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why cant i get back whats mine
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Well, yea, if it was a gift then he shouldnt give it back. But it wasnt a gift.....it was a loan. It was given to him and he was to pay back the gil it was worth once he had the gil.
Its too bad that FFXI doesnt have thugs you can send over to get the gil or the person starts losing limbs, like IRL. Its hard enough to get gil in this game as is......A person cant afford to get screwed over.
Its too bad that FFXI doesnt have thugs you can send over to get the gil or the person starts losing limbs, like IRL. Its hard enough to get gil in this game as is......A person cant afford to get screwed over.
after reading all this.. I'm going to start screen capping everything I loan, borrow, etc...
conversations, and everything. .this is ridiculous..
If he trusted him enough to buy it for him expecting returned gil.. then that's alot of trust. That's never been a cheap item as far as I know. It's only acquired from a bcnm60 in Quicksand Caves.. and not a real common drop. So... yeah. not easy to come by. If Fitz was kind enough to buy and deliver to wait for pymnt.. that's very nice of him..
If that be the simple short of it, regardless if fitz took an extended break or even quit, on his return that gil should have been paid back. If he doesn't have the gil the item should be returned.
if what Rhinegold says is true, then why is he even willing to pay the gil he's offered..?
I know a few of my friends have quit the game. When one returned, though he said I could sell his gear, I returned what I had. I don't think I sold any except for 2 or 3 easily replaced items. No questions asked. I respect my friends that way..
However, something tells me that not all the details are given here.
basics are one of two:
1) either Fitz bought the item expecting to be reimbursed...
2) Fitz bought it for Rhine as a going away present...
either of those two options in my opinion warrant the respect of having at least the gil reimbursed if not the item... It's been some time I'm assuming that Rhine has developed some means at making gil, or is able to do a BCNM or two ... camp an NM... It's taking an act of kindness and spitting on it otherwise. It would be unfair to pay the inflated price, but if he can remember the original price, that at least should be repaid.. just a matter of common courtesy.
my 2 gil
edit: spelling, grammar.
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I don't want to change my original post.. but I just read the original post.. Rhine already stated he'd pay back the gil.. if I recall it's 1.4 mil I think that Fitz said he paid for it. Another assumption is that Rhine hasn't paid that... Why has this progressed this far.. Rhine, rather than ruin your reputation, why haven't you paid him back... and if I were you, when you do.. trade it in person, and get a screenie.. This could be very disparaging to your reputation... I know I wouldn't want it hovering over my head.. and I'm curious.. it seemed to me that you didn't take any time to tell him you'd pay him back. I noticed that he still asked for the item instead. In that post you didn't argue that it was a loan at all.. or mention that it was a gift but, instead immediately offered to give the gil. You stated you were devoting your gil to level'ing alchemy.. If I were in your position and didn't want to give the item back I would be focusing all of my time earning gil to return to him..
but all this is just me and my opinion.
conversations, and everything. .this is ridiculous..
If he trusted him enough to buy it for him expecting returned gil.. then that's alot of trust. That's never been a cheap item as far as I know. It's only acquired from a bcnm60 in Quicksand Caves.. and not a real common drop. So... yeah. not easy to come by. If Fitz was kind enough to buy and deliver to wait for pymnt.. that's very nice of him..
If that be the simple short of it, regardless if fitz took an extended break or even quit, on his return that gil should have been paid back. If he doesn't have the gil the item should be returned.
if what Rhinegold says is true, then why is he even willing to pay the gil he's offered..?
I know a few of my friends have quit the game. When one returned, though he said I could sell his gear, I returned what I had. I don't think I sold any except for 2 or 3 easily replaced items. No questions asked. I respect my friends that way..
However, something tells me that not all the details are given here.
basics are one of two:
1) either Fitz bought the item expecting to be reimbursed...
2) Fitz bought it for Rhine as a going away present...
either of those two options in my opinion warrant the respect of having at least the gil reimbursed if not the item... It's been some time I'm assuming that Rhine has developed some means at making gil, or is able to do a BCNM or two ... camp an NM... It's taking an act of kindness and spitting on it otherwise. It would be unfair to pay the inflated price, but if he can remember the original price, that at least should be repaid.. just a matter of common courtesy.
my 2 gil
edit: spelling, grammar.
