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As the time for FFXIV comes closer...we're taking a look at how the site will be structured and would certainly like feedback from our users in regards to the FFXI section and what you'd personally like to see either kept for changed.

One thing to touch on would be the flameboard. Do we keep it for XIV and XI? XI only? XIV only? Adjust the rules so it's not so dramatic? Adjust the rules so it IS dramatic? Let's hear some thoughts!
 
Make the flameboard not suck like it used to.
 
Really constructive there, TW.

In the earlier days of FFXI, there wasn't a necessity for a "no real-life identifiable information" rule because there weren't many people who literally knew each other outside the game (or thought they knew). In the latter days, the lines were blurred, and "your mom" or "you're retarded" jokes became touchy subjects.

If anything in respect to the flameboard, I'd loosen some rules up a little bit in terms of reported posts, or what I like to call "benefit of the doubt reporting".

i.e.

User A posts a Flameboard topic about a piece-of-shit player, User B.
User B posts his response, and in the spirit of this example fails miserably.
Users C-X jump on the bandwagon of User A.
User A posts a counter-response to User B.
User B replies with "yeah, well, your mother", or "go die in a fire", or "I bet I could kick ur ass in RL lets go bitch".
User A reports the post with either "my mother's dead" or "does QCDN condone murder/arson?" or "omg he's stalking me".

Logically, I think we can assume that User B does not literally *want* User A dead (maybe he does, but whatever, it's between the two of them). By the guidelines currently in-place, User B would be slapped with an infraction/RO/Ban.

It's the flameboard; it's not meant for the weak of heart. Now yes, there are exceptions to the letter of the law. I realize that saying something like "I will skullfuck your babies, you whore" or "I will hunt you down and stab you in the neck with an icepick" is just a [sarcasm]little[/sarcasm] more vicious than "die in a fire". Posts like that absolutely deserve infractions or outright bans. In this respect, I think it comes down to moderator/administration discretion and telling the rest of the userbase to piss off, and either trust the staff, or get the fuck off the site.

If QCDN is to have the Internet variation of the Maury Povich Show, then we can't be politically correct in an area that's supposed to satisfy people's bloodlust for retard drama.
 
Actually the rules for RL stuff isn't too too complicated and truthfully there haven't been much around lately. For the most part, if someone says something like "die in a fire" or something like that I'm at the point where I don't even consider it a threat, just some PC+1 and it's subject to deletion (however I've been lightening up on PC+1s there as well).

There are two main problems when it came to real life stuff in the flameboard. One was threats from people who did know eachother irl or through a meet or something. An example would be one user who sent a very threatening PM to another because of a flameboard post and mentioned the fan meet for FFXI saying something similar to "I hope we see eachother again at the FFXI meet, I'll make sure you go home in a wheelchair". That's not exactly something that can be looked over. The second portion that I look to avoid is posts made from our Reality Bites forum that somehow made their way into the flameboard. It should be fairly obvious why that would make sense to avoid that.

Other then that, the flameboard is stale right now because there's no good flames. Long gone are the innocent days of MMOs in my opinion. They seem to have been overrun with botting endgame shells and gilbuyers who don't really know how to equip themselves and don't care what other people think. How do you flame someone who doesn't give a patooty?
 
Other then that, the flameboard is stale right now because there's no good flames. Long gone are the innocent days of MMOs in my opinion. They seem to have been overrun with botting endgame shells and gilbuyers who don't really know how to equip themselves and don't care what other people think. How do you flame someone who doesn't give a patooty?
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@ everything else in your post, I defer to "moderator/administration discretion".


Also I think the best thing you ever did for the Flameboard is making posts there not count toward total postcount.
 
I gives good user input?!
 
If QCDN is to have the Internet variation of the Maury Povich Show, then we can't be politically correct in an area that's supposed to satisfy people's bloodlust for retard drama.

I think "bloodlust" is slightly over-dramatic, but okay. It was fun when people were allowed to be sarcastic assholes without their posts being modded and deleted, so sarcastic assholes like myself could find common ground. If sarcastic assholes aren't allowed to be sarcastic assholes in the only area of this site where sarcastic assholes post, then where is the excitement?

You wanted "user input", so there it is. Seeing as how this post went four days without a single response, I think the sad silence has spoken for itself.
 
