Valkyrs

[versiontwo]

so this is maybe the 3rd or 4th week after this 'incident'.

bump bump ... /knock

 

[gir]

Since when is posting a response to your flame considered "thread-crapping." You're the one that wants to hear what valkyrs members have to say right? Shit, if anything besides what you wanna hear is going to be considered "thread crapping" why don't you just go aplogize to yourself in the mirror if it'll make you feel better.

wth seriously... don't post shit in flameboard if you're going to cry about it being derailed.

its pretty ridiculous that posts from valkyr members are getting deleted from the flameboard by someone who doesn't play this game anymore in response to posts made by people who don't even play this game anymore.

I'd like you to point out what relevant points have been made that I've complained about? Go back, read the thread, and you'll see I've made every effort to respond to real questions and concerns people have raised.

And in case you were wondering, derailment is pointless, annoying, and against FB rules.

I welcome any Valkyrs member's (or any QCDN user for that matter) posts which are on-topic, whether they disagree with me or not.

Final bit:
By your last comment, I can only assume you mean Sculli. Accusing him of favoritism is like competing in the special olympics... But hey, I'll play your game. Explain to me the crushing response to this thread that Sculli deleted. I'm tired of wasting my time.

 

[Rhaddy]

I'd like you to point out what relevant points have been made that I've complained about? Go back, read the thread, and you'll see I've made every effort to respond to real questions and concerns people have raised.

And in case you were wondering, derailment is pointless, annoying, and against FB rules.

I welcome any Valkyrs member's (or any QCDN user for that matter) posts which are on-topic, whether they disagree with me or not.

Final bit:
By your last comment, I can only assume you mean Sculli. Accusing him of favoritism is like competing in the special olympics... But hey, I'll play your game. Explain to me the crushing response to this thread that Sculli deleted. I'm tired of wasting my time.

:T like hell i'm gonna go back and read 40 pages when i read the thread (and posted on it) at 50+. I'm not gonna go through the thread again and see which points were ignored and how the argument changed cause those posts were deleted for being "off topic."

What about posts that don't respond to you, but respond to others? You certainly don't seem to welcome posts that respond to others.

Uh, yeah. You don't have to assume because i'm not hinting at anything, i said that shit flat out. Sculli deleted posts that were responses to Yoshindor questioning his right to comment on the situation. And if you're going to say accusing him of favortism is like competing in the special olympics, you better take a look at what you're doing: arguing on the internet.

 

[Sculli]

I deleted about 30 pages worth of crap from this thread. The overwhelming majority was one-liner thread crappers. It is possible, but very unlikely that I deleted a post by a Valkyrs member explaining what happened and how they propose to fix this.

I don't quite understand how this thread grew to as many pages as it did. The situation seems clear, Valkyrs ninjad a stone, what's there to argue.
The decent thing would be to make it up to those who were shafted. It's not impossible to make up for it, and would only take a small gesture of good will to do so, yet the Valkyrs people seem to not give a fuck.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Rhaddy]

I deleted about 30 pages worth of crap from this thread. The overwhelming majority was one-liner thread crappers. It is possible, but very unlikely that I deleted a post by a Valkyrs member explaining what happened and how they propose to fix this.

I don't quite understand how this thread grew to as many pages as it did. The situation seems clear, Valkyrs ninjad a stone, what's there to argue.
The decent thing would be to make it up to those who were shafted. It's not impossible to make up for it, and would only take a small gesture of good will to do so, yet the Valkyrs people seem to not give a fuck.

Draw your own conclusions.

conclusions drawn by said people who lack all the facts and don't even play the game anymore but mod a board and are taking sides on an argument anyways =

Moderator sass! B&

 

[gir]

:T like hell i'm gonna go back and read 40 pages when i read the thread (and posted on it) at 50+. I'm not gonna go through the thread again and see which points were ignored and how the argument changed cause those posts were deleted for being "off topic."

If you aren't gonna bother to support your argument, what's the point in making it? The posts that were deleted were deleted for a reason. They had nothing to do with the topic (which is "Valkyrs" in case you had forgotten).

What about posts that don't respond to you, but respond to others? You certainly don't seem to welcome posts that respond to others.

