What SE did to Bsts

alanon

alanon

Jender's Next Victim
Adventurer
Joined
Jul 6, 2004
Messages
3,753
Age
50
Server
Quetzalcoatl
Linkshell
NoizyTribe
FFXI
Alanon
I'll first start off by saying that I really like 99% of what SE did in this update. New avatar is awesome. The Drg changes are really nice. The new areas and everything, I can't wait to experience. I say this in all seriousness, even though my Smn is level3 and my Drg is still locked.

What SE did to Bsts though....

It wasn't even an intentional nerf I'm sure, but they effectively have killed the job. I'm not exaggerating. For non-Bsts, the MAIN problem is the fact that most Bst camps require you to charm a mob and drag them across the map to xp. Now you use <leave> on the first xp mob, and you have to start all over again. Not to mention the advanced tactics of gathering 2 mobs to use for an entire xp session and pet swapping is now entirely gone.

For those non-bsts who say that it is not that bad, they made changes, blahblahblah. Let me save your time and answer your posts before you write them.

JUG PETS SUCK! They are good for farming and kiting and "Oh shit!" moments, and not much else. They will get pricey quick if the food/jug method is the new way to solo, not to mention that the cooldown timer of these abilities makes it an impossible method anyway.

XP PARTIES <NO THANKS>. First off, the solo aspect of the job is what appealled to me in the first place. It is (was) really nice with my schedule both in game and out. It was relaxing, it was fun. Now Im forced into xp parties. No offense, but if Im forced into parties as a gimp warrior, I'd just assume to party as a war. Jug pets adding dmg? Please. A jug pet misses worse than a nakked elveen Drk when fighting a T. What do you think it will do when fighting the IT+++ that parties xp off of? Link control? HA! That is laughable at best! Assuming that the link is even charmable (i.e NOT beastman, undead, or hosts of other things), charming a mob that is 1-2 levels above me is a 50/50 shot at best. The link is probably 8-10 levels above me. See the problem?

In short, this nerf has completely changed an entire class for the worse, and if it wasn't for the fun I have in a CoP static and my Sunday night static, my character, I would be in "Da Downs" bazaaring everything that I own so that I could deactivate my account at the end of the month. I REALLY hope they fix it.

I logged in last night thinking it couldn't be that bad. I went to xp. First mob I fought, I had to petswap halfway through. I go running to grab a new pet, run back to my mob which had JUST givin up pursuit. I hit my "fight" macro and the mob I was fighting FUCKING DISAPPEARED!
 
Oh, but it doesn't stop there my friend.

You see, I can deal with leave being nerfed as a side effect to fixing MPK. I can deal with having to use pet food and jug pets more frequently now, and I can deal with having to party for more of my experience than before.

What really pisses me off is when farmers and cooks take advantage of the update, knowing full well BST would be relying on jug pets and pet food, and jacking the goddamn price.

Pet food and some of the jugs have seen significant increases, Pet food Epsilon and Zeta are both now 20,000 gil per stack.

This is just fucking rediculous.
 
i seriously hope your not one of those people who laughed when they nerfed rng.

Or for that matter any bst who laughed at rng.
"Now you just need more skill"
"Your only upset because your job isnt so easy"
"Be 1337 and adapt"
"It can't be that bad so you have to pay to do dmg, your a bst"

drg is going to be the king soon, you watch and wait.
 
This seems different than RNG.
 
I was never one who laughed at Rng, but I was one who was skeptical PRE-nerf of just how bad it was going to be. POST Rng nerf I have always said they went too far, I'm sure if you do a search, you can quote me. However, what has been done to Bsts is far FAR worse than what happened to Rng.
 
While i wont argue with you IMO.
They took what is dear to BST, what and how they play their game.
Changed it to what it should not be,, i guess?
its like saying.. sams can't meditate anymore instead lets just give them more TP per hit. and lessen their accuracy?

whats your thoughts on this regarding the bst nerf sneaky?
 
