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US draft bill to be introduced to congress
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I hope the draft doesn't go through, got enough americans in my country as it is. Canada is about as good on americans as you guys are on mexicans.
=P j/k
But really pull out of Iraq let it implode, focus your troops on Iran and N Korea. It's already been proven they have no WMD's Carry onto the ones who are actually a threat. Theres no WAY an RPG can hit USA from Iraq...But an ICBM is a bit different...
Sadly since we have you guys growing off our butt a nuke on you is just as bad news for us....
I hope the draft doesn't go through, got enough americans in my country as it is. Canada is about as good on americans as you guys are on mexicans.
=P j/k
But really pull out of Iraq let it implode, focus your troops on Iran and N Korea. It's already been proven they have no WMD's Carry onto the ones who are actually a threat. Theres no WAY an RPG can hit USA from Iraq...But an ICBM is a bit different...
Sadly since we have you guys growing off our butt a nuke on you is just as bad news for us....
Halifirien said:
He isn't describing threats against just the US, rather all non-musslim countries, including those peace-loving and guiltless(/sarcasm) canadians and europeans. Generally speaking if someone says they are going to get a gun and blow you away, it's probably intelligent to take them at their word. And George Bush didn't cause this as you somewhat implied, Iran has been a major world problem run by fascist fanatics for half a century, to chalk up their agressive behavior entirely to the "axis of evil" comment is baseless.
as for them being stupid or crazy, either remains to be seen at this point. Personally I tend to ere on the side of caution and assume the worst and take people at their word. I'm not proposing an invasion or anything of that nature, but we must recognize the threat posed by this country and it's leader and not just dismiss them as a non threat to reasonable to utilize nuclear technology.
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Fonzy said:
I wasn't doing that. I'm just pointing out it didn't help the situation.
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Aither said:
The reason for invasion and our staying isn't WMDs but I wouldn't expect a Canadian to know that :/ There is a new movie comming out to inform you people. A lot of goodies you don't see on T.V. but need too check it out: http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/ Can't believe Fox of all people hosted a special on it, if anything I would have figured they'd covered the movie up.
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No, it really was your reason for invasion. You were touting all this evidence prior to military action on the news and in the UN. Your Mission CHANGED to "restoring democracy" after you discovered that, whoops, he didnt have anything.Strid said:
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Strid said:
Um dude..(did i just say dude?) That is THE reason for your invasion given and said to the entire planet over and over and over before shifting gear when they realized saddamn had no wmd left. Of course many say the real reason was for oil/money and honstely it does make perfect sense considering how rich bush and cheny cronies profited from the war and the obsession with securing the iraqui oil.
The plan of going in under the claim they were going to remove Wmd was a pretty sure plan considering they were the ones that gave him the WMD technology to use. It inspired a ton of standup comedy about how bush knows saddamn has WMD cause his daddy gave them to him.
Anyway get back on topic and thats a reason not to have a draft if many people such as yourself are beleiveing such obvious bullshit. Changing your reasons for going in months, not even days ,but months after going into an extended war is the most obvious lie one can makeup. If the people are told these lies and beleive them so readily they can easily be ok with being sent to some other random country under false pretenses instead of being informed about what its truly about. If people are sent /carted off to war they NEED to know the real reasons they are fighting, not a bunch of lies.
Yeah that movie and the show glenn beck just did should show you what we are really up against. They fight us with a religious cause. We fight them with political correctness. Iran isn't someone who should have anything nuclear. Our troops might get boosted in Iraq. The origional suggested amount was something like 700,000. The new head of the marines want to increase there branch from 180,000 enlisted. The only problem with that is recruitment numbers are down due to Iraq. People aren't exactly lining up knowing where they might get sent off to.
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Marajade said:
Get it right! The mission changed because Saddam didn't fill out his paperwork. We got that nice "Gulf of Tonkin"-style resolution in Congress authorizing the use of force if he didn't let in the weapons inspectors, and then there was weeks of watching white broncos driving around the desert and not finding anything but crumbling old munitions.
"Ah ha! He's obviously hidden them too well! His invoices said he had this many weapons but the logs of him destroying them says he didn't get them all! Time to invade!"
Just because you're an iron-fisted despot who treats your people horribly, it doesn't give you an excuse to shirk the bureaucracy. You think those TPS reports fill themselves out? Better to replace him with someone who takes it seriously. Swingline Staplers for everyone.
"Restoring democracy" was just an excuse to parachute Lumbergh in under cover of darkness.
