Why some jobs are complaining (thf, pld blm...)

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ceram

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Ok this is my point of View:

I can see some pld are complaining about being replaced in xp partys by ninjas, now you get refresh and it seems you are happy.
Thf you have Sata and you can make good profits with TH
BLM will be nerfed a little to avoid manaburns partys.

OK LMAO

why those jobs which are so powerfull and so needed in all endgame things complains?

I am monk main, I played monk because I thought it was fun and good DD. Now I am at 75 for like 4 months and I have lost all my illusions about monk job. I realize how much unsefull I was in sky it seems (I didn't make Kirin). I don't have thf lvl because I considered /war was better in XP. I can see How we can't do a lot on gods, nobody want us in enm or BCNM exept to kill bones.

I still love monk job but I think they are improving paladin wich is one of the most important endgame job, and they still are doing nothing for monks, dragoons, bst, Sam, Drk, War.

More than an adjustement in all those jobs they should change some gods caracteristics, they are all weaks to magic. why don't they make gods resistant to magic and weak to melee?
For Enm same things get 6 blm or 18 blm and it is done.

I don't want to nerf any job, but I would like to see some changes in endgame mobs to make them weak to melee sometimes.
 
Wait what? Monks not useful in Gods? Since when? Sure you can dump your TP on the gods... but from what I have always heard, Chi Blast is where the monks shine in Gods. And in all honestly, it is. My WHM sub is still gimp (but getting closer to 37!), and my record highest is 1113 on 2 of the gods without fully pimped out MND gear. Plus, I usually do 700+.

/WAR will always be the superior MNK subjob when DDing. /NIN for EXP/merit parties in Uleguarand Range and some other places because we are so weak ;_; /THF & /SAM are nice to have in certain situations... and /WHM is nice to have in gods. I'm sure there are other subjobs that I'm missing, but those 5 are the ones I have in mind right now.

I will agree on you that many people do overlook just how good monks, as well as other melees, are. But... If all these changes are coming about, and at full force (read: not some minor tweaking that you can't notice a difference), you won't see many manaburned BCNMs, ENMs, Missions, Quests, etc.
 
My whm is 37, and I did subed it for gods, I used to eat goblin mushpot for mind +10 , and suzie suna ate, but when I saw I didn't get that much a chance to do chi blast I stoped it.

In my last ls we are doing swap Jobs, and a lot of time I got the invite when the boost effect was gone because melee didn't disband quick enough to do their Sata.
with AF + mind food + suzie I did 800 I think the most on gods.

In fact what I want to point is not that monk are not That much important in endgame. I want to point that the jobs which are complaining the most are the ones wich should not really complain.

I hardly never see a sam or drg or monk or war or bst complaining about their traits. I guess we are used to what we have and we are happy with our jobs. I am happy with my monk job and who else can make that backflip on asuran fist as a tarutaru monk.

And I also wanted to point that if square want to make some jobs more popular instead of trying to change the abilities they should changes the mobs we are fighting. Why the gods are all only weak the magic? this is a point I would like to understand!
 
Chi blast is just a waste of time.No offense but yes you can do 600 dmg to 1k dmg but isn't it after like 5 mins or something (2 mins??).During that time i'm sure a blm or a rdm or a rng can do far more dmg.yes the jobs need improvements and its even more important now that the three new jobs are so cool
 
Its every 3 mins. Which is not very bad at all. It just seems some linkshells get lazy with the switch ins and often ignore mnks.
 
I think monk can be fairly useful in Kirin when properly utilized by an LS. However I do agree with you that they should make more mobs that are weak to melee and resistant to magic. I think a lot of the stigma about certain jobs is simply because many endgame mobs are designed in such a way 1 DD overbearingly is more effective than the others. They need more variety in endgame mobs and BCs.
 
Tyrath said:
Its every 3 mins. Which is not very bad at all. It just seems some linkshells get lazy with the switch ins and often ignore mnks.
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I may have found a linkshell wich is recruiting monk, it seems that exists. I just have to wait to see if they will take me in it. It is my only hope to do things in endgame or sky. It is also my hope to see that monks can be usefull for engame ls.

But still every endgame LS are recruiting BLM. Maybe the blm nerf will help other jobs to get in endgame because if you put 5 blm + bard in same party are alliance it will be less effective than before.

I didn't care much about manaburn partys for xp. Everyone should choose the best way for them to do xp. for endgame it is different. Once you hit 75 you are looking for some more.

And more monk is expensive job, not beeing able to get in KS runs make my life harder to get gils
 
Problem is there's very few fights that BLM isn't effective in. Even the god who resists the hell out of magic you want several BLM in for stunning.