I have no problem with people who want to squabble amongst themselves. All I ask is that they do it elsewhere. PM, new topic, what-have-you. Unless it's relevant to this thread, don't post it here. If you want to flame me, go ahead. Start a new topic. It might be a good idea to do that anyway instead of continuing in this vein.

Uh, yeah. You don't have to assume because i'm not hinting at anything, i said that shit flat out. Sculli deleted posts that were responses to Yoshindor questioning his right to comment on the situation.

/start nitpick
Just to clarify, saying "people who don't even play this game anymore" is called implying, because from that, we have to infer that you mean Sculli and Yoshindor. If you were being "straight up" you would've just said Sculli and Yoshindor to begin with.
/end nitpick

So far it seems you're using the "if they don't play anymore, they can't have an opinion" argument only against the people you disagree with on other grounds. You might as well argue that "if they weren't there, they can't have an opinion either". But then, your opinion wouldn't matter in that case, would it?

Then again, what does this topic have to do with Yoshindor anyway, or Sculli for that matter?

And if you're going to say accusing him of favortism is like competing in the special olympics, you better take a look at what you're doing: arguing on the internet.

That's a null statement since you're just as guilty of it as I am.

 

[gir]

conclusions drawn by said people who lack all the facts and don't even play the game anymore but mod a board and are taking sides on an argument anyways =

Moderator sass! B&

Well, if there was a competing theory of what happened, I've yet to hear it. So far, despite our repeated efforts, we have yet to hear even an apology.

Draw your own conclusions.

 

[Yoshindor]

goes both way.

"is she fucking yet" got as much to do with this topic as you posting on it :T

Not really i'm simply discussing how Valkrys fucked up and continues to fuck up (thus pretaining to the topic) don't hate just because I do not play the game anymore.

Everyone is free to post but everyone who chooses to post wiether playing or not is subject to the rules.

Again don't like don't post.

 

[Sculli]

conclusions drawn by said people who lack all the facts and don't even play the game anymore but mod a board and are taking sides on an argument anyways =

I fail to see how not playing the game has any influence on being able to differentiate right from wrong.

Unless you actually have "all the fact", and I have yet to read them from you, the whole thing is obvious. Some dudes throught it was right to ninja the stone from other dudes. The ninjas show no regret, thus they are labeled the pricks of the server. Am I missing something?

 

[Kensou]

Am I missing something?

Yeah, you said it your self on the quote "lack the facts", it's rather useless to post it, specially at this point, everyone got drilled in their heads what the person who started the flame said, in any case, ppl will always believe the 1st story they are told, one of main reasons Valkyrs is not bothering in answering here.

 

[Kensou]

"Lack all the facts"**

 

[Darklion]

Yeah, you said it your self on the quote "lack the facts", it's rather useless to post it, specially at this point, everyone got drilled in their heads what the person who started the flame said, in any case, ppl will always believe the 1st story they are told, one of main reasons Valkyrs is not bothering in answering here.

they haven not bothered to answer cause they are pussies, If you have the ballz to steal something, have the ballz to stand up and say you did, cause we all know you did by now.

 

[Zalbag]

Not sure what exactly happened as i just came back from a 2 month break from FF and havnt heard anything on the topic in my ls, Valkyrs. But I do know Vill, Ami, and a number of the other peeps mentioned in the party that "stole ulli."

Personally I find it hard to believe they'd do that, and if they did, for the first time i'm ashamed of being in Valkyrs.

As for everyone from BoL demanding an apology for losing Ulli because he went yellow, I'm still waiting for one from when BoL mpk'd my party at Ulli and took the stone. Please note, I know this wasnt a ls decision and current hold no grudge for BoL or the members that did this.

I do know that Vill's a good guy. One of the best I've met in the game, always letting other ls members lot items before he does. Willing to give people who've recieved a bad rep somewhere along the line a chance to redeem themselves and almost always willing to help people out.

There are very few people out there willing to do any of those things. I seriously hope this incident did not happen but if it did I'm sorry for the camping party's loss.

 

[Marajade]

Personally I find it hard to believe they'd do that, and if they did, for the first time i'm ashamed of being in Valkyrs.

PROGRESS!

As for everyone from BoL demanding an apology for losing Ulli because he went yellow, I'm still waiting for one from when BoL mpk'd my party at Ulli and took the stone. Please note, I know this wasnt a ls decision and current hold no grudge for BoL or the members that did this.

It was TriumphantBeginings wasnt it?

