "leader" not the right word.

Go ask WYS if you wanna know who the leaders are... its the ones with access to the Leader Only Forum ...
Anyways back to Ignoring this thread.

You should edit the post on "your" forum under the leaders meeting notes stating that you were removed as leader (and never readded may I add). You are not a main leader as you may like to portray you are. Also it's easy to give yourself access to portions of a forum when you yourself run them.

Look at the actions of some of the real leaders like Calbrone and Kasuke for example and maybe you will understand what real leaders do for their LS, not just be in the vincinity of a meeting.

Also good job on ignoring a thread btw. Thought you didn't care, guess that was wrong too.

 

[decidence]

You should edit the post on "your" forum under the leaders meeting notes stating that you were removed as leader (and never readded may I add). You are not a main leader as you may like to portray you are. Also it's easy to give yourself access to portions of a forum when you yourself run them.

Look at the actions of some of the real leaders like Calbrone and Kasuke for example and maybe you will understand what real leaders do for their LS, not just be in the vincinity of a meeting.

Also good job on ignoring a thread btw. Thought you didn't care, guess that was wrong too.

Leaders have been removed and added like 10x and only once has it been formally announced on the meeting notes... god your ignorant.

And who do you think all those "real" leaders learned from Grasinthor? Who do you think brought BoL from a casual sky LS to a serious end game LS and organized everything for several months on end coming to every sky event and every farming run and keeping track of every detail in the linkshell.

Did you not read the forums or something?

- I took up the reigns and brought BoL from kiting Genbu and wiping on Seiryu to tanking straight up and not wiping a single time on a God ever since Ive been to Gods with BoL.
- I structured BoL's LS Bank,
- I structured Item Priority
- I structured Sky Strategy's
- I wrote God and Sky Walkthroughs
- I developed the Point System
- I created our Roster and maintained our member database until about a month ago.
- I suggested 90% of the Rules and Rule Changes over the months of Lead Meetings.
- I contacted and brought to be a free webhost and forums for the linkshell which I continue to maintain.
- I kept track of attendance
- I kept track of all item drops
- I arranged item distribution
- I lead almost all farming runs until the end of the summer season
- I am giving complete Dynamis route walkthroughs and taking the effort to contact pullers in Perfect for help with them.
- I set up our BG accounts and initiated the competition for HNM Points that motivated us to kill more HNM's.
- I have been to all Pop NM's and HNM's BoL has fought and beaten.
- I have been to almost all Kirin and God runs since they began.
- I had attended 97% of all farming runs until the end of the summer season.

Thats just off the top of my head...

So stop trying to debate my leadership in the LS... you think you know shit, but really you don't... no leader even considered you a member of BoL when you left.

 

[decidence]

Basically in short... you can question my dedication lately, you can question my honesty in the past... but stop questioning my leadership, that is something I like to think I worked hard for and did a lot to be able to earn in a LS as great as BoL is.

 

[Geneviene]

Damn straight Deci, I think you are an excellent leader.
Keep up the good work!

 

[Grasinthor]

Leaders have been removed and added like 10x and only once has it been formally announced on the meeting notes... god your ignorant.

Funny, I don't recall any of the main leaders being removed and readded especially 10x. But if that's what helps you sleep at night. Maybe during your little LS rebellion where you tried to form another shell on your own, maybe then would your reasoning of prior leaders being gone make sense. WYS became main leader again once your little thing didn't work out... yeah I can see where you are coming from on that one... right deci.

And who do you think all those "real" leaders learned from Grasinthor?

Well I know one thing. It wasn't you're lazy ass. Well wait... you weren't lazy were you.. you were at school yet lving ninja and ranger to 75 during the time I was in the shell while everyone was farming. Yeah you were pretty busy. I know I learned after a while that you weren't gonna show up for farming. Guess you're right on that one too.

Who do you think brought BoL from a casual sky LS to a serious end game LS and organized everything for several months on end coming to every sky event and every farming run and keeping track of every detail in the linkshell.

Seeing the fact that you were mainly all talk and no action... um I'd say not you. Calbrone pretty much struggled to lead many events that you say you didn't have time for. If you wanna talk about events that seemed to benefit you cause you didn't have it done? Yeah, that's a big help for the LS. Time to be honest Deci, if it didn't benefit you at all, you weren't there to help the shell at all.

Did you not read the forums or something?

I did but you musta deleted something I missed as you are very good at doing it seems.