Why complain, I understand that Some cooks if not most might jack up prices and what not. Anyways I am sure that you have to have a friend or few friends that are high ebough to make the jugs for you ask them, most times they will help out.

Regardless the prices will go down eventually they always do. Also if you can't find someone then lvl Cooking ^^ tis cheap. Or get me the ingredients i'll make em for you if you aint got friends and are a tad lazy to lvl cooking ^^.

Ballz
 
I was skeptical about this nerf before I downloaded this patch. But the area that the mob is spawned compared to where they despawn is INSANELY small. I saw somone zone a Doll in Ro'Meave(after getting magic aggro) and it disappeared and respawned close enough for magic aggro. That is crazy.
 
The RNG "nerf" was an adjustment of the job. It didn't make the job impossible, it made it more than standing at melee range with auto-attack, hitting the necessary DD macros.

What they've done didn't merely adjust BST. It's now literally IMPOSSIBLE to XP solo unless the mobs you fight are in the exact same spot as the mobs you charm (can only think of two times in my BST career where I've seen spots that let you do that, and they're behind me). Jug pets, wether solo or in party, suck. They hit like DC pet crabs with Weakness status.

Party? Hell, I XP while seeking and mention my SJ can be /NIN. No one cares if my STR is 78 without food, no one cares if my ATT is 240, now one cares if based on those two stats I beat the everliving crap out of most melee of the same level AND have Rampage, because the fact is virtually everyone doesn't know what a BST can do in party, and isn't gonna risk "screwing their party" to find out. So BST can go thru hell seeking to party, or go thru an equal amount of hell in an attempt to solo. They are absolutely f-!ked. Period.

RNG damage got adjusted. Some complained, some didn't. In the end, they were still a great DD. BST got their job adjusted (wether porposely or not) to the case that they can't solo unless they run back and forth for new pets, thusly spending more time getting pets than actually fighting (reducing their XP to 1k an hour at best) and they're gonna get a party once in a blue moon wether they want to or not because people assume BST are gimped melee.

Our best means of EXP now is doing Escort for Hire and ENMs, or we puke out pet foods at every possible chance given, which would actually turn into up to 2k spent per fight and STILL having either rediculous downtime for Reward recast or going back to get another pet since ours will wind up dead in the end either way.
 
My BST is 10 and my RNG is 34 so I can't speak much to either.
Understanding what has happened to both, I'd definitely say that what happened to BST is far worse. RNG seems like a mild nerf compared to this.
 
Lecan said:
Oh, but it doesn't stop there my friend.

You see, I can deal with leave being nerfed as a side effect to fixing MPK. I can deal with having to use pet food and jug pets more frequently now, and I can deal with having to party for more of my experience than before.

What really pisses me off is when farmers and cooks take advantage of the update, knowing full well BST would be relying on jug pets and pet food, and jacking the goddamn price.

Pet food and some of the jugs have seen significant increases, Pet food Epsilon and Zeta are both now 20,000 gil per stack.

This is just fucking rediculous.
Click to expand...


I myself don't mind helping people out. My craft is 98.5+2. Yesterday I made 52 Fish Oil Broths (out of 2 stacks worth of synthing materials [4 stacks of bluetail, 2 stacks of water crystals]) for a friend and only charged her the cost of the fish which I put into it. She paid 45kish for 80k worth of broth. HQ rate varies, but I get them pretty often.

My only request is that you supply me with the ingredients. I used Bluetails to help her out with this and not the Tuna or Sardines. Its a better HQ rate overall. (NQ: 1 stack Fish Broth, HQ1: 4 Fish Oil Broth, HQ2: 8 Fish Oil Broth, HQ3: 12 Fish Oil Broth) If any of you BST need help with pets, I'd be more than happy to help you synth it, provided I am not busy at the time or doing something outside game. I don't charge fees or any of that either. Just ask ahead and come with the ingredients and I'd be more than willing to do you a favor.
 
