wackygamer said:
Maybe you missed something
FFXI WINDOWED IS NOT AN OPTION FOR SE. Did you get that one. If its not part of the game or endorsed its cheating what is your problem with reading.
Maybe you missed something
FFXI WINDOWED IS NOT AN OPTION FOR SE. Did you get that one. If its not part of the game or endorsed its cheating what is your problem with reading.
While I do find it annoying to have to logout if I want to check allakhazam or somepage, I have to say . . . Windower isn't really that useful. I for one am far more concerned by the fact that it's a "gateway drug" for people who are going to start botting. If anyone thinks SE is being thick, consider that position. They HAVE to hardline it, because if they allow you to surf the web while lfg, it's not a huge step to let you bot-fish or mine while lfg; after all, you aren't taking anything away from anyone else. You could even find justification in the amount of time you have to put in to do well in the game.
Like it or not, there's SOLID logic behind SE's crackdown on windower users, whether it makes it easier to cheat in and of itself or simply trains people to use 3rd party engines.
If you need something to do while you wait, pick up a book. If you don't understand the points I made, make that book the Republic by Plato.
Like it or not, there's SOLID logic behind SE's crackdown on windower users, whether it makes it easier to cheat in and of itself or simply trains people to use 3rd party engines.
If you need something to do while you wait, pick up a book. If you don't understand the points I made, make that book the Republic by Plato.
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Valoran said:
Overkill much? Someone's taking a program that lets you alt+tab out of a video game a little bit too seriously... :roll:
wow its cheating to play in a window, why dont I get a 13inch tv next to my pc.. with a ps2.. then I'll get the same effect -_-
FFXI should have had a window mode from day 1. End of F'ing story!
A PC is designed to multitask many programs at once. To force 1 of those apps to basically hi-jack your computer into a forced fullscreen is functionally retarded! Every MMO out there besides FFXI can run in a windowed mode. Does your PS2 run hypertext transport protocals for web browsers? NO!! Does your PS2 multitask on an operating system? NO!! With that said; is there a need for a windower on PS2? HELL NO!! This may surprise you, but a PC is just a pinch different than a PS2. An app on a PC needs to give the user control to operate other apps. That's where it ends... there IS no argument!! Screaming "It's 3rd party!!!" over and over again doesn't change the fact that someone picked up the slack where SE fell on their face. FFXI is a great game, but from a design perspective it's a poorly built application.
Now, the TParty plugin IS cheating. TParty effects the gameplay DIRECTLY (Just to review, the windower is for easing the use of your computer, not the game). The game was meant for players to communicate their TP to each other by typing or by macros, not by a display readout. Ever since I saw what TParty was capable of, it never sat right with me because it's blantantly cheating. It's undeniable.
And as far as a windower opening doors for other hacks/cheats... You don't need to run a windower to multitask cheats with FFXI. Sure it makes it easier, but honestly... it's not going to stop anyone. To draw a parallel... The freedom of speech enables people to insult, upset, and offend others. But you don't revoke that freedom just to keep people from hurting others now do you?
I hate cheaters with a passion just as much as anyone... Gil buyers/Sellers, packet sniffers, etc... it's all destroying this game for people who want to play it honestly and by the rules. But the windower doesn't fall into this catigory. Like I said before, it's for easing the operation of your computer, not for playing the game with an extra "edge."
To agree with a previous post; If looking up maps and info about the game online while you play is cheating, then anyone playing on a PS2 with a guide or laptop with them is cheating as well.
And with that... I'm late for the party. Adieu
A PC is designed to multitask many programs at once. To force 1 of those apps to basically hi-jack your computer into a forced fullscreen is functionally retarded! Every MMO out there besides FFXI can run in a windowed mode. Does your PS2 run hypertext transport protocals for web browsers? NO!! Does your PS2 multitask on an operating system? NO!! With that said; is there a need for a windower on PS2? HELL NO!! This may surprise you, but a PC is just a pinch different than a PS2. An app on a PC needs to give the user control to operate other apps. That's where it ends... there IS no argument!! Screaming "It's 3rd party!!!" over and over again doesn't change the fact that someone picked up the slack where SE fell on their face. FFXI is a great game, but from a design perspective it's a poorly built application.
Now, the TParty plugin IS cheating. TParty effects the gameplay DIRECTLY (Just to review, the windower is for easing the use of your computer, not the game). The game was meant for players to communicate their TP to each other by typing or by macros, not by a display readout. Ever since I saw what TParty was capable of, it never sat right with me because it's blantantly cheating. It's undeniable.
And as far as a windower opening doors for other hacks/cheats... You don't need to run a windower to multitask cheats with FFXI. Sure it makes it easier, but honestly... it's not going to stop anyone. To draw a parallel... The freedom of speech enables people to insult, upset, and offend others. But you don't revoke that freedom just to keep people from hurting others now do you?
