US Election!

Celvantes said:
I was going to put a lot of words down here, but then I happened across one of the weekly ramblings of my favorite author. Naturally, since he gets paid to write, he says this a lot better than I would have:
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I'll have whatever Card is drinking. That's so far out there it's hard to know where to start, so I'll just say "Bullshit" to the idea that Bush is a wise and just leader. Makes my stomach turn to hear someone gush about him that much.

Excalibur said:
Humans are the only ones with a consciense. Animals don't feel bad if they piss on the rug and they know it's wrong. They might feel bad cause they know they're going to get hit, but that's about it.
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Heh. You're reinforcing my point and you don't even realize it. A big part of human morality is realizing you're going to get hit -- physically, mentally or socially -- for doing something wrong, but we've been making up the rules about what's right and wrong since we were in the caves. Like I said, that process doesn't require an immortal soul.
 
The reason why Ron Paul does so poorly in polls, and ultimately why he won't win, is because his supporters aren't the right kind of people. They aren't the kind of people that get phoned up for polling. They aren't the kind of people that actually go out and vote. They're college-aged people.
 
Most of Obama's supporters are that age too.
 
Most of Ron Paul's campaign momentum is fabricated by his internet supporters. That's why people are surprised at how poorly he fares in polls, because his abysmal numbers (I'm talking single digit figures here) don't match the hype. Now whether these supporters actually turn out to vote should he win a spot on the national ballot, or whether they'll be distracted my a sudden game of hacky sack remains to be seen.

That's why the endorsement of a young voter is generally a poor one - they're too wishy-washy and nonchalant to political discourse. It's fantastic that a college kid tells people they feel so passionately about "X" candidate because of political ideology "Y". Oh and people will think them so worldy and well-informed and really a character of outstanding sensibility. But you still have to you know... take time out of your busy whatever-it-is-you-do schedule to vote. This is why I believe Clinton stands a better chance of besting Obama. She has all the right demographics in her favour (last I checked she was even leading amongst African-American voters, and by a considerable margin too). Clinton has prominent numbers amongst the poor, the elderly, the affluent; people who have actual interest and stakes in the outcome. Obama has college students and Oprah. But polls have definitely been wrong before... And Hilary does have that whole "Oh I don't like her because she looks like a bitch and someone without a penis obviously can't make military decisions" sort of affair going on, so who knows? As a Sydney-sider, I won't be voting :p

In relation to Ron Paul, I can see that he would make some members of his party very nervous, as a couple of his ideas and policies are not quite as demoni- I mean... not perfectly aligned with the Republican agenda. All I'm saying is that like it or not, polarity and party unity are important in a two party preferred system. The party will aim to support a safe candidate who will bow when asked to, not one with esoteric gimmicks - who enterprises to do nothing outside of what the constitution states.
 
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Okay, man. We'll see what happens in New Hampshire. I'm betting he'll get 15% or more. =P
 
That's why watching the coverage of Hillary's campaign is interesting. If she shows no emotion, then she's a ballbusting harpy out to castrate all the menfolk. If she does show emotion -- like she did yesterday -- then she's a girly-girl who'll get cooties all over the White House and burst into tears if Bin Laden does something awful.

Keep that glass ceiling intact, boys.
 
Excalibur said:
Animals don't feel bad if they piss on the rug and they know it's wrong. They might feel bad cause they know they're going to get hit, but that's about it.
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Same thing could be said about babies, kids and most people that break the law.
 
Halifirien said:
Heh. You're reinforcing my point and you don't even realize it. A big part of human morality is realizing you're going to get hit -- physically, mentally or socially -- for doing something wrong, but we've been making up the rules about what's right and wrong since we were in the caves. Like I said, that process doesn't require an immortal soul.
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I see what you're saying now, it just took me a little while. I don't know if I agree with it, but I see where you're coming from. Somethin for me to think about I guess.
 
Excalibur said:
I see what you're saying now, it just took me a little while. I don't know if I agree with it, but I see where you're coming from. Somethin for me to think about I guess.
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QCDN - Lifechanging.
 
Bustaballs said:
Okay, man. We'll see what happens in New Hampshire. I'm betting he'll get 15% or more. =P
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Sorry man.

Associated Press said:
Republicans (99% reporting)
John Mccain 37
Mitt Romney 31
Mike Huckabee 11
Rudy Giuliani 9
Ron Paul 8
Total Write In 2
Fred Thompson 1
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Interestingly enough, Romney currently leads the number of total convention votes (24)... and these are the only things that matter when it comes time to actually choose the nominee. If the winner keeps fluctuating between the other candidates, Romney could come in close second each time and still win the overall race.
 
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Yeah. My love for New Hampshire died. I'm waiting until the 5th before making any final decisions but if it doesn't get any better, I'll have lost all hope for this country.
 
We seriously need an "Election 2008" mega-thread. I think there are 3-4 now that I'm bouncing around.
 
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