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This isn't a flame on an individual, but more the reaction of whole parties in general.
To start, I'm sure we've all had parties were it's well below our standard, and sometimes even, that standard varies from job to job. Maybe your standard is nothing, maybe it's 2k,3k,3.5k,4k,5k,6k or higher, whatever it may be. And I think it's safe to say most reasonable players prefer at least 3k/hr, and enjoy themselves on 4k/hr, exceptions apply.
Well here's the event that occured that lead to this post.
I'm xping in CN, I'm as ninja, a job I set higher standards for for two main reasons.
1. Ninja is truely a job of skill, the juggling of management between shadows,timers, elemental ninjitsu, WSs, general hate control, enfeebles, and macroing of equipment is something only the better players at FFXI will be able to handle very effectively
2. It costs alot of gil to level obviously, when spending so many Ks per hour, I tend to expect a little something back from the party, say 4k/hr bare min on this job, which is higher than the 3k/hr I'll accept on thf at the worst. This isn't some job where the only penalty to staying is some more wasted time and a little on food. Heck on some jobs even, like brd( which you can see I'm 58 in ) don't even need food for there really is almost no point except a few setups.
So here's the setup
nin/war ( me)
drk/thf-Gimp job that hits for 50 damage a hit on inc+++ opposed to the 80-130 of a good drk/war at 46. The only time this person would hit around 100 would be on soldier crawlers yielding around 50-70 base xp, ya it was that bad. 100 is nothing to be proud of on soldiers at 46, my 42 drk/war can hit for near 120 4 levels below, enough said.
drg/war- They guy had acceptable equipment, and I'm not too much a hardass in the 40s on equips anyway, but it was the lack of food that got to me. His damage was only half ass decent because he was 45. But honestly this guy was alright, except that he was a poor party leader. Refused to acknowedge xp sucked once everyone started dinging 46.
2 rdms, but they were alright. unfortunitely, due to the party setup they had little impact on the xp outside of backup cures,dispel,MB,refresh.
1 shitty whm that D/C about 20 times, that number is not exaggarated. It'd take between 5 and 10 seconds for this whm to catch on that someone was losing hp and needed a cure. Nice person...but crappy whm, that refused to use food too.
Ok so I'm obviously displeased with the party when they go "This xp is awsome!" I'm thinking what the hell, we're getting 2-3k/hr, it blows chucks. So after someone said this, for the 5th time, I spoke my mind and said it's the worst xp I got in weeks... Which is true, and they all flipped a shit about it. During the course of the party, I sent the drg/war leader multiple times explaining I want out, can we replace the 45s and 46s at least? Can you replace me? etc etc, and I just got BS excuses.
I tried to be fair about it with my tells in advance but I was ignored, so I left the party.
I then had to deal with one of the rdms trying to whine about it, I had to talk down to them to get them off my damn back. He accused me of buying my character too :roll: Been playing since the 2nd day of NA PC release so that made me laugh IRL haha.
I'd not looking for jusication or agreement, because I can honestly give a hell. I'm sure a good portion will agree about it's ok to have standards and are pro choice. And I'm sure there are others that would say it's not a big deal or it depends on the standard. When I'm on ninja playing to the best of my ability and the others have the nerve to not even use food, I'm leaving, end of story. This ia just a vent about bad players, not individuals :x And no, I don't remember signing a contract saying I have to xp with you even if you suck. If you don't want someone to leave, play a little harder so you're at least medicore, most people are ok with that!
On a sidenote, what the hell have these people been through to call xp between 2 and 3k per hour "AWSOME!" I mean really, if they're calling that awsome, I don't want to know what 'average' is. Maybe the reason it's normally lower is because where ever their gimp character goes, the bad xp goes with them always.
And here are some standards I'll set for some of my jobs although I normally make a little more anyway
thief-3k/hr
ninja-4k/hr
brd-No standards, no need for this almost free to level job. Although most parties are 4-6k/hr on brd anyway.
