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http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/536862

C.W. Jefferys stabbing charge
Nov 14, 2008 10:08 AM

Sunny Freeman
Staff Reporter

A 17-year-old youth has been charged with aggravated assault in the Tuesday stabbing at C.W. Jefferys Collegiate Institute.
The male youth, who can't be named under the Youth Criminal Justice Act, turned himself in to police last night.
He was accompanied by a lawyer and charged in connection with the stabbing of a Grade 11 student inside the school cafeteria.
He was to appear in court for a bail hearing at 10 a.m. today.
Police said the accused is not known to police, but was known to the victim.

The victim was stabbed in the abdomen during the lunch hour. He left the school in a cab and called police from his home.
Police were initially seeking two suspects, but would not say whether they are still looking for a second person.
In May 2007, 15-year-old student Jordan Manners was shot and killed at the school.
Manners' killing prompted a major task force to examine ways of stopping violence in schools.
The latest incident provoked questions about why there was no police officer inside the troubled school.
The school board told The Star Wednesday that C.W. Jefferys will have a police officer stationed there within the next couple of weeks.
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One year earlier a young boy was killed.

I think metal detectors would be an appropriate form of security. One or two Police officers in the school wouldn't necessarily stop these things from happening, though it may intimidate the kids enough to lessen the chances.
 
How has it come to this?

I was at this womans house fixing her door for her one evening, we started talking about the kids these days and their issues. She told me "the only thing we worried about in school back then was who to take to the dances." I'm not that old and even back in my day I just remember things were taken care of with fists. Do we blame the parents as usual who let these kids buy the Rated "M" violent video games? The parents who are out shopping right now for that one CD their child loves, the CD that also tells the listener to "bust a cap in haterz"?

It seems to be a fine line to me, the line being "old enough to know whats wrong and right" and just good ol' fasioned bad parenting. Its against the law in some places to yell at your children let alone the time honored tradition of whooping that ass. I'm just glad I was born when I was, kids are out of control and most of their parents should have been cut or hollowed out.
 
Parents need to start givin their kids an ass whooping.

That is all.

Hold on, lemme say that again.

Parents need to start givin their kids an ass whooping.
 
Saocide said:
How has it come to this?

Do we blame the parents as usual who let these kids buy the Rated "M" violent video games? The parents who are out shopping right now for that one CD their child loves, the CD that also tells the listener to "bust a cap in haterz"?
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No, there has been violence in video games pretty much since their release. Movies etc, the nature and realism has changed, but what of the impressionable? That's what I think that comes down to.


Saocide said:
Its against the law in some places to yell at your children let alone the time honored tradition of whooping that ass. I'm just glad I was born when I was, kids are out of control and most of their parents should have been cut or hollowed out.
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My mother would not hesitate to slap me across the mouth if something nasty or disrespectful were to come of it, I never ONCE threatened to call police, child services or "divorce" them lol. Still to this day I swear by my parents methods. I was not afraid of them, I had a great relationship with with my parents. I just was well aware what was acceptable behavior and what wasn't.

Regardless of what society deems appropriate ways to raise MY children, I'll beat their ass(es) and smack their mouths if I feel it necessary.

I'm confident, I may have a devil of a child (as I was), but I won't raise a punk.

Stine said:
I know a lot of parents in South Carolina that are too worried about being their kid's best friend instead of being their parent. :/ Some of them have the mindset that their child is perfect and never does anything wrong even when a teacher informs them otherwise. Not everyone might agree with spanking their kids but some form of parental punishment needs to happen. My mom definitely put the fear of Mom in us. >.>
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Friendship comes later, when a child is grown and they then have the tools necessary to make life decisions.. that's when friendship really comes into play. Before that though, kids need guidance.
 
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I know a lot of parents in South Carolina that are too worried about being their kid's best friend instead of being their parent. :/ Some of them have the mindset that their child is perfect and never does anything wrong even when a teacher informs them otherwise. Not everyone might agree with spanking their kids but some form of parental punishment needs to happen. My mom definitely put the fear of Mom in us. >.>
 
I think the 80s and 90s had child care right for the most part. I'm 21 and I still don't swear near or around my and her friends. I smashed my toe the other day and shouted Fudge because she was near.

Kids these days(I sound old <_<) need a good smack upside the head so they stop being such morons. All these laws that are made to protect kids are just ruining kids. A few months ago my 8 year old nephew swears to his dad. Big swears too. All his dad did was just smile. Like fuck.
 
Oh, no no I'm not blaming games and movies at all per say. I didnt make it clear enough about the whole "impressionable" thing which is what its about. They arent being talked to enough about it, they arent being told to NOT go around bashing heads in with bats. Then again they shouldnt own "M" games to begin with, but thats just me.
 
Saocide said:
Oh, no no I'm not blaming games and movies at all per say. I didnt make it clear enough about the whole "impressionable" thing which is what its about. They arent being talked to enough about it, they arent being told to NOT go around bashing heads in with bats. Then again they shouldnt own "M" games to begin with, but thats just me.
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Oh I knew you weren't blaming game content etc. =) no worries I knew where you were going with it. I agree with you.

It's unfortunate that parents are afraid of their children. They're dumbing themselves down to bargaining with their children,.. with children!!?! Would you hire a child as a sales rep? Apparently they're good enough to be as they have great bargaining power.

However, I must say for the police in this area, if punk kids were to call them on some bogus complaint because they're being punished and they got a good crack the cops would just shrug for the most part and say "I'd have done the same thing if you were my kid, or worse" .. ya know.
 
