Transfering to Schools in a different country

Zephayra · Feb 3, 2009

I'm just curious if anyone has had any experience transferring schools in another country.

I hold a Bachelor of Sciences Degree in Anthropology and obtaining a diploma in an Ontario school. I'm considering transferring to a college in the U.S. and I'm going to attempt to use my previous degrees/diplomas to get exempted out of specific courses in the program. I'm also hoping my university background will exempt me from a one year general degree they require before applying for the program I am interested in.

I'm a little concerned how the U.S. views degrees/diplomas obtain from other countries, like if they're equal to their standards. I was wondering if anyone else has done this and to what success they've had.

Thanks!

Edit: I am going to contact the school in question later today. I just wanted to know if there was anything I should know/expect before I go ahead.

Falsey · Feb 3, 2009

this would probably best be asked from the school itself, since im sure each case is treated on a "case by case" basis.

im not trying to be rude or anything, just saying

Morwen · Feb 3, 2009

It is my understanding that the U.S. is much more lenient w/ schooling from Canada than other foreign countires (if you can even call Canada foreign as.. hey, you're right there). I would think, though, if you were to gain education here you would require a schooling visa. It might be different down there as here in Michigan... well... *turns 180 degrees and waves at Canada*

Zephayra · Feb 3, 2009

Falsey said:
this would probably best be asked from the school itself, since im sure each case is treated on a "case by case" basis.

im not trying to be rude or anything, just saying

I didn't think it was rude at all. I'm reading up on the college's website and trying to get a feel for it before I call. I'm actually kind of nervous about it lol.

Morwen said:
It is my understanding that the U.S. is much more lenient w/ schooling from Canada than other foreign countires (if you can even call Canada foreign as.. hey, you're right there). I would think, though, if you were to gain education here you would require a schooling visa. It might be different down there as here in Michigan... well... *turns 180 degrees and waves at Canada*

I've been reading up on the international section of their website and its confusing @_@ and I think more aimed towards people out of continent lol. I'm pretty sure I have to get some kind of visa.

I'm just trying to get my tuition knocked down a bit because they charge a substantial amount for out of state per credit. I understand that there's some courses I do need to take, but I really don't want to take anatomy again, ugh >< .

Eilistrae · Feb 3, 2009

It all depends really, most colleges accept previously earned course credits, but some don't. Like Falsey said, its "case by case". Good luck though!

Makelith · Feb 3, 2009

It also depends on how picky the school you plan on going to is. I went to a community college for 2 years before i transfered, and the degree i got there would be accepted at any private or state college in the midewest, and any state college in the country.

I'd find it pretty hard to believe that none of your credits would transfer, but i would be wary about thinking your whole degree will transfer. Colleges are out to make money, you know.

Realia · Feb 3, 2009

Where were you thinking of going to school? And for what? I'm curious what you would want to go into with a BS in anthro.

Zephayra · Feb 3, 2009

Makelith said:
It also depends on how picky the school you plan on going to is. I went to a community college for 2 years before i transfered, and the degree i got there would be accepted at any private or state college in the midewest, and any state college in the country.

I'd find it pretty hard to believe that none of your credits would transfer, but i would be wary about thinking your whole degree will transfer. Colleges are out to make money, you know.

I'm pretty sure the whole degree and diploma won't be transferred. There are a few courses I know I'll have to take, such as legislation. My only worry is that the America Board I spoke to said that my college wasn't accredited, but they referred me to the college to speak to them about transferring. I can only hope that my community college diploma has some merits to theirs.

Realia said:
Where were you thinking of going to school? And for what? I'm curious what you would want to go into with a BS in anthro.

I'm actually trying to transfer my Funeral Director's License. I'd be using my BSc to try and get exempted out of the first year Associated Applied Science diploma required before you apply to the Mortuary College. There are a few pre requistes I don't have :/ so I don't know if they'll let me take those concurrently with the program.

I'd love to continue pursing Physical Anthropology, but I really enjoy working in the funeral industry. At this point though, with how much they're asking in international fees, I may as well try and get a masters @_@.