Drk-3k/hr ( although no party ever gets that low when I'm in charge of the damage :twisted: )
Drunk/LS lowbie parties-The standard is fun
To start, I'm sure we've all had parties were it's well below our standard, and sometimes even, that standard varies from job to job. Maybe your standard is nothing, maybe it's 2k,3k,3.5k,4k,5k,6k or higher, whatever it may be. And I think it's safe to say most reasonable players prefer at least 3k/hr, and enjoy themselves on 4k/hr, exceptions apply.
Well here's the event that occured that lead to this post.
I'm xping in CN, I'm as ninja, a job I set higher standards for for two main reasons.
1. Ninja is truely a job of skill, the juggling of management between shadows,timers, elemental ninjitsu, WSs, general hate control, enfeebles, and macroing of equipment is something only the better players at FFXI will be able to handle very effectively
2. It costs alot of gil to level obviously, when spending so many Ks per hour, I tend to expect a little something back from the party, say 4k/hr bare min on this job, which is higher than the 3k/hr I'll accept on thf at the worst. This isn't some job where the only penalty to staying is some more wasted time and a little on food. Heck on some jobs even, like brd( which you can see I'm 58 in ) don't even need food for there really is almost no point except a few setups.
So here's the setup
nin/war ( me)
drk/thf-Gimp job that hits for 50 damage a hit on inc+++ opposed to the 80-130 of a good drk/war at 46. The only time this person would hit around 100 would be on soldier crawlers yielding around 50-70 base xp, ya it was that bad. 100 is nothing to be proud of on soldiers at 46, my 42 drk/war can hit for near 120 4 levels below, enough said.
drg/war- They guy had acceptable equipment, and I'm not too much a hardass in the 40s on equips anyway, but it was the lack of food that got to me. His damage was only half ass decent because he was 45. But honestly this guy was alright, except that he was a poor party leader. Refused to acknowedge xp sucked once everyone started dinging 46.
2 rdms, but they were alright. unfortunitely, due to the party setup they had little impact on the xp outside of backup cures,dispel,MB,refresh.
1 shitty whm that D/C about 20 times, that number is not exaggarated. It'd take between 5 and 10 seconds for this whm to catch on that someone was losing hp and needed a cure. Nice person...but crappy whm, that refused to use food too.
Ok so I'm obviously displeased with the party when they go "This xp is awsome!" I'm thinking what the hell, we're getting 2-3k/hr, it blows chucks. So after someone said this, for the 5th time, I spoke my mind and said it's the worst xp I got in weeks... Which is true, and they all flipped a shit about it. During the course of the party, I sent the drg/war leader multiple times explaining I want out, can we replace the 45s and 46s at least? Can you replace me? etc etc, and I just got BS excuses.
I tried to be fair about it with my tells in advance but I was ignored, so I left the party.
I then had to deal with one of the rdms trying to whine about it, I had to talk down to them to get them off my damn back. He accused me of buying my character too :roll: Been playing since the 2nd day of NA PC release so that made me laugh IRL haha.
I'd not looking for jusication or agreement, because I can honestly give a hell. I'm sure a good portion will agree about it's ok to have standards and are pro choice. And I'm sure there are others that would say it's not a big deal or it depends on the standard. When I'm on ninja playing to the best of my ability and the others have the nerve to not even use food, I'm leaving, end of story. This ia just a vent about bad players, not individuals :x And no, I don't remember signing a contract saying I have to xp with you even if you suck. If you don't want someone to leave, play a little harder so you're at least medicore, most people are ok with that!
On a sidenote, what the hell have these people been through to call xp between 2 and 3k per hour "AWSOME!" I mean really, if they're calling that awsome, I don't want to know what 'average' is. Maybe the reason it's normally lower is because where ever their gimp character goes, the bad xp goes with them always.
And here are some standards I'll set for some of my jobs although I normally make a little more anyway
thief-3k/hr
ninja-4k/hr
brd-No standards, no need for this almost free to level job. Although most parties are 4-6k/hr on brd anyway.
Drk-3k/hr ( although no party ever gets that low when I'm in charge of the damage :twisted: )
Drunk/LS lowbie parties-The standard is fun
