What do you think would happen to the FFXI world if the was no such thing as Utsusemi

[Evalice]

Toreador's Cape would be next to impossible to get

 

[K. Ishitar]

A lot of Rdm's would have more trouble getting a Warlocks Chapeau

 

[Rufus_Shinra]

Ninja's would actually have to start paying attention.

 

[Darklion]

Ninja's would actually have to start paying attention.

How so?

Between casting debuffs and adding some ele. wheel spells into the mix while trying to keep shadows up and keeping hate and doing melee dmg. they sure do have a short list of things to do, AmIRite?

 

[Zoolander]

Toreador's Cape would be next to impossible to get

Eh? That NM buffalo hits through shadows...

Not like Toreador's Cape not being in stock on the AH is really going to be a bad thing...lol+50%crithitstaken

(Unless they changed it since last time I fought that bastard...if so, thats lame.)

 

[Euphacent]

since we are on this subject of what if, what if WHM didn't have Cure V?
What if RDM didn't have Refresh? What if BRD didn't have Ballad? What if PLD didn't have Flash? What if Sam didn't have meditate?

Im sure you get my point.

Most of those are different examples from the point of the original post. You can't cast Cure V with whm sub, you can't cast Refresh with rdm sub, you can't cast Ballad II with brd sub, etc Nobody subs pld for flash anyway, so it's a moot point. Sam as a sub now has a very gimp meditate, which is why most people don't even bother with it anymore.

 

[Taurothar]

Not to mention, for most situations, the best pld SJ is..../nin.

I laugh at this notion. Double-Attack, Sword/Shield, Defense/Attack Bonus, Warcry, and OH YEA Provoke definately outweigh 6 shadows and dual wield.

 

[Evalice]

Eh? That NM buffalo hits through shadows...

Not like Toreador's Cape not being in stock on the AH is really going to be a bad thing...lol+50%crithitstaken

(Unless they changed it since last time I fought that bastard...if so, thats lame.)

From Somepage :

* Spawned by trading a Haunted Muleta to the ??? at L-8.
* Does over 1000 damage per melee hit; must be blink tanked.
* Item Drops: Toreador's Cape drops 100% of the time.
* Special Attacks: Buffalo special attacks; Bindga, Paralyzna, Rabid Dance (Evasion Boost), Counterstance; Blizzard IV, Blizzaga III

 

[Zoolander]

I laugh at this notion. Double-Attack, Sword/Shield, Defense/Attack Bonus, Warcry, and OH YEA Provoke definately outweigh 6 shadows and dual wield.

Should have said for most end game things.

If you laugh at that notion, then you've obviously never seen how powerful pld/nin is.

Somepage is pretty outdated on alot of things. It said that a year ago when I fought Guesh Urvan, and he most certainly hit through shadows.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Also, why the hell do you people always talk aobut "what SE intended for ninja was not to tank." Seriously, shut the hell up. They had no idea what they were doing when they released this game, ninja is a god damn tank, with the right setup they will be hit for less dmg than a pld and keep hate just as well.

Count backwards from 10. Don't pop a vein. Ninja wasn't designed to be a tank, players made it happen.

 

[Windy]

Also, why the hell do you people always talk aobut "what SE intended for ninja was not to tank." Seriously, shut the hell up. They had no idea what they were doing when they released this game, ninja is a god damn tank, with the right setup they will be hit for less dmg than a pld and keep hate just as well.

I hate to but I agree very much with the above. According to some, Sam was intended to Tank (Hence +enmity on AF) and other stupid things. Nin -is- a tank, and a good one. Ninja's do crazy DD damage. I was in pt with a friend on Nin and she outparsed EVERYONE in the pt. No one was gimp. Granted, no Ridill or BB working but still 2 nin, 1 war, 1 mnk with brd and whm. She cleaned house. People who assume Nin can't DD crack me up and I've only had limited exposure with a semi-decent Nin. I can't begin to imagine the DD that the really good nin's would put up. No shadows would make a lot of mobs near impossible, someone mentioned Charby. x.x

It would be nice though to see variation in SJ's, though high chains would be -very- dead.

 

[decidence]

If there was no Utsusemi I would die a lot.

 

[Arctyrael]

If there was no Utsu, I'd have no reason to continue leveling thief - therefore SE would have just made it easier to end my days in this game =D.

 

[Skaw]

Really now, the "omg what would you do against NMs!" arguement is moot. If they modified Utsusemi to the point where these NMs would be undefeatable, they'd be adjusted to become defeatable, obviously. Quit smoking crack.

 

[Lenneth]

Yeeeup. Paladins will better than ninjas than they are now.

rufus, you obviously have some bias against ninja's, did one touch you as a child or something?

 

[Lenneth]

Ninja's would actually have to start paying attention.

this is the most retarded non-blazn/kire BS ive read in a long time
as a 75 ninja i know personally how much you have to pay attention during fights as is, if i wasnt tanking, i could just engage auto-attack and go you YTMND like my mnk friends do or something.
in short please stop talking about things you have no idea about
kthx~

 

[Mishaela]

From Somepage :

* Spawned by trading a Haunted Muleta to the ??? at L-8.
* Does over 1000 damage per melee hit; must be blink tanked.
* Item Drops: Toreador's Cape drops 100% of the time.
* Special Attacks: Buffalo special attacks; Bindga, Paralyzna, Rabid Dance (Evasion Boost), Counterstance; Blizzard IV, Blizzaga III

Somepage isn't 100% reliable =P Also, I think like 3/5 of it's WSes ignore shadows.

 

[Stouter]

Really now, the "omg what would you do against NMs!" arguement is moot. If they modified Utsusemi to the point where these NMs would be undefeatable, they'd be adjusted to become defeatable, obviously. Quit smoking crack.

Nah, no NM would be undefeatable so long as they didn't resist gravity and run faster than w legs. Which is why nerfing utsu would nerf all melee jobs, everyone would pile on blm and smn even more.

 

[Windy]

A lot of Rdm's would have more trouble getting a Warlocks Chapeau

Huh? Sorry to say I had a PLD for Murphy both times I fought him.

The doll I zerged with 17 level 75's. That was fun, but he was still a wimp. Pld would have taken him I'm sure.

 

[Darklion]

Huh? Sorry to say I had a PLD for Murphy both times I fought him.

The doll I zerged with 17 level 75's. That was fun, but he was still a wimp. Pld would have taken him I'm sure.

Not solo, Im sure.