White Mage apathy.....

Sabia said:
Fact being at this point from what I've seen Gil Sellers are more kind/helpful than a large chunk of the legitmate players. I've seen more gil sellers help out other parties with cures/links/raises while partying with my whm this round through than my fellow quetzy players.
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Oh... My exp party got MPKed by the Kuftal crew today.
 
Bajaratt said:
I like helping people, but believe it or not, there are times when I am busy. I must have missed the whm job trait of "Bitch," where we have to drop everything we're doing to help someone else across the world. I have gone all around raising people and teleporting them, but that in no way obligates me to be at their beck and call.
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Whm Job Traits:
lvl 25 - Bitch - Whm is expected to drop everything and trek across a zone to raise someone.
lvl 36 - Bitch II - A whm in any city is expected to drop everything to teleport someone.
lvl 56 - Bitch III - A whm is expected to drop everything to raise II any person in the same region as them, or anywhere accessable to them if they are in jeuno..
lvl 70 - Bitch IV - A whm is expected to immediately and without question go anywhere in the world to Raise III anyone who requests it.

Look again, they are there.
 
Sorry but this is all BS. I find it hard to believe there were over 100 whm's 70+ in boyanda Tree. And if you are counting on the server if i'm sitting in jeuno and you want me to come raise you in boyanda it's not going to happen unless I know you.

Seeing as you were in Boyanda Tree I'm assuming your pt was at least lv50, prolly closer to 65. unless the pt leader was on crack or something I'd bet someone in your pt at least had Raise 1. Now If the dead person just took r1 you would be back xping and make far more xp then sitting around waiting for r2+.

If you didnt pick up a whm i suggest you be prepaired to possibly have to take a r1. If you dont like it buy a reraise gorget or reraise hairpin. Don't expect people to drop what they're doing because a stranger doesnt want to lose 1-2k xp.

Yes if i'm in the zone and not busy i'll come raise, yes if a pt is in trouble i'll help. But dont expect us to have esp or something. Call for help or /s please help.

The sounds of this flame is someone really needs to learn that r1 isnt the end of the world. Please note on the tele /t's i get I just ignore them for the most part, lv whm and you'll soon understand why.
 
Zalbag did you actually read what was happening or just get to the "there were 100 whm in boyahda tree" and get pissed?

A) They did have WHM...in fact he was the one that died.
B) There were not xping they were skilling up.

The reason he was pissed was not the xp loss it was that his friend goes out of his way to help people and they will not return the favour.

Can't disagree with you about the reraise part though...he probably should have cast RR3.
 
there is no reason for a white mage to ever not have reraise up. thats another pet peeve of mine.
 
Arctyrael said:
I'm sorry you feel that way. I really thought as a friend you would understand. And just because other's stay up way late - doesn't mean that I can stay up until 4 AM when I have to wake up at 6AM.

Hope somehow you can get past your anger at me for something that I wasn't willing to do.

And yes, while we were both in skill-up pts, I didn't feel like taking additional time to get 3 skill up levels by carting off to Boyahda. I was getting fairly decent skills and by going to Boyahda - it woulda taken an additional 30-45 minutes to get those skills.

As I said - feel free to ask, just because I wasn't willing to raise last night, doesn't mean that I'm not available to help next time. Without trying to sound immature - it seems awfully crappy to ask someone to completely drop what they are doing and then get mad at them when they refuse.

One last final thing - I didn't think - as friends of course- that favors were counted. My bad. I duly remember asking for help getting a Raise III in Cloister of Storms when you stopped replying to me. (I ate an R1 - no biggy)
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I was probably one of the people you asked, as I got a Raise III request.. (however, I was in an EXP party..and in Ro'Maeve, even..so I had no chance in hell of coming to R3 you without losing my party and taking 30 mins or more to get there to boot..).. =\


I personally have accepted R1s rather than drag out WHM buddies to R3 me. And I've also asked people to come R3 me, even when it helluva out of the way at times, and I owe them deeply for this (primarily Lavi, Reishu and Tepps)

It's nice when people go out of their way to help, I personally try to whenever possible (only times I tend not to is if I'm preoccupied, and even then if it's some nearby deal I still help..). But that doesn't make me a good WHM, it just makes me a somewhat nice person. And while it's nice when a WHM jumps out to help someone, it's their job to help themself and their party, not everyone, or else I'd hafto PL 8 parties just trying to walk to Selbina.
 