I totally agree with Sneaky and the OP, having quit my bst (only 53) after this update.

Leveling bst wasn't simple, but we stuck in there... Now with this patch, it's just plain impossible, at some points. You either go to a camp with a crapload of pets to charm (very hard to find past lvl 50, if you do, you're pets link and aggro.), or you party, something bst avoid doing...

Well... Guess it's time for another job...

Cheers
Dj
 
ty for pointing out that you dont have either jobs leveled,
and ty for for still giving your opinion.

i dont have bst leveled, but i am 75 rng.

i wish not to argue but discuss,
" i'm not your enemy "

Maybe its because people hate me or are busy IDK.
but i havnet gotten a PT on my rng in a good while with comment and flag up.

When i do get PT i'm doing doing as much dmg but i'm still doing OK dmg.

meh what we do now is nothing compared to what we used to do.
thats that i'm going to leave it as. i feel they did this to bst, and i HATE se.
ty
 
Stigmatas said:
i seriously hope your not one of those people who laughed when they nerfed rng.

Or for that matter any bst who laughed at rng.
"Now you just need more skill"
"Your only upset because your job isnt so easy"
"Be 1337 and adapt"
"It can't be that bad so you have to pay to do dmg, your a bst"
Click to expand...
Alanon isn't, but I'm sure some bsts out there did.

Mishaela said:
The RNG "nerf" was an adjustment of the job. It didn't make the job impossible
Click to expand...
This nerf didn't make bst impossible, it just screwed your job over hardcore, same as rng nerf did to rangers.
 
It made getting exp in a solo environment in an efficient manner impossible, the job at it's core is still an ass kicker.

Doesn't change the fact that not being able to solo anymore, and the pricejacking, both fucking suck.
 
Lecan said:
It made getting exp in a solo environment in an efficient manner impossible, the job at it's core is still an ass kicker.

Doesn't change the fact that not being able to solo anymore, and the pricejacking, both fucking suck.
Click to expand...
Like I said, not impossible, but your job got jacked hardcore.
 
Well I cannot help you guys on the nerf, but I can help you on the food. You guys buy the ingredients and I'll synth it for you for free. Hope this helps^^.

Just PM me or send me a /tel ingame. I'm usually on all day on Sundays, Mondays (but that's static nite, so I probably won't be have time to synth at this point in time), and Thursday nites. I can also log on usually after 2:30 PM everyday 'til about 5 if you really need me to synth for you.
 
I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, my BST is not quite the level of Leave, so I'm not quite familiar with the BST tactics.

But didn't you get lvl 1-35 without leave? Seems to me like it was just an alternative to spending the time of letting your mob die.
 
Firestreak said:
I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, my BST is not quite the level of Leave, so I'm not quite familiar with the BST tactics.

But didn't you get lvl 1-35 without leave? Seems to me like it was just an alternative to spending the time of letting your mob die.
Click to expand...
Bst exp is ungodly slow before leave, and at several later points the mobs you charm and the mobs you fight are not right by each other, unlike many of the times before 35.
 
Firestreak said:
I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, my BST is not quite the level of Leave, so I'm not quite familiar with the BST tactics.

But didn't you get lvl 1-35 without leave? Seems to me like it was just an alternative to spending the time of letting your mob die.
Click to expand...

This is true, but at 1-35, most XP spots were in wide areas, and most XP mobs were generally in the exact same areas as the charmed mobs (such as Bats/Worms in Shakrami...Bats/Worms in Korroloka...Sheep/Gobs in Konschtat)

At, say, 50+, most pet areas are very, very spaced from XP areas..and even if you take the 30% hit, the second your pet dies you're in for a 5-10min trip to get another pet, and doing that over and over is..well, sortof unfair. And letting Reward cooloff and feeding your pet foods isn't exactly any better.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top