What is the best subjob for DRK?

[Tyrath]

I highly doubt you'd ever stop attacking with ridill + kraken anyway, so I don't see why it would matter ;

and no, I didn't know that

You wouldnt stop attacking, but kraken would start attacking again faster without a sub weapon

 

[Uzor]

You wouldnt stop attacking, but kraken would start attacking again faster without a sub weapon

isn't the whole point of it to not stop attacking? so why would it matter if the kraken would activate again faster?

 

[Tyrath]

isn't the whole point of it to not stop attacking? so why would it matter if the kraken would activate again faster?

Because you would get in more swings and therefore have more souleater damage...

It could be debatable that the ridill dmg might make up for the less swings...Ive never used ridill, so i wouldnt know ;x

 

[Uzor]

Because you would get in more swings and therefore have more souleater damage...

Well, only way to see which is better is to do a parsing of it

Besides, with Kraken Club solo you would probably die before souleater wears off as the WHMes probably wouldn't be able to keep up, unless you have 4 of them. And thus, the max damage would decrease anyway.

 

[alanon]

Souleater raises accuracy, by a lot, if you didnt know.

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Unless of course you stack it with bloodweapon, in which case, your acc drops under the 20% mark....

 

[Tyrath]

Well, only way to see which is better is to do a parsing of it

Besides, with Kraken Club solo you would probably die before souleater wears off as the WHMes probably wouldn't be able to keep up, unless you have 4 of them. And thus, the max damage would decrease anyway.

lol? no you cant play that card...if you are going for max damage, you are going for max damage. No "but that will make you lose too much"

Anyways most often drks do it with blood weapon only cuz they are scared >_>

Edit: And as I said, I dont know from experiance how much dmg ridill can put out

 

[Dowzer]

Souleater raises accuracy, by a lot, if you didnt know.

Also overall, kraken would beat out a sword because sword skill is only 240 for drks and kraken is 220. But kraken swings so much more, overtime it would easily overtake ridill combo because of the number of swings.

In Response to Dowzer:
No matter what you can do with a drk/nin, you can do it better with a Drk/war using scythe. The 36 skill makes a big difference.

Also, yeah I suppose haste helps ridill...but solo kraken would attack -that- much faster with haste.

Kiiro has 261 Axe Skill, that's why big numbers are pumped out. Toss a club or ridill on her and NO DRK/WAR could come close in a parser.

Are you forgetting about Spirits, there Tyrath?

If you're still alive after the full minute of beatdown, a hefty Spirits Within with a HP Build has got to be a nice addition.

Ridill hits are much more powerfull than club hits, with the proper DW gear and haste build...Those attack rounds are always swinging. Why gimp yourself to 200-300dmg per hit when 2-3 of them could be 250-400? There is a reason why Serise/JDA used mainly Ridill/Club DRKs for Vinegarroon.

Hell, charge 300TP...POKE that bitch for 700dmg and then Souleater/2hour.

 

[Uzor]

lol? no you cant play that card...if you are going for max damage, you are going for max damage. No "but that will make you lose too much"

Anyways most often drks do it with blood weapon only cuz they are scared >_>

Well, if you go for max damage, you would most likely die. Reason BLMes don't spam everything they got at the start is because they will die, thus decreasing the damage they can deal <.<;

 

[Dowzer]

lol? no you cant play that card...if you are going for max damage, you are going for max damage. No "but that will make you lose too much"

Anyways most often drks do it with blood weapon only cuz they are scared >_>

Edit: And as I said, I dont know from experiance how much dmg ridill can put out

As I said, go download IRON of Bismarcks Jailer of Love video.

http://ffxi.ironmog.com/

 

[Tyrath]

The video doesnt help dow. I wanna see parsers of the SAME drk using both combos on the same mob. I'm not saying ridill cant match or beat kraken solo anymore. But I'd like to see the parsers ;x

ninja edit again:

And club and ridill are a special case. They both affect damage greatly. Theres no point comparing drk/war to a drk/nin with either of those. But without them if a Drk puts as much merits and whatnot into scythe as another does in axes. The drk/war will come out on top.

 

[Dowzer]

The video doesnt help dow. I wanna see parsers of the SAME drk using both combos on the same mob. I'm not saying ridill cant match or beat kraken solo anymore. But I'd like to see the parsers ;x

Yeah yeah, it was to show how fast the Ridill/Club combo attacks as I previously stated about Exoduso.

 

[Kire]

drk/nin and drk/war and drk/thf all have there place in FFXI
in the end they get the job done
killing things

 

[Dowzer]

ninja edit again:

And club and ridill are a special case. They both affect damage greatly. Theres no point comparing drk/war to a drk/nin with either of those. But without them if a Drk puts as much merits and whatnot into scythe as another does in axes. The drk/war will come out on top.