Makelith · Feb 3, 2009

No offense or anything, but what exactly do you learn at mortuary college?

Zephayra · Feb 3, 2009

Makelith said:
No offense or anything, but what exactly do you learn at mortuary college?

How to pump dead people full of chemicals :awesome:

Once upon a time, to be a funeral director you just had to apprentice with one. Then in the late 1800s, early 1900s it was decided there would be a school to learn the art of embalming. Then by the 1950s, they decided to regulate the profession by adding in anatomy and microbiology.

Today you have to be schooled in embalming procedures, ethics, mortuary law, grief issues, ethical issues, restorative art, pathology, microbiology and anatomy (even though the only anatomy knowledge you really need to know is the circulatory system). I can tell you right away I haven't used half of the stuff I learned in mortuary school.

Anyways, to compare. This is what I took at Humber:

Spoiler:

The college I'm thinking of applying to has this as their curriculum

Spoiler:

Thelona · Feb 3, 2009

A job like that would depress the hell outa me, glad you enjoy it tho cause someones gotta do it! =P

Good Luck with getting your credits transferred.

Linhjah · Feb 4, 2009

Zephayra said:
The college I'm thinking of applying to has this as their curriculum

Spoiler:

Mortuary Science

Associate of Applied Science (A.A.S.)

General Education Requirements:
Credits
SPCM 101 Fundamentals of Speech Communication
ENGL 101 College Composition I
PSYC 101 Introduction to Psychology

General Education Electives:
(Choose courses in each category from the list of approved General Education courses. One 3-credit General Education course must be a Diversity course.)
Biological and Physical Sciences
Mathematics
Arts and Humanities or Behavioral Science (Must be a Diversity Course)*

Program Prerequisites:
CINS 101 Introduction to Computers
ACCT 101 Principles of Accounting I

Program Requirements:
BIOL 130 Human Anatomy for Mortuary Science
BIOL 245 Microbiology for Mortuary Science
BIOL 252 Physiological Pathology
MORS 106 Thanatochemistry
MORS 101 Funeral Service Principles I
MORS 102 Funeral Service Principles II
MORS 111 Embalming Theory I
MORS 112 Embalming Practice I
MORS 113 Embalming Theory II
MORS 114 Embalming Practice II
MORS 115 Advanced Embalming Theory
MORS 121 Restorative Art/Surface Anatomy
MORS 122 Restorative Art/Color and Cosmetology
MORS 131 Mortuary Management I
MORS 132 Mortuary Management II
MORS 141 Mortuary Laws and Practices I
MORS 142 Mortuary Laws and Practices II
MORS 151 Thanatology
MORS 200 Funeral Service Seminar

Provided they'll let you test out of around 50% of those (I think that is what it said on their site - idk if there are any different stipulations for international students), you're looking at around 12 classes. Averaging 3 credit hours per class at the out of state rate, you'd be looking at around $9,500. At the out of county rate, you'd be looking at between $6000 - $6500.

Maybe they'll let you transfer some and test out of others. That'd be best case scenario. Otherwise, it looks like someone may wanna start on some overtime.

What would it take for you to get your Masters in Canada?

Zephayra · Feb 4, 2009

Linhjah said:
Provided they'll let you test out of around 50% of those (I think that is what it said on their site - idk if there are any different stipulations for international students), you're looking at around 12 classes. Averaging 3 credit hours per class at the out of state rate, you'd be looking at around $9,500. At the out of county rate, you'd be looking at between $6000 - $6500.

Maybe they'll let you transfer some and test out of others. That'd be best case scenario. Otherwise, it looks like someone may wanna start on some overtime.

What would it take for you to get your Masters in Canada?

The person I was speaking to was the International Admission Adviser. He told me that I'd have to apply for an evaluation through some website and then the registrar would look at my evaluation and decide what I can transfer. He seemed pretty optimistic when I told him I had a university degree and my other diploma + experience but I have to call this case evaluator next week.

