Why hate the new gil helper ppl thing...~

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Well I dont understand how you guys made like 100000000000000 flames about colbwa be wit the gil sellers but now we have Ascar and Um Misster and Um. . . Someother people that I cant remember that are in that LS "SaluteII" I dont see anyone flaming them or anything. . But you all got mad at colbwa for doing it? I think you got mad cuz he was just an ass to everyone. . but yea.. I dont have a problem with gil sellers I dont see whats wrong with selling gil or buying it or anything,Im just wondering. ..
 
Because gil sellers monopolize NMs and break rules to get their bread and water dinners? Thats why. No one would have a problem if they did things legit, but no, they have to go the extra mile and ruin everyones experience just so they can earn their 50 cents a day.
 
Because the game wasn't meant to play and have some extra funds put into the game to enjoy it. We're already paying the monthly fee and the gil sellers are using that as some sort of franchise fee that they pay to make their money.

Then they support the morons who spend the $100 US to buy whatever amount gil that'll get them and then they just buy the items at whatever jacked up price the items are at. These are the same people who don't want to spend the time to get their money in the game and obviously have too much money in real life if they're willing to drop that kind of cash on a virtual reality. Of course, then maybe it's some sort of compensation since then they're some supposed big shot in the game where they can hide from reality.

I just think its sad if someone has to buy gil. And you know what? If the argument is "well, we can support that family over in another country." Well, then...just get that family's name and number, send them a copy of FFXI, and get them to be your personal FFXI slave for a small fee per month.
 
Skaw I dont think u understood my question, my question is why arent u guys getting FUCKING PISSED at all the NA that are joining Gil Sellers LS, Everyone got pissed at colbwa for doing it but not misster or ascar or the other people that I cant name of the top of my head atm
 
Probably because they aren't known. I have no idea who these two people are. 8)


Once they pull some kind of publicity stunt like Colbwa did, then people will hate them.
 
I know both Ascar and Misster and well....The LS is a pretty decent HNM shell from what i heard. and yeah they makes gils and stuff.....there. and.....prolly no Drama in there lolz. and everyones asian in there it seems so that's neat. i'd join but i loathe GS. maybe a normal Asian LS 8)
 
sure i guess. ther all gil sellers tho except for the NA's
 
Skaw's right, the reason why people hated colbwa is because he broke the rules all the time to piss everyone off. If all they do is just camp with them, but don't mpk or steal, then I don't really care. I don't like that any legitimate character is helping the gil sellers, but I can live with it as long as the don't break the rules.
 
Legal Answer

I'm not sure how many will care about it, but here's the more dry reason why gil selling is prohibited. I'll leave the question of "right" or "wrong" to others; I'm just stating facts about the "why." Of course, being that I am a player who has had to compete with the non-stop monopolizing and agressive tactics of many different gil sellers, I do not like them. But here's the deal (obviously, this is just US--other countries have their own laws and there are some international treaties, but I'm not as sure about them).

The whole thing starts with the US Constition in Article 1, Section 10. ( http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html ) Any government has to start with a standard of legal currency. We are on a fiat system, which means each dollar bill is a "good-faith" note that you could exchange it at any time for whatever you need. Historically, banks used to issue their own currency, but that proved to be a disaster (check http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0801059.html about that). So to protect the currency, the government regulates all aspects of *exchanges of money or money equivilents*. That includes things such as stocks, bonds, or futures which are as good as money and the backbone of our economy. (more dry reading at http://cato.org/pubs/policy_report/cpr-19n2-1.html)

So what this means is if there is an exchange of money for money, does that make these gil sellers into banks? Are they federally insured? Do they make reporting to the responsible regulatory agencies? These are questions that we don't worry about because we are small, but companies like Sony will worry about because they are big.

And before anyone says "but I've never been arrested for..." let me remind you one simple reality: Most laws are not enforced until someone who has a responsibility to do something about it actually does something about it. Not only that, there is the problem of "equal protection" that has to be covered: you can't selectivly bring a lawsuit against one person and not another person--you have to do them ALL or NONE; otherwise you'll have a an easy case to defend. Just like with the new cases against people downloading music & movies or the signs that say "we procecute ALL shoplifters." It does not mean that it is completly legal because you keep getting away with it.

Now for the sour reality. This will more than likely NOT be acted upon by any federal agency in the near future until it becomes politcally advantagous to do so. Lets say, some kid steals money from the local charity to buy gil, and it gets on the news. The local people will pressure their public officials and...boom. Political foot ball. Happens alllll the time.

Hope...this helps. (oh dear...did I just post on the flameboard~??... /panic../cry..*nobody hurt me*)
 
I don't personally give a shit if there are gilsellers camping HNMs, sure it's annoying to see them at every single spawn every single time, but if they're not messing with mpking and stealing, theyrejust like any other LS there.
 
<-- Never knew Misster sold gil? /confused

Besides, not all people in gilseller LS may not be real gilsellers.
 
i never said they sell gil all i said was they are in the LS with them is all
 
..... @ Darlene's post going unnoticed.

You know, I didn't know that. Thank you.

It's amazing how when someone posts something that makes sense, is intelligent, and has facts based in it, everyone ignores it.

You shoulda called them a shitcock. Then they woulda paid attention. =/
 
Sonicboom said:
Bulshit, Misster and Ascar sell gil? are you guys smoking? :roll:


Ascar is chinese he said his dad was friends with them sellers.... so um LETS GET EM!!!!!!!!!!!! whaaat? i say that out loud?
 
I really don't think Darlene's arguement as to why this is wrong is correct. The gilsellers are selling a service, not acting as a bank. They are no different than any other business aside from the fact their frowned upon by the FFXI community.
 
That really is the point. Is it a service? Is it a money exchange? But when you have electronic exchange of money--no matter what tender you are talking about--the government WILL take an interest. I've worked at a store where I had to deposit large amounts of money at the bank every night. And every night...I had to fill out a great deal of paperwork and such to fill out before they'll even let you deposit that much money. And this is a *cash* transaction. Gil selling or selling like this is treated the same way. The point really isn't if you belive it is or is not a service...it's if they government belives it is or not. THAT is the reason why they do what they do.
 
Ok. I see your point and I understand what you're saying, but why, in the Government's right mind, would it consider virtual (not real) currency on a virtual (not real) world to be currency. I highly doubt they would. I highly doubt they're even concerned with this game at all. I think SE did what it did in order to try to prevent gilselling from running rampant on its servers, ruining the game.
 
Even if it is online currency.


It's being traded for real currency. Perhaps that is where the government or any organization takes it's interest.
 
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