Rinoah said:
The reason he was pissed was not the xp loss it was that his friend goes out of his way to help people and they will not return the favour.
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I'm really not sure if this is a flame anymore more than a discussion of justifications but what the hell...

I'm guessing since Paddington only posts here when he is angry at someone or he just doesn't feel that I deserve a response to what I hoped he would see as an apology. No matter - he has probably seen this and just doesn't care atm.

I acknowledge that he has helped me in the past. When I was a lvl 40-60 whm bitch, I lived in Gusgen Mines mining making my living. It is about all I could do to make money at those lvls. Occasionally WHEN I SAW Paddington in Jeuno - I would ask him if he could d2 me - and I met him at the crag... nothing that took more than 2 minutes. (He was with Longdukdong all the time, so he had easy tele's) This maybe happened 3- or 4 times. There was one time when he was even in Konschtat Highlands that I asked for a d2 and met him between the Valkurm zone and the crag.

I'm sure there have been a few other times he has been of assistance and I really appreciate it - but once again, nothing that made him go 4-5 zones out of his way to help me. The one time I asked for that, he stopped replying to me. Not even to tell me what I found out from my linkshell (There were no WHM's 70+ on that could raise me). So yea, I owed him petty favors - and before anyone discusses my motivations, I certainly would have gone to raise Longdukdong had I been in Jeuno AH camping.

I'm sorry, I was busy. I've never bugged you(paddington) when you have been busy - other than to talk. So I guess you can just leave me on your blacklist for something as stupid and petty as ~1800 exp. I just feel sorry that I had to waste Longdukdong's time tele'ing you to warp me back to Jeuno.
 
I wasn't trying to flame you i was pointing out the reason that padington (Sp?) was pissed off. Also i think he meant that duckie had helped people and that was what i had pointed out...

As for your apology...yeah i thought it was fair enough, your not his bitch, you were busy and you were tired. i dont think you should have even apologised to him really...all it got you was a Blist. Anyway just wanted to clear that up...
 
lol - I apologized b/c he was my friend in game. I'm kinda confused as to why he got so angry over 1800 exp. You can make that up in like 10 mobs. not something to freak over. Try losing 14000 exp in 2 days - then you might be a lil mad if people can't R3 you.
 
I get pissed when i die in an arkward place usually...But i swallow the R1 both so i can get on with what i am doing and as a reminder to put Reraise on at all times.
 
hey i know paddington and hes a cool guy.. ive encountered him many times during the game and i remember him when i first started levelling in the dunes.. from the entire time ive know him hes always been a real cool guy so if hes this upset over this than i think u shud just back off and let all this arguing go. i understand that some of the whms he asked were prolly busy.. but if he claims to have asked 100whms and no one came... then id be pretty pissed too.. so anyway what im trying to say is if my whm was that high i woulda came to help ya buddy.. lol.. ya know theres ways on this game to make a good name for urself and helping out others is the best way.... o and by the way.. the whole japanese thing saying they wouldnt understand.. yea im pretty sure: raise, can i have it, please is in the auto translate function

:roll:
 
hey i know paddington and hes a cool guy.. ive encountered him many times during the game and i remember him when i first started levelling in the dunes.. from the entire time ive know him hes always been a real cool guy so if hes this upset over this than i think u shud just back off and let all this arguing go. i understand that some of the whms he asked were prolly busy.. but if he claims to have asked 100whms and no one came... then id be pretty pissed too.. so anyway what im trying to say is if my whm was that high i woulda came to help ya buddy.. lol.. ya know theres ways on this game to make a good name for urself and helping out others is the best way.... o and by the way.. the whole japanese thing saying they wouldnt understand.. yea im pretty sure: raise, can i have it, please is in the auto translate function
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Thats what I'm sayin. Paddington is cool - which is why I'm confused that he got so mad about it. Sure - some people do say they are busy and they aren't. But the ones that have posted here so far - were busy.
 
