Uganda to kill all gays with U.S congressional support

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Uganda considers death sentence for gay sex in bill before parliament

• Minimum penalty is life in jail, under anti-homosexuality bill
• US evangelists are main activists behind measure



As a gay Ugandan, Frank Mugisha has endured insults from strangers, hate messages on his phone, police harassment and being outed in a tabloid as one of the country's "top homos". That may soon seem like the good old days.

Life imprisonment is the minimum punishment for anyone convicted of having gay sex, under an anti-homosexuality bill currently before Uganda's parliament. If the accused person is HIV positive or a serial offender, or a "person of authority" over the other partner, or if the "victim" is under 18, a conviction will result in the death penalty.

Members of the public are obliged to report any homosexual activity to police with 24 hours or risk up to three years in jail – a scenario that human rights campaigners say will result in a witchhunt. Ugandans breaking the new law abroad will be subject to extradition requests.

"The bill is haunting us," said Mugisha, 25, chairman of Sexual Minorities Uganda, a coalition of local lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex groups that will all be banned under the law. "If this passes we will have to leave the country."

Human rights groups within and outside Uganda have condemned the proposed legislation, which is designed to strengthen colonial-era laws that already criminalise gay sex. The issue threatened to overshadow the Commonwealth heads of government meeting that ended in Trinidad and Tobagotoday, with the UK and Canada both expressing strong concerns. Ahead of the meeting Stephen Lewis, a former UN envoy on Aids in Africa, said the law "makes a mockery of Commonwealth principles" and has "a taste of fascism" about it.

But within Uganda deeply-rooted homophobia, aided by a US-linked evangelical campaign alleging that gay men are trying to "recruit" schoolchildren, and that homosexuality is a habit that can be "cured", has ensured widespread public support for the bill.

President Yoweri Museveni appeared to add his backing earlier this month, warning youths in Kampala that he had heard that "European homosexuals are recruiting in Africa", and saying gay relationships were against God's will.

"We used to say Mr and Mrs, but now it is Mr and Mr. What is that now?" he said. In a interview with the Guardian, James Nsaba Buturo, the minister of state for ethics and integrity, said the government was determined to pass the legislation, ideally before the end of 2009, even if meant withdrawing from international treaties and conventions such as the UN's Universal Declaration on Human Rights, and foregoing donor funding.

"We are talking about anal sex. Not even animals do that," Butoro said, adding that he was personally caring for six "former homosexuals" who had been traumatised by the experience. "We believe there are limits to human rights."

Homosexuality has always been a taboo subject in Uganda, and is considered by many to be an affront both to local culture and religion, which plays a strong role in family life. This negative stigma and the real threat of job loss means that no public personality has ever "come out".

Even local HIV campaigns – which have been heavily influenced by the evangelical church with a bias towards abstinence over condom use – have deliberately avoided targeting gay men for both prevention and access to treatment.

"This means many gay men here think Aids is a non-issue, which is so dangerous," said Mugisha, who together with a few colleagues, has risked arrest by agitating in recent years for a change in the HIV policy.

At the same time, some influential religious leaders have warned about the dangers of accepting liberal western attitudes towards homosexuality.

Both opponents and supporters agree that the impetus for the bill came in March during a seminar in Kampala to "expose the truth behind homosexuality and the homosexual agenda".

The main speakers were three US evangelists: Scott Lively, Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge. Lively is a noted anti-gay activist and president of Defend the Family International, a conservative Christian association, while Schmierer is an author who works with "homosexual recovery groups". Brundidge is a "sexual reorientation coach" at the International Healing Foundation.

The seminar was organised by Stephen Langa, a Ugandan electrician turned pastor who runs the Family Life Network in Kampala and has been spreading the message that gays are targeting schoolchildren for "conversion". "They give money to children to recruit schoolmates – once you have two children, the whole school is gone," he said in an interview. Asked if there had been any court case to prove this was happening, he replied: "No, that's why this law is needed."

After the conference Langa arranged for a petition signed by thousands of concerned parents to be delivered to parliament in April. Within a few months the bill had been drawn up.

Christopher Senyonjo, a retired Anglican bishop, said the bill would push Uganda towards being a police state. "This law is being influenced by some evangelicals abroad," he said. "There's a lack of understanding about homosexuality – it's not recruitment, it's orientation."

