When did WAR get to be not a good tank anymore?

xKronox said:
G.Axe is warriors best weapon, and what does it have to do with tanking?

Because if you are tanking, you should be using a shield (blink tankers can get away without one). I know that your next comment will be something along the lines of "but I do more Dmg with G.Axe!!111". Well the main focus of tanking is holding hate and TAKING damage, not DEALING it.
 
alanon said:
xKronox said:
G.Axe is warriors best weapon, and what does it have to do with tanking?

Because if you are tanking, you should be using a shield (blink tankers can get away without one). I know that your next comment will be something along the lines of "but I do more Dmg with G.Axe!!111". Well the main focus of tanking is holding hate and TAKING damage, not DEALING it.

Actually....

A warrior's best method of holding hate is through dealing as much damage as possible. You can tank just fine with a greataxe. A warrior should always have both axe and greataxe capped (and probably greatsword as well but that one is last on the list).
 
That I agree! I warrior who intends on tanking should always have a shield an axe equipped. Plus, with MNK subbed, you can counter (with aggro on you of course) and sometime chain with double attack, makes more damage in a certain period of time than a Great Axe. And you can boost your attack too, keeping more aggro on you.

Well, what do you know, looks like a war can still make a good tank! :)
 
Chouzan said:
alanon said:
xKronox said:
G.Axe is warriors best weapon, and what does it have to do with tanking?

Because if you are tanking, you should be using a shield (blink tankers can get away without one). I know that your next comment will be something along the lines of "but I do more Dmg with G.Axe!!111". Well the main focus of tanking is holding hate and TAKING damage, not DEALING it.

Actually....

A warrior's best method of holding hate is through dealing as much damage as possible. You can tank just fine with a greataxe. A warrior should always have both axe and greataxe capped (and probably greatsword as well but that one is last on the list).

Actually...

If you are taking extra dmg, not only are you losing any extra hate you built up with your extra damage, but it also causes a slight mp drain which causes hate to shift even more. With a shield, not only is your Def great, but every hit blocked with a shield is a wonderful bonus, much more so than that extra few points you do with G.Axe.
 
alanon said:
Chouzan said:
alanon said:
xKronox said:
G.Axe is warriors best weapon, and what does it have to do with tanking?

Because if you are tanking, you should be using a shield (blink tankers can get away without one). I know that your next comment will be something along the lines of "but I do more Dmg with G.Axe!!111". Well the main focus of tanking is holding hate and TAKING damage, not DEALING it.

Actually....

A warrior's best method of holding hate is through dealing as much damage as possible. You can tank just fine with a greataxe. A warrior should always have both axe and greataxe capped (and probably greatsword as well but that one is last on the list).

Actually...

If you are taking extra dmg, not only are you losing any extra hate you built up with your extra damage, but it also causes a slight mp drain which causes hate to shift even more. With a shield, not only is your Def great, but every hit blocked with a shield is a wonderful bonus, much more so than that extra few points you do with G.Axe.

Actually...

A war/mnk double-attacking and countering with a greataxe is a wonderful thing for hate control (leaving black mages like you free to nuke to their hearts content).
 
Zuh? Gaxe isn't good for a WAR/MNK tank? Hmm... I guess those "free" BIG hits you get in with it as Counter Attacks dont really matter then. And Warrior's Shield/parry skills aren't very impressive anyway, so I'm not sure what you'd gain by using axe/shield as tanking, not saying it's bad, but just as a WAR/MNK you'd be better off with Gaxe, in my opinion. What I like to do with tanking, I get into a groove where every fight I have TP ready at the start of the next for a Shield Break and we basically slaughter the mob, and I take almost as little damage as a paladin thanks to my good gear + fishkabobs. Granted, PLD take damage better than me, but I guarantee that I at least triple their damage output, which still allows me to hold hate like a champ. And yes... WHM typically DO get lazy with a PLD healing themself some, and with NIN taking little to no damage at all. Funny how in good groups, the WHM can feel like HE(she) is the one being powerleveled for once! haha
 
Well, it is just an opinion. Im just saying again, if you are taking more damage, than you have to be cured more, which causes a bigger shift in hate and more MP usage. If you want to be a DD (again this is only an opinion) then go ahead and get gear with high dmg and attk. If you are tanking, you should focus more on Vit and Def.