I still remember when I was 16 and my sister was 17. My dad went to Wales for 2 weeks in the summer and did not hesitate to leave us alone with no supervision because he trusted us. If a parent does his/her job, they shouldn't have to worry about their own childrens decisions.

I don't know what to say about public school because I went to a private school and never had a problems with weapons (yes, I'm aware someone will pipe in and say private schools have problems too, I'm not arguing that point, I'm saying mine didn't so I can't really relate).

I think the worst I saw in highschool was name calling, only stabbing was "back stabbing". Then again, my dad taught at the public highschool in town and they had an onsite police officer that was there every day.

I agree with Genk. Seriously, punish your kids. When your kids aren't scared of repercussion or know that they can do anything they want because their parent won't do anything about it, they will do anything they want. The day that kids were able to divorce their parents, the day that parents couldn't even look at their kids funny in public without some bleeding heart yelling "abuse!", those were the days that lead to this.
 
Mirewen said:
I still remember when I was 16 and my sister was 17. My dad went to Wales for 2 weeks in the summer and did not hesitate to leave us alone with no supervision because he trusted us. If a parent does his/her job, they shouldn't have to worry about their own childrens decisions.

I don't know what to say about public school because I went to a private school and never had a problems with weapons (yes, I'm aware someone will pipe in and say private schools have problems too, I'm not arguing that point, I'm saying mine didn't so I can't really relate).

I think the worst I saw in highschool was name calling, only stabbing was "back stabbing". Then again, my dad taught at the public highschool in town and they had an onsite police officer that was there every day.

I agree with Genk. Seriously, punish your kids. When your kids aren't scared of repercussion or know that they can do anything they want because their parent won't do anything about it, they will do anything they want. The day that kids were able to divorce their parents, the day that parents couldn't even look at their kids funny in public without some bleeding heart yelling "abuse!", those were the days that lead to this.
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You still should have had your ass whooped for the fun of it. <3
 
lol I did get a "spanking" when I was little for doing stupid shit, like talking back (you know me...). I got grounded once, but when my dad found out it was my sister that had framed me, he came up to my room and apologized (something that parents also need to do when they are wrong).
 
It is a sad state of affairs. I blame all this PC and child-sensitivity crap. You can tell the difference between genuine child abuse and a kid who was mouthing off and needed a slap across the head. I had corpral punishment when I was a child and I don't think it has made me 'angry', 'resentful' or 'gonna beat my own kids' as they claim this does.

I think there are parents who are afraid of their children; etheir their children could physically harm them, or emotionally harm them, and those who are afraid of what society thinks about how they raise their children. Spoiled little brats get away with everything and any kind of behavior and it makes me sick. Oh dear gods do I wish I could punish other people's children, like the crying kids in the grocery store who throw temper tantrums because they want something and their parents act helpless.
 
lol I was in line at Starbucks with my dad for a coffee and there was a little kid (probably about 6 or 7) screaming because they wanted a treat. The mother wasn't saying anything, not even paying the slightest bit of attention. After about 3 minutes (yea, you know how long Starbucks lines can get) the child was still having a full blown tantrum. My dad leaned down (he's 6'3") looked the kid straight in the eyes and said very firmly and stearnly "Shut up". The mother looked at my dad like he just punted the kid across the room, "Madam, I suggest you pay attention to your child" (he said in his British accent).
 
Weather the content in television programs or video games are to blame for youth violence, is unknown in my opinion. However the hard content we seek entertainment from really do reflect the times.

These things have been happening for years, and with population increase it's more likely to happen even within the school walls. The teenage mind still has a lot to learn, but in many cases a teen feels they are ready to rule due to the fact they can fend for themselves much better than their recent selves, and life can be more interesting if they grasp onto it as they please. The adolescent that realize that they are not ready, usually turn out to be adults with less regrets.

For the adult that succeeded at being a punk ass and getting away with it when they were teens, may be likely to deliver and raise little punks that may potentially surpass their parents ways. On a side note, that is a harsh way of speculating it, but collectively our society is pretty mashed. It's not like it was in the 70's or 80's when things were less radical.

Perfect example: In 1983 there was a movie called "The Day After" It was about an Atomic bomb going off and it killed a lot of people. Mass amounts of people were so scared, they had to open a telephone hot line to provide physiological support to people who were suffering from paranoia. Judging by what movies came after, I'd say "The Day After" was ahead of it's time.

The point I'm trying to make is, we've collectively learned to remain "calm" towards pressing matters, and within that, there are some that will perform violence when enraged, without thinking twice about it. Action is the ultimate expression, and as society simply returns to their comforts and move on with life, the comfort level we express as a society kinda makes as though this type of news is ok cause it's regular. If the people were less ok with this, they wouldn't just let the police handle it, and you better believe this type of news would become more rare.
 
Mirewen said:
lol I was in line at Starbucks with my dad for a coffee and there was a little kid (probably about 6 or 7) screaming because they wanted a treat. The mother wasn't saying anything, not even paying the slightest bit of attention. After about 3 minutes (yea, you know how long Starbucks lines can get) the child was still having a full blown tantrum. My dad leaned down (he's 6'3") looked the kid straight in the eyes and said very firmly and stearnly "Shut up". The mother looked at my dad like he just punted the kid across the room, "Madam, I suggest you pay attention to your child" (he said in his British accent).
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I LOVE YOUR DAD!
 
Saocide said:
Do we blame the parents as usual who let these kids buy the Rated "M" violent video games?
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No, there was a study this year that proved violent video games really doesn't increase violence in kids that much. i gotta find it and post it. It was done by some big university, if i find it i'll post it
 
I think its a silly idea as well, but it could only take that 1 out of the 1,000 that it did influence to create another tragedy.
 
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