But among religious leaders of all faiths his is a rare voice. Langa, the pastor, said the only thing lacking in the legislation was a clause for "rehabilitation" of homosexuals, whom he "loves" and wants to help. Gay rights had the potential to destroy civilisation, as the west could soon find out, he said.

"As one parent told me: 'We would rather live in grass huts with our morality than in skyscrapers among homosexuals'."

If this bill passes, I hope all the Evangelicals/Congressmen who helped create it are brought up on charges of Crimes Against Humanity and are executed like the animals they are. :rant:
 
Wow...wtf. I've gotta agree with you. Send those US mother fuckers to live with them instead. Send the homos to America if they want. They'll still be the minority but at least they can fucking be themselves without having to worry about getting sentenced to death.
 
Rachel Maddow took on pray-away-the-gay fuckstick Richard Cohen on her show (video). He's part of the International Healing Foundation who helps spread their anti-gay idiocy with his books and discredited "research."

Where are you getting that it's being supported by members of the U.S. Congress? I think you meant "evangelical" instead of "congressional."
 
I saw this already. I don't really know what words to say. 1st nations better put the pressure on.
 
Ah, very interesting article. I had heard about this but was not well informed on some of the details. I can't believe the evangelicals have gone international. My International Human Rights class next semester is going to go ape shit over this lol.

Just adds to the long laundry list of horrible acts being done in the name of religion. So ridiculous. As if the death penalty and Christianity were some how compatible anyways. Do people even know their own religions anymore? Or maybe someone invented a convenient loop hole around the death penalty and homosexuals? International community needs to lay the smack down on this shit. Enough is enough.
 
Rachel Maddow took on pray-away-the-gay fuckstick Richard Cohen on her show (video). He's part of the International Healing Foundation who helps spread their anti-gay idiocy with his books and discredited "research."

Where are you getting that it's being supported by members of the U.S. Congress? I think you meant "evangelical" instead of "congressional."

I mean congressional. They mentioned them by name on CNN tonight.
 
Then you won't have a problem naming the same names here, then? I think any Congressman/woman would be committing political suicide by saying that homosexuals anywhere should deserve life imprisonment or death.

Are you sure you don't mean congregational?
 
Wow so they aren't happy with just pissing people off in their own country so they have to go to Uganda to persecute people? O.o This makes me sad. I hope that it doesn't pass for the sake of the people.
 
Then you won't have a problem naming the same names here, then? I think any Congressman/woman would be committing political suicide by saying that homosexuals anywhere should deserve life imprisonment or death.

Are you sure you don't mean congregational?

Gotta agree with TG here, no matter how many supporters you may have amongst the radical conservative "christians" any congressman/woman would be shooting themselves in the foot by providing any sort of support (monetary or otherwise) would condemn them to becoming fodder for their opponent.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if their were congressmen/women who agreed with this, but I'd love the names as they were broadcast - I also get the feeling that, should any member of Congress agree with this, there would be far wider media coverage on it, as I haven't heard about it.

Slightly more on topic, as disgusting as it is, it doesn't shock me. They use religion as a cover for their hatred, thinking because it's "God's Work" (or their idea of it) that they can't be touched. By the very definition of their God, they're contradicting everything He's supposed to stand for.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if their were congressmen/women who agreed with this, but I'd love the names as they were broadcast - I also get the feeling that, should any member of Congress agree with this, there would be far wider media coverage on it, as I haven't heard about it.

Agreed on both counts. Undoubtedly some would privately agree with this, but no Federal public official would be dumb enough to voice it publicly. Think O Brother, Where Art Thou?, and of Homer Stokes.

Slightly more on topic, as disgusting as it is, it doesn't shock me. They use religion as a cover for their hatred, thinking because it's "God's Work" (or their idea of it) that they can't be touched. By the very definition of their God, they're contradicting everything He's supposed to stand for.

it's not an idea of it, it's a perversion of it.
 
By the very definition of their God, they're contradicting everything He's supposed to stand for.