I hate cheaters with a passion just as much as anyone... Gil buyers/Sellers, packet sniffers, etc... it's all destroying this game for people who want to play it honestly and by the rules. But the windower doesn't fall into this catigory. Like I said before, it's for easing the operation of your computer, not for playing the game with an extra "edge."
To agree with a previous post; If looking up maps and info about the game online while you play is cheating, then anyone playing on a PS2 with a guide or laptop with them is cheating as well.
And with that... I'm late for the party. Adieu
wackygamer said:
What do you not understand? Its the program that is not alowed? Is the hard to grasp? You can have a PS2 and a Computer side by side thats not the point. The point is the god damn program? Now do you understand?
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makes me glad I play with crappy PS2 version and my computer is across the hall in another room
but aside from that... I was always under the impression that windower just minimized your FFXI screen so you could mult. task while playing at the same time? Am I wrong in thinking this?
makes me glad I play with crappy PS2 version and my computer is across the hall in another room
but aside from that... I was always under the impression that windower just minimized your FFXI screen so you could mult. task while playing at the same time? Am I wrong in thinking this?
maybe if SE made FFXI able to be windowed, then people wouldnt develop a Windower, its not my fault .. but I like to do many things at once .. while using my Pc, not just play FFXI.. so using ffxi in a window is a cheat.. , haha Tyran if you say its a cheat, then I guess your right... (you need to take a chill pill dude, and if your really fired up about this... do something... cuz no one would be using windower, if it was implemented into the game itself ^^ ; ) end of story
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One of the things that really bugged me here was the way the GM acted towards the player. Every time he requested getting a lighter sentance for giving out the information all he got back was a termination threat. And his question of "Who else will be getting suspended for using the windower" is valid, but almost everytime the player said something, the threat of termination came up. Makes me wonder if the GMs are here to help us or just attempt to terminate our account.
If I were him I'd be sending in a letter to SE about the way the GM handles the situations...but then again I'm sure everyone already feels this way. *shrugs*
If I were him I'd be sending in a letter to SE about the way the GM handles the situations...but then again I'm sure everyone already feels this way. *shrugs*
Devi said:
That's the only logical explanation I can come to.....we have a mole in our ranks.
Hmm.. well, I don't have a problem with windower... but I'm gonna disable the TParty option... anyone mind informing me of how to do so? 
removing it in the ini file
Shyrra said:Hmm.. well, I don't have a problem with windower... but I'm gonna disable the TParty option... anyone mind informing me of how to do so?
Go in to the "Scripts" folder and open "init" in Notepad
4th set of variables reads
Just simply remove "load TParty"
Tyran said:
No, we're all stupid and can't understand that you dislike 3rd party programming. We get it.
People also ferverently believe there are aliens walking among us, that 9/11 was a government black op for reasons to go to war with Iraq (see operation northwood), and all sorts of other wacky things...
So sure, whatever you say is the golden gospel.
Thanks a ton Skaw!
Asplode said:
All im sayin is the people want SE to come down on bots using 3rdPP and the when it come to them using a 3rdPP its ok. Why cant people play the game for the game. So you wait while your lookin for a party. Do you wait in line at the bank on friday afternoon? Just play.
FFXI = Video Game, Not life
wackygamer said:
and.............so. do you not understand comperisons. You wait in life you wait in the game.
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Tyran, all you've done is whine about it being a third party program. We all know this, we don't care. You keep saying play it like it was meant to be played, or play it just for the game. I played XI for over a year without a windower, and the entire time I hated the fact that while I was sitting lfg or something, that I couldn't use my computer for anything else. I "played it like it was supposed to be played," and once I got a windower, the game got FAR more tolerable when there was nothing happening. I haven't used the windower for cheating, but I have used it to do homework, check maps/quests, talk to friends via aim, all while XI has been running. Or my best and by far most illegal use of the windower yet, while lfg, I've watched an episode of an anime.Tyran said:
Yes, it's through a third party program, but I would have done it if the windower had come standard. We don't all have a second computer or the PS2 version to use so that we can actually DO something while we wait in jeuno. Forgive me if I find sitting in town staring at my chat log waiting for "XXXX invites you to join a party" boring as hell. WoW incorporated the windower into the game at the launch, and you don't see people bitching about it being used for cheating, do you?
Until you actually say something other than "it's illegal" or "it's a third party program," both of which everyone already knows and acknowledges, just shut up. You haven't contributed a damn thing to this thread besides pointing out the obvious repeatedly. Yes, if you use the windower to cheat, you should be punished, because you're cheating. If you're using it so that you can actually use your computer while you have XI up, it's not. I can't think of a single way that me writting a lab report could be considered cheating.
I dont see why you keep defending this, playing in a window doesnt hurt anyone or anything. Many games can be played in a window, why cant FFXI?