Berserk, Souleater, and Double Attack do work very nicely together..Above is a nice DA proc, though I'm sure DRK can reach much higher numbers. Didn't have an HP build and my STR gear is quite sub par. Not to mention, NQ behe is very weak too lol.

However I'd like to see those kinds of numbers from DRK/SAM. Like you mentioned, merit mobs die very quickly and I doubt a DRK will get very many scythe swings in one fight - even with a haste build. Sure it'd lose some dot without berserk...However that Brutal earring combined with Fighter's Roll could be pretty rewarding.
Brutal is 5% and subbing /war is 20% correct? Not sure how much Fighter's Roll adds but from my exp it procs a lot more often.

What it all comes down to, is who can spam those 1400-2000DMG WS fastest. Currently that leader is a DRK/NIN with Brutal earring/Klub or Ridill. Just like you mentioned^^;
That's why I bring up DRK/SAM, it'd be interesting if we can still pump 1400-2000 WS with that sub.
DRK/WAR are much more common to come across of course, so dealing 1400=>2400 WS(max?), the equipment to outparse them is very expensive and rare.
Merit Scythe DRK/WAR will only beat a Merit Axe DRK/NIN because of DoT, hence Kiiro's 2100 Rampage. Apparently can land those on Mamools as well, but haven't got any screenies of that yet.

Still interested in DRK/WAR vs DRK/NIN however, I think /NIN could possibly get TP a lot faster...Have you personally ever meritted with Kiiro before, Tyrath?

 

[Kire]

how is /war 20% i never seen 20% as war/nin lol

 

[TheOsyris]

No DRK/NIN with dual axe is out parsing a good DRK/WAR with scythe EVER. no matter what merrits. does not matter at all. and we are even talking the new expansion areas lol... where the mobs are T-VT... and STILL /NIN wont cut it. now take it to VT-IT mobs and /NIN BLOWS... that 2k ramp becomes 400-1000's at most. on these pathetic T mobs you can hit some high rampages... but the scythe damage per hit is just to rediculous. wtf. lets get this merit pt goin and prove it. and to uzor, tyrath is 100% right about /WAR not having to worry about being MP sponge in new areas.. i repeat.. the mobs are T.. at 50% hp you can basically burn them with 1 ws.

 

[Uzor]

their HP is not the problem. Its the fact that an unshadowed anything getting hit on (except for PLD) WILL be an MP sponge.

 

[Trippyhippy]

So... Zarrok... Did we answer your question thoroughly enough?

 

[Tyrath]

Berserk, Souleater, and Double Attack do work very nicely together..Above is a nice DA proc, though I'm sure DRK can reach much higher numbers. Didn't have an HP build and my STR gear is quite sub par. Not to mention, NQ behe is very weak too lol.

However I'd like to see those kinds of numbers from DRK/SAM. Like you mentioned, merit mobs die very quickly and I doubt a DRK will get very many scythe swings in one fight - even with a haste build. Sure it'd lose some dot without berserk...However that Brutal earring combined with Fighter's Roll could be pretty rewarding.
Brutal is 5% and subbing /war is 20% correct? Not sure how much Fighter's Roll adds but from my exp it procs a lot more often.

What it all comes down to, is who can spam those 1400-2000DMG WS fastest. Currently that leader is a DRK/NIN with Brutal earring/Klub or Ridill. Just like you mentioned^^;
That's why I bring up DRK/SAM, it'd be interesting if we can still pump 1400-2000 WS with that sub.
DRK/WAR are much more common to come across of course, so dealing 1400=>2400 WS(max?), the equipment to outparse them is very expensive and rare.
Merit Scythe DRK/WAR will only beat a Merit Axe DRK/NIN because of DoT, hence Kiiro's 2100 Rampage. Apparently can land those on Mamools as well, but haven't got any screenies of that yet.

Still interested in DRK/WAR vs DRK/NIN however, I think /NIN could possibly get TP a lot faster...Have you personally ever meritted with Kiiro before, Tyrath?

It probably could...but no one besides kiiro puts so much into drk/nin. I find it going out of the way to become a war. {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}

their HP is not the problem. Its the fact that an unshadowed anything getting hit on (except for PLD) WILL be an MP sponge.

Did you even read what osyris said...? Your post suggests not

 

[Zarrok]

So... Zarrok... Did we answer your question thoroughly enough?

Ya, see my post on the first page, post #30. Thanks for all the help everyone, it is greatly appreciated!

 

[Mishaela]

/DRG, Souleater with a Kraken Club and Jumpspam. =P