Yeah a lot of what the radicals do contradicts the word of their God, but you will never convince them of that, in their eyes their idea of what god wants is as infallible as their god itself

it makes me sad to hear stupid shit like this, no man has the right to dictate how another man lives their lives and honestly it shouldn't be any business of my government who I decide to stick my dick into and what hole it goes into. this is ridiculous and the government of Uganda should be ashamed of itself for stooping so such a low level
 
Yeah a lot of what the radicals do contradicts the word of their God, but you will never convince them of that, in their eyes their idea of what god wants is as infallible as their god itself

it makes me sad to hear stupid shit like this, no man has the right to dictate how another man lives their lives and honestly it shouldn't be any business of my government who I decide to stick my dick into and what hole it goes into. this is ridiculous and the government of Uganda should be ashamed of itself for stooping so such a low level

In "fairness", though, this is the nation that begot ""His Excellency President for Life, Field Marshal Al Hadji Doctor Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Conqueror of the British Empire."

Although that's not even entirely fair.
 
I mean congressional. They mentioned them by name on CNN tonight.

I'd like to see those names. They may be members of the Ugandan Congress, not the US Congress. US Congressmen have enough to be berated for without unjustly throwing this at their feet too.

Even if it is the case, it is the the Ugandan Congress that is making the law. Theirs is the opinion that needs to be swayed. Though I have to say, there is a small piece of the bill I could get behind:

If the accused person is HIV positive .....
 
This is repulsive. I'm sick to even think we live in a world where this type of thing is remotely even considered, much less implemented. What the hell is wrong with people that with everything happening all over on that continent, Uganda's big government priority is to punish homosexuality by imprisonment or death. I mean, the fact that people are starving, that AIDS is ravaging the whole continent, and that genocide is happening every day still in Darfur... There are more important things to worry about than who is having consensual sex behind closed doors.

I have to believe that Human Rights advocates are going to be all over this, and rightfully so. One can only hope that pressure from the right countries in the world will be enough to make them back down on this "legislation." Of course, you know and I know that if this motion is in the government already, then there's persecution going on now regardless of any law on the books.
 
I'd like to see those names. They may be members of the Ugandan Congress, not the US Congress. US Congressmen have enough to be berated for without unjustly throwing this at their feet too.

Even if it is the case, it is the the Ugandan Congress that is making the law. Theirs is the opinion that needs to be swayed. Though I have to say, there is a small piece of the bill I could get behind:

From the last sentence in your post, am I to assume you mean that you believe HIV positive people should be killed? I don't know if that's what you meant, but that's what I got from it.

Gay sex is the same as heterosexual sex. If you indulge in it, you risk getting whatever the other person has, regardless of contraception. The only way to guarentee you don't get AIDS is to stop having sex, and that's basically backing the whole idea.

Ignore this if I'm wrong about what you said, but if that's what you meant, I fail to see how you can be against some parts but for that.
 
I like that HIV related idea, and think it should probably apply to everyone, gay and straight, but not so much the idea of putting gays in prison for life for having sex with eachother. I mean come on, straight people do it in the ass too. What else am I supposed to do when the girl is on the rag? Wait!? No no.

When the river flows, use the old dirt road is what I always say!

Oh and to quote a great Canadian, "There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation."
 
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Well if this does happen to pass, it should enrage enough people to significantly push the gay movement. America would almost need to step up and start showing affection toward homosexuals otherwise I could see people saying that Congress wants gays to go the way of the dead gay uganadans.
 
There is really something wrong with you people supporting the "HIV" portion of this foul mess. The fact is that the AIDS crisis in Africa is largely caused by unsafe heterosexual sex, not homosexual sex. Which stands to sense seeing the homosexual population is in the minority.

The problem with HIV there is that it has gotten so out of control that husbands or wives that cheat are bringing it home and giving it to their spouse, children are being born into it, and obviously there is a lot of unprotected sex happening, gay and straight. Not everyone who has AIDS there had a choice in the matter. To say people that have contracted it should be executed is really fucked up. And I don't care what their sexual orientation is.
 
This is going to turn into a witch hunt. Shouting out "HE'S A GAY!!" to anyone who you disagree with or just don't like.

I can't believe they would actually kill people for being gay.

They said US evangelists had a hand in this, being gay doesn't break a commandment. You know what does? Killing people.

The fact is that the AIDS crisis in Africa is largely caused by unsafe heterosexual sex, not homosexual sex.

That and a huge amount of heteroxsexual rape, (which we know never has condoms involved). You can't fault a woman for getting aids after being raped.
 
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