What is needed is...

Gods/HNM that don't have massive regen so spike damage is required.
Gods/HNM that BLM and SMN are out-dot-ed on by melee.
Gods/HNM that don't have dangerous TP moves making stacking melee a good way to commit suicide.

On the other side of the fence consider what it's like to be a BLM where you're needed but there's little reward for the BLM. Even if you participate more you'll get less because there's much less for you.
 
ceram said:
In my last ls we are doing swap Jobs, and a lot of time I got the invite when the boost effect was gone because melee didn't disband quick enough to do their Sata.


I hardly never see a sam or drg or monk or war or bst complaining about their traits. I guess we are used to what we have and we are happy with our jobs. I am happy with my monk job and who else can make that backflip on asuran fist as a tarutaru monk.
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First I'd like to address the fact that I do understand, and share, your frustration when melees don't disband in time for us to be swapped in for Chi Blast. And it's even a bigger problem when you have 3+ monks... so you'll have to time it so that not every monk is asking to be invited into the alliance to chi blast at the same time.

You should damn well be happy with backflips!! I'm sooo jealous of you tarus ;_; But I'll have to say that I do thoroughly enjoy monk. Always have, always will.

I also agree with Firestreak on all his points.

But I hear that there will be more job abilities/traits update later...??? So... maybe then. I'm not sure though.
 
Firestreak said:
On the other side of the fence consider what it's like to be a BLM where you're needed but there's little reward for the BLM. Even if you participate more you'll get less because there's much less for you.
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If you have to choose between rewards and fun what do you choose?

My choice is all done!!! I am not that much equipement oriented, all I look for is have fun with good people.

Looking the others having fun with gods and have me look at it and count my boost and just refuse invite to join party because it is too late, or do my chi blast for 150 hp really disapointed me.

So ok BLM don't get much in sky but they get all in BCNM and usually all blm I know have an other job so they can get the equipement for this second job
 
As it seems We can't edit today:

Also wanted to say it is not the fact that I only do chi blast, it is also the fact that other people don't consider you usefull.

At the end of fight what people say!!

Hey pld good JOB, BLM good job: most dmg made by blm. Just being considered by the others is important. I never saw a "Nice chi Blast" lol
 
While i do agree that there is way too much bitching going on from some jobs.

ceram said:
Thf you have Sata and you can make good profits with TH
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That statement was just designed to piss thieves the fuck off. Thats right thf have sata and so of course post 60 everyone subs thf and is prefered over a thf. Make good profits with TH?!?!?! We already get annoyed at the fact that everyone want's us ONLY for TH in hnm groups or prettymuch anything for that matter. Now with that statement you just implied that that's the only thing thf are good for since SaTA is comepletely subbable post 60. You may have not intentionally implied that but you still ended up doing that.
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Tip for chi blast... Don't count your boosts. Well... don't let that be the only thing you do. Watch your attack, learn what boost #11 and 12 look like on your attack value. For me, it's 603 attack = Boost #11. That way, if you lose count, you can just watch your attack for that magic number.

Other things... get Erase for your WHM sub if you don't have it, and use that MP. Cure the tank, Paralyna the melee, etc etc etc. Bring juice if you won't have time to rest. In short... think BRD. Look at what they do while not singing Ballad on the mages. (If they do nothing, they either suck, or your group kicks 10 kinds of ass)

And if you've never seen "Nice chi blast," um... you needa get better MND gear. The basic stuff isn't that expensive. Devotee's, Crown, RSE, Justaucorps, decent Belt/Rings, that San d'Orian CP mantle, maybe an ENM earring (You taru get a MND ENM earring?), quest the Promise Badge... with all that, probably under 200k, unless prices have spiked since I last looked. Pride Staff is more expensive than all that other stuff. You said you have Suzaku's, with the gear I listed and a Goblin Mushpot, you should easially break 1k. And it's the 4 digit numbers that make people go wow. If they still dont' go wow... they just have filters on. At which point, it's not your fault.
 
QUOTE]Now with that statement you just implied that that's the only thing thf are good for since SaTA is comepletely subbable post 60. You may have not intentionally implied that but you still ended up doing that.[/QUOTE]

I don't like people making shortcuts... I consider that there is no best job than thf to make the thf job. Also as a thief you are still doing a lot in endgame. In dynamisis you are the puller, in sky you also are puller of pop items mobs.
You also are looking for them aroung in sky.

