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Sanoske said:
It was Agent Smith.
It was Agent Smith.
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Alright, somewhat late, but I just saw this last night, and it was great.
Hit sort of close to home too in the end where the people marched to the parliament and the troops were ordered to stand down.
I was 16 years old when the Berlin Wall came down, I was there that night, and it was much like in the movie (which makes me wonder whether it was partially inspired by the events of the November 9th 1989.
East Germany wasn't leaderless per se, but communication channels were saturated and we didn't have modern communications at the time, mainly radio comms and old phone lines. At 6:57 pm the East German Information Minister annouced on live TV that the borders are open. Of course no one bothered to tell the border guard troops about it because even though the guy said it on TV, the parliament hadn't actually passed that piece of legislation yet, which was a minor detail no one told the Information Minister.
The plan was to open the borders at 4am on the 10th, so there would be enough time to inform all branches of the government. But he read it on live TV, so it was done.
Hundred thousands of Berliners took to the streets and toward the border. Border guards didn't know what was happening, and the East German border was obviously heavily fortified and so people were at first stuck with nowhere to go as the guards wouldn't let them pass, and more people were pushing from behind. Imagine an 8 lane highway, and now fill it with people, so many people that there was nothing but heads visible. That it what it looked like Unter den Linden, the street that leads up to the Brandenburger Tor.
The man of the hour, or that night really, was the East German Lieutenant General in charge of securing the inner-city border with West Berlin. This is a little known fact, one that history as such has mostly forgotten as it wasn't deemed important, through it saved countless lives imho.
Sometime between 18:57 and 22:00 the man ordered that those troops who are to relief the previous watch, as well as the reinforcements, are to move out unarmed. When the watch changed at 22:00, armed border guards who had been holding the line and did for the most part not let anyone pass, were replaced with unarmed guards. By that time the situation at the checkpoints had become tense as many were there for a couple of hours already, unable to move either which way.
Minutes after 22:00 the new watch opened the gates of all checkpoints between East Berlin and West Berlin and people were allowed to freely move across the border.
That's the story as it happened, I was there that night, and I made it across the border, had a look around, and was back home at 3am.
Anyway, watching the march of the people in V brought back those memories big time - touching moment.
The only thing that's unfortunate about any of the Wachowski movies is that they have to taint everything with their religious crap. First Matrix, now V, it's getting old.
Hit sort of close to home too in the end where the people marched to the parliament and the troops were ordered to stand down.
I was 16 years old when the Berlin Wall came down, I was there that night, and it was much like in the movie (which makes me wonder whether it was partially inspired by the events of the November 9th 1989.
East Germany wasn't leaderless per se, but communication channels were saturated and we didn't have modern communications at the time, mainly radio comms and old phone lines. At 6:57 pm the East German Information Minister annouced on live TV that the borders are open. Of course no one bothered to tell the border guard troops about it because even though the guy said it on TV, the parliament hadn't actually passed that piece of legislation yet, which was a minor detail no one told the Information Minister.
The plan was to open the borders at 4am on the 10th, so there would be enough time to inform all branches of the government. But he read it on live TV, so it was done.
Hundred thousands of Berliners took to the streets and toward the border. Border guards didn't know what was happening, and the East German border was obviously heavily fortified and so people were at first stuck with nowhere to go as the guards wouldn't let them pass, and more people were pushing from behind. Imagine an 8 lane highway, and now fill it with people, so many people that there was nothing but heads visible. That it what it looked like Unter den Linden, the street that leads up to the Brandenburger Tor.
The man of the hour, or that night really, was the East German Lieutenant General in charge of securing the inner-city border with West Berlin. This is a little known fact, one that history as such has mostly forgotten as it wasn't deemed important, through it saved countless lives imho.
Sometime between 18:57 and 22:00 the man ordered that those troops who are to relief the previous watch, as well as the reinforcements, are to move out unarmed. When the watch changed at 22:00, armed border guards who had been holding the line and did for the most part not let anyone pass, were replaced with unarmed guards. By that time the situation at the checkpoints had become tense as many were there for a couple of hours already, unable to move either which way.
Minutes after 22:00 the new watch opened the gates of all checkpoints between East Berlin and West Berlin and people were allowed to freely move across the border.
That's the story as it happened, I was there that night, and I made it across the border, had a look around, and was back home at 3am.
Anyway, watching the march of the people in V brought back those memories big time - touching moment.
The only thing that's unfortunate about any of the Wachowski movies is that they have to taint everything with their religious crap. First Matrix, now V, it's getting old.
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it was an amazing movie.
i loved it.
My friend made me laugh too much when watching it though by saying things like "Your always so happy V!"
or "they fired you as the original king at burger king? id revolt too!"
the one that had me near tears of laughter was in a scene with portman and V the camera stopped on portman and there was enough space of silence for him to say
"you give a whole new meaning to turning that frown upside down"
but i wanted to see his face.
That would have made me happy.
i feel like i missed something by watching it and not seeing that mask come off dammit!
i loved it.
My friend made me laugh too much when watching it though by saying things like "Your always so happy V!"
or "they fired you as the original king at burger king? id revolt too!"
the one that had me near tears of laughter was in a scene with portman and V the camera stopped on portman and there was enough space of silence for him to say
"you give a whole new meaning to turning that frown upside down"
but i wanted to see his face.
That would have made me happy.
i feel like i missed something by watching it and not seeing that mask come off dammit!
I caught this in the IMAX in Louisville when I went to visit my friend XD it was absolutely wonderful >.> not bloody enough or near the violence I expected but I can let it slide...
Sculli your story gave me goosebumps as I read it. It must have been amazing to have been there. I think I was 10 when the wall came down so I dont remember much or being able to even understand enough of what it ment at the time to see the significants...
Sculli your story gave me goosebumps as I read it. It must have been amazing to have been there. I think I was 10 when the wall came down so I dont remember much or being able to even understand enough of what it ment at the time to see the significants...
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Comic the movie is based on was published in 1982 through 1985; the main story was already written before the Berlin Wal came down. Just a coincidence perhaps. Maybe Alan Moore, the author, was just good at predicting events to come (many other things he predicted for Britain have come true). You can read more of the background here.Sculli said:
Moore had this to say: " After reading the script, Moore remarked that his comic had been "turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country.... [This film] is a thwarted and frustrated and largely impotent American liberal fantasy of someone with American liberal values standing up against a state run by neo-conservatives — which is not what [the comic] 'V for Vendetta' was about."
As a movie, I enjoyed it. Delt with some deep elements and did a fine job of delving into the gray region between black and white.