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I don't want to change my original post.. but I just read the original post.. Rhine already stated he'd pay back the gil.. if I recall it's 1.4 mil I think that Fitz said he paid for it. Another assumption is that Rhine hasn't paid that... Why has this progressed this far.. Rhine, rather than ruin your reputation, why haven't you paid him back... and if I were you, when you do.. trade it in person, and get a screenie.. This could be very disparaging to your reputation... I know I wouldn't want it hovering over my head.. and I'm curious.. it seemed to me that you didn't take any time to tell him you'd pay him back. I noticed that he still asked for the item instead. In that post you didn't argue that it was a loan at all.. or mention that it was a gift but, instead immediately offered to give the gil. You stated you were devoting your gil to level'ing alchemy.. If I were in your position and didn't want to give the item back I would be focusing all of my time earning gil to return to him..
but all this is just me and my opinion.
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It definetly is a lesson in who to trust and who not to trust. Its sad that being to trusting is probaly one of my biggest ingame flaws. I fully expect to get burned for it one day but I really just can't stop trying to help the people I think (and hope) are my friends.
I think the link he tried to post is the same one posted earlier:
That post pretty much proves it wasn't a gift.
Fitz said basically pay the rest or return the torque. Rhine didn't say then it was a gift. He basically said 'I don't have the money.' and disregarded the part about alternatively giving the torque back.
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That post pretty much proves it wasn't a gift.
Fitz said basically pay the rest or return the torque. Rhine didn't say then it was a gift. He basically said 'I don't have the money.' and disregarded the part about alternatively giving the torque back.
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This whole thing could easily be resolved by rhinegold paying Fitzgerald the back the 1.4M as initially agreed on. While the torque price has probably gone up since, completing the transaction both initially agreed on is likely going to be a feasible compromise to remedy the situation.
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Fitz is good people, i have a fair bit of respect for the man and i think anyone who knows him, know's he's a reasonable and awesome guy. Rhine give him the stupid torque, quite clearly you're undeserving of any generousity.
We all know Rhinegold is rat though. If you really want to laugh out loud, search up Rhinegold's posts and look for the one where he's talking about his reputation.
Fitz, you can have the remainder of the gil I owe you to end this. When I log on next, I will send it to you.
I like how everyone is like "omgz fitz!! wb!! u are uber PLD 4L!!" *disregard anything valid Rhine says* "ur my fav PLD ever!! {master}!
Just because I have been accused of things in the past, does that effect the legitimancy of anything else I say? Probably, but obviously not to this extent.
I dont care if the item was a HQ JSE +2346237, a gift is a gift on a non-return basis unless otherwise indicated.
Beleive what you want, tell stories, poke fun at, do whatever that doesn't affect the gameplay of others; you certainly have the right too.
Fitz, I sent Petey 300k a while back, so I think I owe you about 500k. I'll send it to ur DB whenever I log on. Let this request/flame die here.
I like how everyone is like "omgz fitz!! wb!! u are uber PLD 4L!!" *disregard anything valid Rhine says* "ur my fav PLD ever!! {master}!
Just because I have been accused of things in the past, does that effect the legitimancy of anything else I say? Probably, but obviously not to this extent.
I dont care if the item was a HQ JSE +2346237, a gift is a gift on a non-return basis unless otherwise indicated.
Beleive what you want, tell stories, poke fun at, do whatever that doesn't affect the gameplay of others; you certainly have the right too.
Fitz, I sent Petey 300k a while back, so I think I owe you about 500k. I'll send it to ur DB whenever I log on. Let this request/flame die here.
But you never said it was a gift before when he called you out on it? How does 300k+500k=1.5mil? Also don't forget you also owe and extra 700k that you admited to accepting already. You've jacked this thread up so much its hard to follow.
I'm not in here saying omgz he's 1337 I'm in here because you try and con any person you can on this server and then talk trash on it.
You've given no valid points to why he shouldn't get the torque back other then it was a gift. That would of been understandable if you had claimed that the first time he wanted the torque or money and you promised to pay back.
I think you should give the torque back and not be given the option of paying for it from him for that price. You've tried to screw him over and didn't pay up when you said you would befor. You should have to pay full retail on that item now.