The website says its $261 per billable hour, and the program itself is 45 credits (I'm guessing thats 45 hours? Americans do things way differently!) if I don't get any thing transferred other than skipping the gen ed pre-req's

Getting my masters here in Canada wouldn't make me a Funeral Director though @_@.

Xalioniaf · Feb 4, 2009

Zephayra said:
Today you have to be schooled in embalming procedures, ethics, mortuary law, grief issues, ethical issues, restorative art, pathology, microbiology and anatomy (even though the only anatomy knowledge you really need to know is the circulatory system). I can tell you right away I haven't used half of the stuff I learned in mortuary school.

You're so a "restorative artist" in my book now. That's awesome.

Zephayra said:
The website says its $261 per billable hour, and the program itself is 45 credits (I'm guessing thats 45 hours? Americans do things way differently!)

The words "credits" and "hours" are interchangeable here. Hell, sometimes people call them "credit-hours" to make sure that there's no ambiguity :awesome:.

Linhjah · Feb 4, 2009

Xalioniaf said:
The words "credits" and "hours" are interchangeable here. Hell, sometimes people call them "credit-hours" to make sure that there's no ambiguity :awesome:.

Linhjah said:
Averaging 3 credit hours per class at the out of state rate...

Yep. :biggrin: I'm sure you'll get something figured out.

Zephayra · Feb 4, 2009

Xalioniaf said:
You're so a "restorative artist" in my book now. That's awesome.

The words "credits" and "hours" are interchangeable here. Hell, sometimes people call them "credit-hours" to make sure that there's no ambiguity :awesome:.

Linhjah said:
Yep. :biggrin: I'm sure you'll get something figured out.

It's crazy. Here in Ontario at least, you pay a lump sum per year. You can take 5 courses per semester (Some of these courses are half credits from Sept to Dec or Jan to April, or full year courses Sept-April), and with the permission of your academic adviser, you can take a course overload only if you meet requirements. For my university degree, I paid $5,000 roughly per year and did a 4 year program. A full year course was 1 credit and a half credit was well.. 0.5. You had to have 20 credits to graduate.

At my college, I paid a lump sum of $2,000 to take all the courses I was required to take in my program. The FSE program actually makes you take a course overload. You're only supposed to take 5 courses per semester, all which only last from Sept to Dec, or Jan to April. FSE is only one year at the school but you're required to take 15 classes. I was actually exempted from two, but still took 7 classes in the fall semester and 6 in the winter. Interestingly enough, the classes were given 'credits' per class - you would get one credit per hour spent in that class.

Also, Xali - I haven't done too much restorative art at my work yet, but we've had a few. It's actually pretty challenging and rewarding

Ecks · Feb 4, 2009

Hmm.. restorative art? I take it that's painting people to make them look as if they could be alive and sleeping.. even though they've been dead a while, so they can be viewed with an open casket?

Xalioniaf · Feb 4, 2009

It's a fancy term for embalming. But it's a fancy term I'm using for now and forever more.

Zephayra · Feb 4, 2009

Ecks said:
Hmm.. restorative art? I take it that's painting people to make them look as if they could be alive and sleeping.. even though they've been dead a while, so they can be viewed with an open casket?

Xalioniaf said:
It's a fancy term for embalming. But it's a fancy term I'm using for now and forever more.

Restorative Art sounds cool...here's the description from my college:

The general topic of restorative art will be covered in each of its classifications as follows: reduction of swelling; treatment of emaciation; treatment of fractures and lacerations; treatment of erosion; cosmetics, professional and commercial. This course will include theory, demonstration and practice in simulated conditions. Students will develop some specific skills in each of the previously mentioned areas.

But really...I spent most of that class making a model head out of wax because we had to learn how to make facial features :/ Only in rare cases will you ever have to make an entire face out of wax. We didn't even get to really cover cosmetics which is a major part of it.

Lucki · Feb 4, 2009

All that reads to me as 'makeup artist'

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