 

[Sculli]

Yeah, you said it your self on the quote "lack the facts", it's rather useless to post it, specially at this point, everyone got drilled in their heads what the person who started the flame said, in any case, ppl will always believe the 1st story they are told, one of main reasons Valkyrs is not bothering in answering here.

I can't possibly speak for anyone else, but reason has always been able to convince me. On the flipside, if I were the one called out, I'd be the first to set the record straight.

Saying there is no point for Valkyrs to post here is imho a cop-out.
If that works for you, that's great, but don't expect everyone else to fall in line. If Valkyrs has nothing to hide, then there will always be a benefit in posting here. If Valkyrs story is different from the OP one, then there could have been a response on the first day saying: "That's not the way it happened.".

Would it serve a purpose other than entertaining the pitchfork wielding mob? I choose to believe that it would. Many many more people than those who post here read QCDN. If I were in Valkyrs, I wouldn't want the name of the LS dragged through the mud if things didn't happen the way they were presented.

 

[gir]

Yeah, you said it your self on the quote "lack the facts", it's rather useless to post it, specially at this point, everyone got drilled in their heads what the person who started the flame said, in any case, ppl will always believe the 1st story they are told, one of main reasons Valkyrs is not bothering in answering here.

Well, I have to say it's rather funny to complain that we haven't heard Valkyrs' side, since that's what I've been trying to get for 40+ pages.

I understand your point about being the first to tell the story giving me an advantage in "framing". But ask yourself why would I go to all the trouble to do so when I liked and respected Valkyrs before this?

And, if I'm lying, where's the evidence to support that opinion? Valkyrs has(had) a solid reputation prior to this. No one would believe a scrub like me over what they had to say, provided they had even one ounce of proof or a story they could convince you with. Face it, they messed up and got called on it. Now they're turning a blind eye toward it hoping it'll go away.

Personally I find it hard to believe they'd do that, and if they did, for the first time i'm ashamed of being in Valkyrs.

We were just as surprised as you are. Which is why we contacted several members and gave them time to explain the situation before even considering bringing this to FB.

As for everyone from BoL demanding an apology for losing Ulli because he went yellow, I'm still waiting for one from when BoL mpk'd my party at Ulli and took the stone. Please note, I know this wasnt a ls decision and current hold no grudge for BoL or the members that did this.

I'm not sure which BoL members you're referring to. In case you were confused, it's TriumphantBeginning (Blazeoffury's LS) that Ulli was stolen from.

I do know that Vill's a good guy. One of the best I've met in the game, always letting other ls members lot items before he does. Willing to give people who've recieved a bad rep somewhere along the line a chance to redeem themselves and almost always willing to help people out.

All I can think of is maybe this is a case of putting his LS ahead of everyone else.

There are very few people out there willing to do any of those things. I seriously hope this incident did not happen but if it did I'm sorry for the camping party's loss.

Thanks for your concern. I hope your LS leaders feel the same way so that we can work together in the future.

 

[Zalbag]

oops my bad for bringing BoL into this, saw some BoL members names on the posts, skipped through alot of pages (40's alot to read). Sorry for bringing BoL into this thread.^^;;

 

[gir]

oops my bad for bringing BoL into this, saw some BoL members names on the posts, skipped through alot of pages (40's alot to read). Sorry for bringing BoL into this thread.^^;;

Hehe, it's ok. That's a common mistake on the flameboard. This time BoL wasn't involved at all! (I think...)

 

[TheOsyris]

ok.. honestly.. im not saying you should stop this for a way out the flame..
but what you want.. just is not gonna happen.. i am in valk everyday.. not once have i heard this flame talked about.. what ever the case is. maybe leaders dont care or whatever. or maybe members scared to talk? either way. its just not happening.. sorry to ruin your hopes of arguing more and more.. and im sure this will continue for many more pages to come.. but just trying to give you some type or answer.. and all i can say is no one talks about this flame in the ls.. i dont want to say "might as well give it up" because that is totally against your drive here.. you want someone to come foward.. i repeat.. no one talks about it >.< sorry.. just giving you heads up that the next 50000000 pages prolly will continue to be a bunch of you guys (being the ppl against valk) talking to each other^^

 

[versiontwo]

sticky this bish

/spam Villarel
if you're not already on his blist for mentioning this thread