Arctyrael said:
hey i know paddington and hes a cool guy.. ive encountered him many times during the game and i remember him when i first started levelling in the dunes.. from the entire time ive know him hes always been a real cool guy so if hes this upset over this than i think u shud just back off and let all this arguing go. i understand that some of the whms he asked were prolly busy.. but if he claims to have asked 100whms and no one came... then id be pretty pissed too.. so anyway what im trying to say is if my whm was that high i woulda came to help ya buddy.. lol.. ya know theres ways on this game to make a good name for urself and helping out others is the best way.... o and by the way.. the whole japanese thing saying they wouldnt understand.. yea im pretty sure: raise, can i have it, please is in the auto translate function
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Thats what I'm sayin. Paddington is cool - which is why I'm confused that he got so mad about it. Sure - some people do say they are busy and they aren't. But the ones that have posted here so far - were busy.
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understood... hence thats why he never named anyone in particular :roll:
 
Sabia said:
alanon said:
For my part, I hesitate raising anyone in hell (eldieme). Too many times I've tried to raise someone there, only to see a group of undead aggro from a mile away to come kill the poor soul yet again.

What were you doing in Hell sabs? Did you get whatever it was done?
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First we were getting paper for two awesome lil peeps and then we decided to get my whm bell. (WOOT). Someone's sneak wore just as they fell down the hole so when the rest of us dropped the ghost that was casting thundaga smoked us and we lost our sneak.

We all ended up wiping....the HLs just sat there and watched us die even when we called for help (it was only like 3 mobs). That's the second time in a week I've died in Eld. on my smn and had to HP. Level 61 > 60, Can I have it?

I'm just of the mind that WHMs (including myself) should help people out. I'm not expecting peeps to come all the way from sandy to raise someone's ass in Valk but a little kindness goes a long way.
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HHAHAHA wow what bad luck. Anyways Sabs if you ever need help with bells coffer keys and such in Necro give me /tell, If im not busy watching the kids I'll gladly help. I can pretty much solo any mobs down there. I pretty much quit with teh merc thing since I have to move onto endgame stuff but will still help people out once a while.

lately I been having lots of free time and you seem like a really cool person when we talked. "for the record" I will help out anyone with a good reputation, when I have time. I read these boards a lot and yes it MAY be wrong but I used all your post and replys to make my asssumptions when people ask me for help. of course in-game talk is important to find out more about your atitudes too. I really hate for something thats easy to do , to become more complicated then it really is.

All I ask is that IF you ask for help BE PREPARED!!! This means knowing waht exactly needs to be done and Having oils and powders!! I have been too nice in the past that i have bought these items for people before.
If you can't take the time off to farm for enough money to get a stack or each of these dont bother asking for help. It just shows laziness and a lack of respect for people who are trying to help you. "just last night i went on a promy run and 2 guys says (thats 3k!! i can't afford those) they needed to buy about 9-13k of stuff and couldn't afford it!" Honestly if you can't afford to go Do NOT go! lol sorry for such long rant..
 
I expected better from you is why I was upset but since you brush it off as a thing of so little consequence I suppose I was wrong and as such I'm sorry I asked you in the first place. The whole point in the beginning was that I don't see why some people have to make it such an ordeal to get a little common respect and courtesy when the request is so simple. And for any who may have been asked for an R3 it wasn't that you couldn't or didn't come it was that we asked over 75 people and everyone said no. Out of that many surely 1 could have come. I'm sure some had very good reasons for not coming but quite a few gave no reason other than the 2 letter statement "No".

I suppose it's my fault really for expecting others to believe as I do that helping others is not a burden but a responsibility. I understand that personal gain is the only motivation some people have and that I may judge some people too harshly because of it. But I do wonder what our server will be like in another year if this current trend of selfishness continues?