Rune, trust me, a good Whm is far from bored with Pld and Nin tanks. It's just now your priorities shift. You still enfeeble like mad, haste, cure/erase status ailments. Oh when I am Whm, I am not bored, it's just no longer that frantic cure cure cure, oh god please dont let him die, cure cure cure, poisagna, poisagna, rest, repeat. :lol:
 
OH NOES THE WHM has to do some work and the group wont get 8888888823423888 xp an hr if a WAR is a tank.

I can seriously see this in a conversation...

Group member 1: We need a tank. Its been an two hrs.
Group member 2: There's a WAR.
Elite Member 3: No those suck, we have to heal more and rest up.
Group member WHM: Yeah I have to heal more thus rest more, but that would justify this Dark Staff, and maybe I would have to /heal for once. Fuck that!
Group member1: ...
 
yeah the comment about the whm justifying the darkstaf. thats a good one....

i think WAR's have a tough time being the tank. i think because people already have a predisposed opinion that they are going to suck, they have to put in twice the effort just to not come out looking bad.

i was in a party and i they decided they didn't like the war tank so they replaced him. in my mind this is how the two people played and this was the party reaction.

WAR tank: <working his butt off>
WHM: gets hit "tank your not doing a good job! i knew this wouldn't work"
party: buy war tank hello pally goodness.

paly tank: sigh... <cure> yawn... <provoke>
WHM: <dies>
paly tank: oh jees i'm sorry bout that i lost hate :/
party: oh no problem its ok we'll just get a raise.

slight exageration but you get my point. this basically happened with a party i was in. i understand that sometime stuff just happens that can't be controlled. PLD's have some advantages, NIN have others, but WAR's are still good.

here is a situation where i would prefer a WAR tank. when your fighting mobs that aren't particularly hard but you chain them fast, i like WAR tanks. they deal damage that helps things move much faster. theres still no real strain on the WHM. another good example is if you have plenty of healing and not much in the damage department. ditch that pally that can't deal squat and grab the war with the G axe. everything depends on the situation at hand.

bottom line. be openminded please. be tolerant of others and their choices and maybe you'll get that back from them on your non cookie cutter ideas.
 
You should definitly go war all the way. War is a great job especially later on. You even get to outdamage drk >.<
once you hit 50 go war/nin and dual wield axes for teh win!
You make a nice tank and can hold hate with other methods besides voking and dd. Just like how ninjas hold hate so well. expensive combo but works nicely. Also takes much more skill than most combos.
 
I hope you guys dont take my comments in any way to mean that I think a war cant tank! But seriously, those of you that are arguing for a war tank, you're going to start a party. There are 3 ppl looking, a Pld, a Nin, and a War. Which do you invite first? My whole point is, you should have two setups, one geared towards tanking and one geared towards DD. Here another opinion that might start another debate:

I will take a War as a DD over a Drk.
 
alanon said:
I hope you guys dont take my comments in any way to mean that I think a war cant tank! But seriously, those of you that are arguing for a war tank, you're going to start a party. There are 3 ppl looking, a Pld, a Nin, and a War. Which do you invite first? My whole point is, you should have two setups, one geared towards tanking and one geared towards DD. Here another opinion that might start another debate:

I will take a War as a DD over a Drk.

It really depends on what party I have already going. For instance, if the main healer is a SMN I would grab the Ninja. If I needed more umph in physical dmg I would grab the WAR. If I had a crazy drk and a crazy thf who tricked on each other then I would want the pld and pray to god :p
 
It really depends on the kind of mob you fighting too.

Some mobs have ws that will completly nock all of a nin shadow away and some fast hitting mobs like mnks will destroy a nin. In that sit you should get a pld.
 
I've really been trying to express the same sentiment. WAR is all about versatility. We are the kings of versatility provided that you meet those of us who invest the time to level the appropriate subs and buy the appropriate gear.

You need a main tank? I'm your man as war/nin or war/mnk. You need a trick buddy? I'm your man as war/nin. You need a straight up damager? I'm your man as war/thf (soon as i get my thf sub leveled :P)
 
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