You want to talk about LS bank, you want to talk about point system etc. etc. Well look at that line in my sig first of all. Cashing out of points at 100% before you change the rules (funny how you made sure you had no points once the points were to be eliminated). Wrote a post on the forums about fighting gods? Wasn't even that much detailed as other shells have but wow, you typed a post or two. Yeah big deal deci. Member database... Do you even know what a database is? And yeah that "list" of names got updated how many times? You type a thing here and there in a few weeks or so. Save the file every few days or so. That makes you a leader? You suggest 90% of the rules and rule changes? Yeah, we saw how that worked out for you very well while the others got screwed. lol Hmm, kept track of attendence? You didn't come to farming, other leaders did and kept track of attendence and sent it to you and when you decide to read the info, you delete a number and add a new one to the forums.. Hell it took days for you to update attendence at times. Yeah that's a leader for ya eh? Made 97% of farming? Don't make me laugh deci. I find it funny how you are pulling percentages out of your ass. Farming xp maybe.

You're list goes on and on Deci but it's all BS. Don't take credit for the real work that the true leaders have done in the LS. You've just been along for the ride. Like a person making up a new resume, your list is mostly made up reworded and fluffed bullshit. Enjoy ignoring the thread. You're recent post goes to show how much you really don't care as you said before. You're really convincing me of that deci. Really you are!!!

You say I think I know my shit but I don't? Well I know you're full of shit and many know that's a fact. As for saying no leader considered me a mbr of the LS when I left? Is that you talking for the LS again Deci? No, now you're talking for all the LS leaders right? I guess you don't consider WYS a leader. I spoke to him about why I was leaving and gave him my notice and he very much knew I was a mbr up to the point I said I was leaving. Oh, but you don't consider him a leader mostlikely. In your imaginary world, your the solo leader of the LS. Heck, everyone lives through you right? Sorry, I forgot about that. Good luck with that deci, hope it works out for you.

 

[Grasinthor]

Basically in short... you can question my dedication lately, you can question my honesty in the past... but stop questioning my leadership, that is something I like to think I worked hard for and did a lot to be able to earn in a LS as great as BoL is.

Dedication and honestly is part of being a good leader which I can understand why you don't know that. If a person isn't dedicated to their LS or honest with them, they aren't being a good leader if at all any.

 

[decidence]

Funny, I don't recall any of the main leaders being removed and readded...

Wanna show me exactly where it was announced that Pheona, Neosquall, Griddlecake, Moadib, Dowzer, Touge etc were added to the leader roster... or where it was announced they stepped down or were removed?

you were at school yet lving ninja and ranger to 75 during the time I was in the shell while everyone was farming.

Ummm... you do know I just started that schedule at the end of September right?

And I was the participation points leader with Scwall up until that point... I dunno maybe you never paid attention or something... but nearly everyone who played from May to September knows that I was there almost every day... you weren't.

Calbrone pretty much struggled to lead many events that you say you didn't have time for.

If your talking about land events, like Bomb Queen and Optical Hat (which were the only other events being run aside from sky), then yea.. I was never interested in doing those nor wanted to make the time for them because aside from the 30+ hours I spent with the LS in sky per week I needed 20+ hours for school and however much time for assignments... its called balancing the weekday, I guess people like you that fall so hard in life never grasped that.

You want to talk about LS bank, you want to talk about point system etc. etc. Well look at that line in my sig first of all. Cashing out of points at 100% before you change the rules (funny how you made sure you had no points once the points were to be eliminated).

Did you even look at the LS Bank's transaction record... people cashed out their points on a daily basis... and you only focus on the time I cashed my points out which was a day after Scwall cashed his maximum out mind you... wow way to be biased.

Do you even know what a database is?

Yea its written in a program called Microsoft Access which manages databases and keeps track of points, lifetime points, equipment drops, god seals on hand, god pop items on hand, and a shit load of other stuff you never comprehended.

Yeah, we saw how that worked out for you very well while the others got screwed

Why don't you drop your fucking Koenig then bitch... fucking ungrateful loser. At least I'm still around and didn't dick out with all the gear I have.

Hell it took days for you to update attendence at times.

Yea near the end of August when I was having Finals and handing in Final Projects... you ever goto a private technical school bud? Do you have any idea about the kind of academic pressures people can be under around finals... obviously you don't.

I guess you don't consider WYS a leader. I spoke to him about why I was leaving and gave him my notice and he very much knew I was a mbr up to the point I said I was leaving.

Let's see... WYS's exact words to me "Don't worry about Grasinthor, I dealt with him", "he never showed up anyways" I think your under the misconception that he gave a shit about you... lol

Dedication and honestly is part of being a good leader which I can understand why you don't know that. If a person isn't dedicated to their LS or honest with them, they aren't being a good leader if at all any.

I didnt say anything your questioning is correct... obviously it is impossible to argue with you because you think your right about everything even though you were one of the most inactive members and had only had like 40hrs worth of sky participation with BoL before quitting (yea we still have the points from back then)

You keep saying I was levelling my NIN and RNG to 75... FYI, my NIN was LV75 in late June (shortly after BoL started in sky) and my RNG was my first job I levelled when I started this game and had it already almost to 68 before I decided to quickly level it to 75 near the end of summer which only took 3 weeks... and haven't touched the job since... wow I musta been really occupied there. And man, all these parties lately... I mean 2 PTs in the last month... this is crazy.

