White Mage Subs...

Shaidalyn

Shaidalyn

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Okay, so there are 3 real subs for Whm
/blm
/smn
/rdm
Now BlM gives me warp, later Escape, decent MP, and Conserve MP
Smn gives a butt load of MP and auto-refresh
Rdm gives mediocre MP, but Fast Cast and later Dispel, and Phalanx

Warp is beautiful, and soon Escape.. that can really save time/a life.. But there are no other blm spells of use, and so far at 50 I have never had MP issues aside with links. I have great hMP and I will have incredible in 1 level.
Auto-Refresh is awesome, period. But no warp, no Conserve MP, nothin else, oh.. but I get cute lill Carby to sit with when bored.
Fast cast is heavenly.. I am going INSANE with this /wait 20 in my haste macro.. that's like death to me.. Erase and Haste are the most cast spells by me easily.. even Regen II has a lengthy recast. I also take hate on occasion when I feel the PT's life is in danger (DS Curaga II) and for when a rdm or brd is not avail, I still have Dispel ready for use.

Smn is my most likely venture.. but it is level 13 ; ; so that's a LOT of work to raise it for whm, and I dont wanna stop leveling whm till 60.

Just thinkin... feel free to call me dumb or w/e.. I just want to see what works best. ^^
 
Well, don't use RDM, because its rather useless for a WHM imo.

BLM and SMN are by far the most usefull subs for WHM, and they're all good in different situations. Personally, I almost always use SMN sub in exp parties, but I have BLM lvled in case I need it.
 
I perfer Sub smn for whms. A lot more mp and auto refresh post 50. I often bite my lip at how many whm's use blm subs just because Smn is "too hard to lvl".
 
I adore Smn, its one of the most pleasant jobs :3 but I'd prolly duo it, which means slow leveling.. so I will prolly hit 60 first then take it to 37.. I will have all subs avail, always. its how I am when I can be ^.^
 
I have /SMN available, but I hate using it and don't volunteer that I have it. I prefer /BLM because I don't like to sacrifice utility -- Escape, Warp, Tractor, Elemental Seal, Sleep -- for a larger MP pool I don't need if I have an even halfway decent Refresher. In 70 levels, nobody has ever asked me if I could use /SMN.

You should of course have /BLM and /SMN available. /RDM gives you nothing of use; you'll just have to get used to the slower casting times.

/SMN isn't really useful until your WHM is Lv. 50.
 
Okay, thank you guys. ^.^

And Whn dinged 50 tonight :D so that's a plus.. I'll stick to /blm for now and work up Smn as I can.. Sleep has saved me a few times.. and I prolly will get used to whm casting speed.. I just am so used to my rdm with AF >.>

It's fun.. I can't wait till Monday when I come back to aim for 60 :D
 
i love the mp boost you get wit smn and if you ever need to get out just tele and run back whm/smn 4TW
 
BLM till level 50, on occaisions like getting around and teleporting etc it's useful for warps, and soloing for Aspir.

SMN post 50 for Auto-refresh and AoE blink (Aerial armor by garuda) is very useful, but not 100% needed.

RDM I guess is useful for fastcast Cure IV/Cure V when your tank takes a sudden leap into red HP (Tonberrys, anyone?). Other than that, I can't see much benefit from this sub, they get roughly the same stats (if a little lower) as a sub, and the spells learnt on this job aren't really needed for the WHMs reportoiré.

NIN is also good for soloing at level 75, with both tiers of utsusemi, stoneskin from the main job and cures also, you can become almost unstoppable when used correctly. WHMs also get some fairly badass melee gears (Darksteel maul, Reverend mail etc.) so you can kick a fair amount of ass for a mage :D

Hope this helped.

(my main opinion is to hop on SMN once you have access to it and some avatars which can be of use.)
 
The real reason you want to /blm is for Conserve MP, stuff like Escape & Warp are just extras. Imo you save alot with Conserve MP, then you get out of Auto-Refresh (You only get 20 MP a minute from it). And the difference in MP is not that much when comparing to /blm and /smn.
 
I don't really know about rdm sub at lvl 50 since you still won't have dispel yet or anything, maybe 65+ rdm sub would be good though. I know a 75 whm that always subs rdm though. It's good for soloing purposes as a whm to be able to cast your stoneskin, phalanx, and enthunders while meleeing. Then the dispels if need be and gravity too.

At 50 whm though, I'd suggest with blm or smn sub for the time being though, then you can change to rdm sub at 65+ or for soloing, unless you have whm/nin... lol.
 
/blu

=)
 
I personally perfer SMN since I'm Elvaan, but I have BLM available, and usually have that when I'm solo. I actually need to level up RDM;; It's only 18.

But I have to say, it couldn't hurt to have a couple different subs available. Better to have them leveled than not, just in case. Sub what you like, or whatever you feel is best.
 
wrong thread >.<
 
90% of the time I sub /smn with whm for xp parties. Though it's nice to have /blm available. For non xp parties such as exploring, quests etc. I usually sub /blm for escape, tractor, warp.

Having smn as a sub will allow you (if necessary..though not preferred) to carby pull should you need to pull one mob from a group to keep the chain going. With a nin tank I don't use aerial armor a LOT...but depending on what we're fighting if I know the monk is gonna be pulling hate (we've been fighting bones in gustav lately) it can be quite helpful. Shining ruby is also helpful at times for a nice def boost (I used it more in the 50's to give the nin a def boost for when/if shadows dropped and he was interrupted.

You'll be glad to have all available to use when the occasion calls for them.
 
/SMN is only really useful if you're going to AA. You get more MP out of MP conserve(BLM) than you do from autorefresh. AA is of course inefficient so the only reason people really use it is for gods. I'd suggest exp with BLM and SMN for endgame activities. Forget the warp and escape, you can teleport yourself anyway to get back. BLM is just all around better for exp. If your MP pool is a program that's a gear issue. There's not much except +Mp and -enmity you need to equip anyway.

Now another alternative that I used very often leveling my whm 50-75 and still sometimes as WHM merit... I like WHM/BRD. Even if all you cast is ballad, it's better than autorefresh and it helps all the other mages. If MP is no problem(for example Nin tank), you can give the melees all a minuet and the mages a ballad. This is way way useful, especially if the ninja has melody earrings. Not so great if you already have a BRD in your party.

I'm not sure how the new jobs play out as sub, or how WHM/PLD would play out now that it's a bit more viable... maybe 70+ Blink/stoneskin > Cover? Probably more of an endgame thing.
 
Xean just switched his sub to SMN and he prefers the extra mp and auto-refresh and he still has clear mind which would of been the only job trait he'd had to go without. The conserve MP only happens on occassion so isn't really that noticed... so i'd suggest the /smn.
 
I sub BLM for one fact alone, and that's I don't have much time to work up and on SMN. Work 60+ hours a week, and the other things I want to do IG are prioritized. So... yeah. If you don't have time or are in a situation like me, I doubt anyone will ever flame you for it. Go by preference, and if you have a RDM I think this is inconsequential. A RDM that's good with Refresh will nullify the problems of the differences between the two jobs. Y'know what I mean? If raising Gil is priority one over lvling SMN, then raise gil. Especially when you don't have time to do both within the timeframe you've set for yourself.
 
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