Thank you.
 
WHM have no obligation to run out and help you. They have things to do in the game, as well. They should never be expected to drop whatever they're doing to go raise you. Not everyone just stands around in Jeuno or some zone waiting for a raise request.
 
I agree, I often hear ppl say WHMs are full of themselves and we're selfish well, some WHMs might be that way but introspectively you gotta look at it from both sides: How would you feel if were a WHM and you were protecting your friends party, farming, doing a few quests and you all of the sudden get a tell asking for a WHM capability?

Like Ish i cant count how many times someone has demanded I leave my party to do R2 for them and even as BLM just have some demand I drop my party to D2.

I would politely say sure, or the opposite, [I'm sorry, I'm busy right now], but then I'm selfish cause they said it's my "duty" as a WHM to bow down to their ever whim.

No. The way I see it, WHMs dont have to Raise anyone but we choose to Raise someone cause it's the right thing to do and out of the kindness of our hearts. I mean, who wouldnt revive someone that they see dead on the ground in a bad place eh?

It is not a WHM, rather any player of any job's obligation to do such.

If someone is busy, just accept it and search elsewhere for someone that's more available. If you are dead ask your LS or friend to help you search, it's not that hard to type /sea WHM [level here] all.


If any of this made sense

In short, (yeah right XD) all the abilities we share with each other to help each other out are not rights, they are privileges that we use at our free will. I'm not saying be mean and not help someone. I'm just saying no one has the right to get mad at someone because someone has other plans and a lot of ppl lose sight of that when asking for help. What I've noticed it's not lower lvl ppl doing this most of the time, its random higher lvl ppl than me acting like spoiled children and I think it sucks.
 
Okay-- I'm starting to get really pissed reading this. So much I often wonder if this thread is meant to be a joke. The sad thing is I know that it is not. I understand the return the favor rage. Been there, done that. I can count on one hand the amount of times I have had someone hop more than one zone to give me a raise. Usually the person was either heading that way or extremely bored. I can count on both fingers and toes (and still lose count) of the times that I have done so for someone else. There are many who can vouch for this. I'd like to consider myself a nice person. In fact, I'm getting tired of being a nice person. Getting tired of eating a raise 1 or 2 and listening to people dare complain when they receive anything less than a raise 3. This might sound cold, but it's a double sided knife.. people need to start paying white mages their worth.

Countless shouts of people asking for help killing (insert mob name) for (insert reward amount). Noone considers that person who accepts said reward to be selfish, nor do they consider the mercs who offer their services as being selfish either. In fact most are very happy to pay said amount! That's been an accepted part of the game. Why the hell do white mages have this "responcibility" to raise every dead body for FREE?! Why must I drop 250 mp on any random body? Why am I a bad person if I feel as though I deserve conpensation for not only the time it takes to raise that person but the months it took me to be able to cast raise III on them?... Why do I cast sneak and invisible on every single party member that asks for it just because I have the spell.. even though had I not been there to do it they would have been more than happy to shell out gil to an alchemist who 'spent their time' to craft oils and powders?! You want to know why white mages are so much "selfish" at later levels? We're tired of being your personal *bleeps* for the countless numbers of levels prior.

Yah, I know those who know me are muttering "hypocrite"... cus they know that the minute I get back in game and they need a raise or any other spell cast that I will most likely be the one to give it to them.. I'd like to think that they would in turn offer their blade in my time of need. In the end I never forget those who have helped me. But, I will be damned if I allow people to think for a second that I raised them because I was doing my "job"... no, I was doing them a favor and trying to be nice.
 
It's pretty dangerous to go Raise someone in another area, especially if you have a map of the area and will still get aggro. My entire party in Bibiki Bay got killed...I was the whm and forgot Reraise, so I homepointed and went back to Raise my party. It was my fault I had no Reraise ^_^; so I had to eat the exp loss. But that only took 15 minutes at the most, versus looking around for a whm and dragging them out of their parties.
 
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