I'm not in here saying omgz he's 1337 I'm in here because you try and con any person you can on this server and then talk trash on it.
You've given no valid points to why he shouldn't get the torque back other then it was a gift. That would of been understandable if you had claimed that the first time he wanted the torque or money and you promised to pay back.
I think you should give the torque back and not be given the option of paying for it from him for that price. You've tried to screw him over and didn't pay up when you said you would befor. You should have to pay full retail on that item now.
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Thanks for coming through rhinegold. I will archive this thread as soon as Fitz confirms he received the cash. I hope that everyone else who feels strongly about this issue shows restraint in this particular thread.
Isnt Rhinegold the one always wanting conquest points for windy? claims he/she will give you gil and actually dont ?
i honestly didnt want to have things end up like this.. i had no idea that some people had a problem with rhinegold, if i knew that, then i wouldnt have made a thread.. but from what he says, he lied about everything, and the proof is from the first post i made a couple months back..
i know i repeated this, but.... it was not a gift...... i did not tell him i was quitting...... when i did quit,i posted about this before, and i asked him nicely to send the torque to my brother or my friend in this forum...... he promised to pay in a couple weeks and its been 11 months... and he actually did say that he will try to raise gil to pay me back... now tell me, rhinegold, why are you lying about all this after what i have done to help you?
also, i have not recieved the gil yet, but ill PM you, sculli to confim that i have the gil..
i know i repeated this, but.... it was not a gift...... i did not tell him i was quitting...... when i did quit,i posted about this before, and i asked him nicely to send the torque to my brother or my friend in this forum...... he promised to pay in a couple weeks and its been 11 months... and he actually did say that he will try to raise gil to pay me back... now tell me, rhinegold, why are you lying about all this after what i have done to help you?
also, i have not recieved the gil yet, but ill PM you, sculli to confim that i have the gil..
He tried that fast one on me. Offered 20k each for the item when they were selling for 30k each on ah. Me I'm a nice guy so I got 3 for him (2k points I had plenty why not help and make a lil money) well I put them in trade and he puts in 20k I'm like dude its 60k 20k each. He then tells me that wast our agreement and that he was trying to make money on this lmao um... I said ok look 20k each or ill walk over to the ah and sell them for 30 each and you can buy them there. Well he goes whatever and walks away nice guy ^^
Also yelling at everyone at divine might when it wast your run made it oh so fun rhine. I think you belong on a blacklist of everyone.
sculli you said it yourself you don't like it when people go back on there word, well this guy has and I witnessed it first hand.
Trying to pull another fast one here and I still think the torque should be returned do to not paying for it in the origional time agreed and then again after saying he would he still didnt . Why give this guy a break really? He has done nothing but lie and try to save face.
If it were me I wouldn't be satisfied getting a payment what? At LEAsT 3-4 months late and having to corner them to get it.
Just give the torque back rhine and maybe you'll get some of that face back you've been trying to save.
Also yelling at everyone at divine might when it wast your run made it oh so fun rhine. I think you belong on a blacklist of everyone.
sculli you said it yourself you don't like it when people go back on there word, well this guy has and I witnessed it first hand.
Trying to pull another fast one here and I still think the torque should be returned do to not paying for it in the origional time agreed and then again after saying he would he still didnt . Why give this guy a break really? He has done nothing but lie and try to save face.
If it were me I wouldn't be satisfied getting a payment what? At LEAsT 3-4 months late and having to corner them to get it.
Just give the torque back rhine and maybe you'll get some of that face back you've been trying to save.
Add 50% intrest per month overdue...lemme see i work out that 11 months late he owes you 121mil and some change...
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Fitzgerald said:
you forget, people tend to find out when others quit. i dont know you from a hole in the ground, but i knew you quit. it came up in a ls conversation at one point i think. either way, people find out when others quit by word of mouth.
MayMaythaBiznitch said:
WTH?
Ummm.. I always pay for them. 50k a pop. Thanks. After passions little incident, I realized the errors of my ways and incerased the value.
passions said:
WTH? You were the bitchin about "if you don't let my 62THF in BLM manaburn DM, im leaving!!!" We got out earring, but you left pt after we couldn't provide a leech. Whoops.
passions said:
He sent me 700k for the torque, and I sent it back. I don't steal things that are not mine.
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