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Marajade said:
Why would we go to Afghanistan for a WMD invasion? mmmmmkay. That's were it all started, not Iraq. Iraq is just a good excuse to get a decent spot in fighting the "War on Terror". It's not a war against Iraq or a war to bring democracy to Iraq. It's much bigger than that. WMD's was a just good excuse to GO TO Iraq FROM Afghanistan and get back at what had been hendering us in Afghanistan, Saddam's "goon platoons". With the current way this country is, leaders can't just be like, "Hokay so uh these ppls putz teh hurting on us whilzt wes try to fite sum pplz so uh we go get um bak, k?" So you need an excuse. However, the news gives you the excuse and the majority of people tend to buy it then pick it apart failing to realize the whole point in the first place. Learn2look further than the printed lines, nothing the U.S. military does is straight forward, no b.s. Our world is to weak stomached for that.
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Strid said:
Maybe they should try, and accept it when the people tell them to fuck off and refuse to support their bullshit
(And I'd gun down any politician who spoke like that. "Saddam is a total noob with the haxorz!")
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Zing!!
Strid said:
The only reason USA is in Afgan is because NYC go lolpwned by 747's.
The only 2 reasons you are in Iraq is:
1) Oil
2) GWB Jr. trying to avenge daddy's failure in desert shield/storm.
Sure jr. got Saddam but look at the cost....and for what? No WMD's and this
http://antiwar.com/casualties/
Pull out, you failed, you can't kill an idea....
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Afghanistan was a direct revenge attack for 9/11. Al'Queda and the Taliban were directly responsible for the attacks, and you hit them back. Iraq was a seperate invasion alltogether, for seperatly defined reasons, given at the time of action.Strid said:
"War on Terror" is just an umbrella excuse thats being used. And while it has legitimacy in Afghanistan, it holds much less in Iraq, and will hold even less the next time its used to justify an invasion of an independant country.
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Strid said:
The people in this topic were referring to Iraq not Afganistan so where the fuck are you getting afganistan as the topic from? Afganistan was a legitimate war that noone had a real problem with outside of Al quaeda.
Also dont try to use "internets" speak for responses. Typing like you're texting or IMing somone just tends to make the person doing so look like an idiot.
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Halifirien said:
We should try, and seriously (not in leet speak or bad taste), that's my main problem with how our government runs today. If they'd just come out and give the information to what is truthfully going on, publicly, and not sugar coat it I wouldn't have to try and explain half the information not being read, obviously, in this thread.
For the rest of you. I'm not repeating myself to ever further hear your barricaded thoughts on what really is going on. Furthermore, I'm not even going to begin to carry on with someone who can't even spell Saddam or catch sarcasm. To mention oil is to be ignorant, to mention money, an even worse word. To call the invasion of Iraq a whole new invasion, or seperate war in relations, is to not look at the big picture, or grand scheme if you will. You all just skipped or chose not to accept the majority of what I said and for that I'm glad to say I'm arguing with Candians, not Americans.
Marajade, the only decently responding of the three, I know you're intelligent, unlike your other two country men present themselves, but I strongly urge you to re-read what I have said in the past and think big picture. For you, I'll clear my stance on Iraq, as it is now. I do not think we need to be there, now. We needed to go over there after Afghanistan because while in Afghanistan, we had some trouble from Saddam. To take his crap would have been bad for further continuation in fighting facism in his area. WMD's was just an excuse, we needed one because down here, in America, they have to sugar coat and lie to keep people semi supportive. As bad luck would have it, Bush is a terrible story teller and his administration fails at reporting. The lie bites him in the ass and leaves people knowing something else is going on and run with the ideas at their descretion. The reason we are still there is because it is a good place to remain to fight the facist. It's in the heart of all the trouble. Is it right for them to be there? Who can say for sure, but my opinion is no. We should be posted somewhere deserted or in a less populated/popular area.
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Hey guys, sure, let's recall all the troops and let the radicals reclaim and just replace Suddam with another Jihad Joe that'll cause more deaths in the long term. You Canucks sure know how to settle things right. B)
Thats why we're there. We're not there for the "War on Terror" anymore. We're there to prevent a civil war that'll just make things worse than they were beforehand. If you think the Solider casualties are high, you'd shit yourself over what civilian casualties would be if we weren't there. And hey, they'd just be getting murdered for being part of a different branch of Islam - not because they're an enemy of the country. Going in was a mistake, no one doubts that. Leaving it as it is now would be a larger mistake.
Seriously, read a news paper sometime guys, and ignore the sensationalist "omfg troops are dying bush is hitler" horseshit.
Thats why we're there. We're not there for the "War on Terror" anymore. We're there to prevent a civil war that'll just make things worse than they were beforehand. If you think the Solider casualties are high, you'd shit yourself over what civilian casualties would be if we weren't there. And hey, they'd just be getting murdered for being part of a different branch of Islam - not because they're an enemy of the country. Going in was a mistake, no one doubts that. Leaving it as it is now would be a larger mistake.
Seriously, read a news paper sometime guys, and ignore the sensationalist "omfg troops are dying bush is hitler" horseshit.
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