Will you just shut up already?

 

[decidence]

lol I just came to the realization that as long as I keep posting, this thread could possibly never end...

I mean (speaking to the audience) Grasinthor here, kept a grudge with someone for over a year because of a single 1 line /slap incident which he still continues to argue over... and I mean what kind of person like that could ever bring himself to give up on an argument like this.

Obviously he will never see how rediculous his points against me are and will argue them forever if he has to.

And ladies and gentleman, most likely this is what causes Grasinthor to be such a failure in real life, which is unfortunate. I almost feel like setting up some sort of charity or fundraiser to help poor Gras out.

Grasinthor is the type of person in real life who wants to be the boss but can't be because he is otherwise ill equipped to handle it or is under qualified. He tried it in FFXI and failed, and when he couldn't handle being a follower, he failed at that too... just like the real world.

In this situation it's just like how Gras has been all too well aquanted with.. I'm playing the role of "big boss" and Gras doesn't like being pushed around... but see thats what I live for... I push people... and geeks just don't like being pushed around in games because in a virtual world they feel they can stick up for themselves, but in real life they have to do what their told just like how Gras would if I ever met him in real life and told him to kiss my boots.

However, if I was getting as owned as hard as Grasinthor is, I think I woulda stopped replying by now...

 

[Grasinthor]

/em begins to clap

Wow deci, I thought a person like you can have so much BS to talk about, but seeing you havent posted in days and come back recently... I see you had time to think real long and hard about what more BS you can post about.

You quoted me on removing and adding of main leaders but failed to add the end of the sentence of 10x (I don't blame you at all, making up stories to save face is what you do in life, real life or ingame). Leaders were not added and removed 10x. Also, since you do like to see what you want to see, it is listed where people were added to the leader roster. You just can't handle the fact that it is there in print that you were taken off the list. Again probably that ego of yours holding you back.

You say now that your schedule began immediately after september convienently for you when I happened to leave. Do you know when summer ends? Also, I WAS at farming every day till that last week. You weren't. Funny thing is that you say you were but participation points showed how you were in the bottom of the list and I had more participation than you did. Yet you say you're right. Wow, convienent deci.

30+ in sky you did a week you said? You didn't attend other events cause it didn't interest you? Real leadership talking there. Again, what was good for you in gain and not the shell. Thanks for proving my point. 30+ in sky is a very off number as well. Remember, you xping up there doesn't count.

What you don't know is that I do and have taken care of databases. What you do with a list is not a database. A real database has relations and tables. Wow you have a list of names and points listed on a forum. Maybe you should go get your certification from Microsoft regarding your Access experience LOL. You're words only tell me you have so much more to learn lol

And why didn't I drop my fucking Koenig? Wow, for a database expert and spending so much time keeping track of things, you should know that Koenig never dropped for me during god runs ROFL. Deci, stop now already. You're reaching at this point and making yourself look like more of the dumbass you already are.

You wanna stick WYS into this and quote him and thats fine. All I can say is that we had an interesting discussion regarding you as well. But this isn't about WYS or any other BoL member as much as you would wish it was. This is about you. Too bad you don't seem to be able to have any stable ground unless you try to bring any of them into this in hearsay or to try to defend you're already nonexistent honor.

I loved you're last post deci I mean it was creative how you came up with the whole charity thing etc etc. Trying to act like all this doesn't phase you at all and yet posting jibberish here to try to defend a point that you just don't have, of course you would do that. I have 2 university degrees yet I'm a failure at life? ROFL You're still in school doing some arts program. Keep your charity money for crayons and markers Deci, I know you probably need them more than I do. And trying to shift it about me wanting to be boss was halarious. I never said in any thread about how I wanted to be boss yet your comment about your self proclaimed leadership it was questioned and that hurt your ego didn't it. You probably haven't posted anything here because you probably needed some time alone, deci time, to ponder things. It's ok deci, it's understandable when kids get upset like that. We were all kids at one point like you. Just go get a diaper change and wipe that tear off your face deci, it'll be ok. Throwing a tantrum isn't gonna make anything better.

Now if you are done playing "big boss" role in your mind thinking everyone is under you, you would know that if most of us, including me, ever met you in real life, we would not be doing anything remote of kissing your boots. It would be more like shoving your boot in the appropriate part of your anatomy. So yeah, you can "try" to talk big and bad on a forum or in a game and think you own, but remember that in real life you don't come close to what you would like to protray for yourself here.

So if you wanna talk about donations, let me know if any of that money I donated to Jerry's Kids for you ever made it to your hands cause all your comments here seem to be the most retarded things I've ever heard from your mouth to date. Anything else you would like to add deci? Or do you need more time to make up some more facts. If you would like to change some of your supposed facts again like you already have, by all means. Go ahead and enjoy. And good luck with your Microsoft Access database ROFL.