Also I think the best thing you ever did for the Flameboard is making posts there not count toward total postcount.

Double post, yeah yeah.

Has anybody honestly ever cared about their postcount? I know the reputation thing was everybody's pissing contest for a good long while, but in the 6 years that I've contributed virtually nothing valuable to this site, I've never once seen someone brag about their PC. Without looking at my avatar, I couldn't even tell you the first number of mine.
 
I think "bloodlust" is slightly over-dramatic, but okay. It was fun when people were allowed to be sarcastic assholes without their posts being modded and deleted, so sarcastic assholes like myself could find common ground. If sarcastic assholes aren't allowed to be sarcastic assholes in the only area of this site where sarcastic assholes post, then where is the excitement?

You wanted "user input", so there it is. Seeing as how this post went four days without a single response, I think the sad silence has spoken for itself.

Well as I mentioned earlier, I know I've sort of lightened up on the PC+1 deletions unless they are painfully stupid. Sarcastic remarks are fun in threads that aren't on the larger side of the grand flame scale. And sarcastic assholes can be sarcastic assholes in the OMGWTFBBQ forum now. That's what it's there for too.

I do appreciate the input you gave. It does help as I know we will be contemplating updated rules for the flameboard when XIV comes out and we move over to that game. Your added input to this thread has secured at least a discussion on the rules and changes to possibly come. If you hadn't said anything then it's likely we wouldn't revisit them, so again I thank you for your input!

Double post, yeah yeah.

Has anybody honestly ever cared about their postcount? I know the reputation thing was everybody's pissing contest for a good long while, but in the 6 years that I've contributed virtually nothing valuable to this site, I've never once seen someone brag about their PC. Without looking at my avatar, I couldn't even tell you the first number of mine.

I've seen a few brags here and there about post counts. Mostly when they were visible through the the AJAX hack on the forum homepage with the top 10 users with highest post count. Though that was back in some of the glory days and not so much recently.
 
I think "bloodlust" is slightly over-dramatic, but okay. It was fun when people were allowed to be sarcastic assholes without their posts being modded and deleted, so sarcastic assholes like myself could find common ground. If sarcastic assholes aren't allowed to be sarcastic assholes in the only area of this site where sarcastic assholes post, then where is the excitement?

You wanted "user input", so there it is. Seeing as how this post went four days without a single response, I think the sad silence has spoken for itself.


See? Any press is good press Tim ol' buddy :-)
 
See? Any press is good press Tim ol' buddy :-)

Well, I do appreciate it. I'm not trying to do your job by any means, but in my not-so-humble opinion, the flameboard was better when it was in it's roots. Clearly, there was more drama, more users, more material back then, but that doesn't mean it has to suffer. Go back to the skeleton set of rules that were in place: No RL information, No 'serious' RL threats (Myrrh used to inform me that he was going to "skullfuck" me on a daily basis; my only tears were those of laughter), and a few others to keep people under the umbrella but not herded together like a flock of sheep.

Banned users are another issue. If someone isn't breaking one of the golden rules, why ban them from the site? I feel like too many times people were banned because the mob wanted them to be (the mob is fickle) and not because they actually did something wrong (And I'll be the first to admit I was a part of a few mob established witch hunts myself). Sometimes the jackasses are what makes the site attractive, and more importantly, fun. Isn't that why were all here in the first place? My churches php forum gets more rowdy than this place is now (jokes, I'd never go to church).

In the end, this is a message board about a video game. Treat it as such. I'd like to think that of all people, Miros would've learned at this point that you will never, ever, everrrrr please everybody. Leave it loosely moderated, make sure there is no foul play going on, and let people enjoy themselves, or let them be pissed off and cause a ruckus. Preferably the latter.

Can I get a 'hell yeah'?
 
The problem with banned users being banned outright despite not breaking a "golden rule" is simply because they normally wouldn't keep their colorful commentary to one area of the boards...like in the Flameboard. The other issue comes with, if we restrict access to the flameboard, sometimes the user would post "lolRestrictedFBAccess" or something similar elsewhere, making light of the situation. Similarly, there were the grand instances of people shitting in Good Times threads.

Either way,

hell yeah.
 
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