For the gils when you can steal from mobs beastcoins or have better drop rates that any other jobs it is a great advantage. Consider as I said that for exemple monk is really expensive with equipement and we have no good ways to make gils. So sorry but TH2 is a Big thing
 
ceram said:
Consider as I said that for exemple monk is really expensive with equipement and we have no good ways to make gils.
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Gyah! Have you even tried doing anything with your MNK? Chi Blast = claim NMs. Sub THF = better drops while farming. Sub RNG = widescan for those large NM spawns. Sub NIN = solo almost anything THF can. Chakra = nice big Cure every 5 minutes while farming.

MNK is capable of a hell of a lot, you just needa actually... what's the word... try?
 
dynamis pulling is basically dying on command....and th2/steal isnt what gets thf invited to parties.
 
Lemme tell you something that pathwriter posted over on KillingIfrit, I think you'll appreciate it.

pathwriter said:
I think your problem is that you're looking at "end-game" and only seeing "Chi Blast." There's a difference between the two.

First of all, even when you are "just" using Chi Blast to down the gods (and this really makes up less than 1% of your time unless you log in solely for this purpose), you're in the very unique position to not only do serious damage but also to be vital backup for your tanks. Those Monks who don't wuss out and sub Ninja to gods are there with their White Mage sub. That gives you Cure III, Curaga II, Divine Seal, Raise, and Erase. Put yourself to use while you spend 3 minutes Boosting. If you don't like either option when dealing with the gods, level up your Thief sub (just because under-levelled subs suck) and join the SATA rotation. If you're really devoted to using melee, I'd recommend that you level up your Staff skill, since Full Swing (or, hell, Retribution) is going to do more for you than Dragon Kick.

Your role at HNMs varies greatly, both as per your LS and per the mob being fought. Let's take the Three Kings, first of all, since that's what most people think of when you say "HNM." At Adamantoise, if you sub Ninja you can very easily solo the local mobs, you can even tank two at once if you have a Bard, Red Mage, or White Mage watching you. Additionally, though you'd be hard-pressed to convince your LS of this, you should be able to tank Adamantoise. I'm hedging that in very tentative tones, though, as I'm not completely sure of it. For Aspidochelone, you're really only good for handling adds and maybe using Chi Blast.

For Behemoth... hell, Monk can solo Behemoth (or used to be able to, not sure on the rage timer here) and duo or trio him painlessly, the hard part is getting claim. For King Behemoth, it's the tough-shit rule because he's kited, so it's Chi Blast or nothing, since you're not a Ranger.

At Fafnir, Chi Blast is an essential part of dealing damage but, frankly, Warriors and other jobs melee Fafnir and Nidhogg to death, so there's really no reason a Monk couldn't do the same. Fafnir and Nidhogg, however, are where a Monk/White Mage shines as a support job. Unlike that Tarutaru White Mage in his Aquarian abjurations and Serket Ring, you can drop DS + Curaga II and tank the wyrm for a few rounds while your main tanks can happily go nuts rebuilding their enmity. It beats the pants off watching your mages die when you can put on an Earth Staff, maybe a Jelly Ring, and laugh thanks to your high VIT and HP.

The CoP wyrms resist Chi Blast. They don't resist Sneak Attack very well. Speak to Jepedo about some of the nasty shit he's pulled on Taimat using Full Swing. You don't even need Sneak Attack to do it, either, just spend a few minutes Boosting to 999 Attack, put on your Accuracy gear, and hope you don't miss (one of the many situations I'd probably recommend using Sole Sushi). If Jepedo, a Tarutaru no less, can put up nearly 2000 damage with Full Swing on Tiamat, there's no reason you should be pumping out 600 damage Chi Blasts. Same deal goes for Jormungund, though I imagine you could just as easily tank the Ice Elemental adds as Monk/Ninja. Snolls I am unsure about. And for Vrtra, you are an add-killing machine, after all, it's what we XP on day in and day out.

Even still, that's not a whole lot of "end-game." Want a challenge? Solo Serket. It's still possible, you just can't dally around with him going berserk after 30 minutes. Better yet, camp and solo Alkyoneus, a fast-hitting, hard-hitting, level 75 Warrior NM that fights with Hand-to-Hand. Not exciting enough? Go tank Capricious Cassie, Roc, or Simurgh.

Still not enough? Well, to fight those gods you're so fond of being bitter about, you need pop items. Tanking Aura Pots is painless, they can even be solo'd if you're smart about it (with the added bonus that Monks don't aggro them), and your LS will love you for getting Ro'Maeve Water. You could just as easily tank Olla or Steam Cleaner. In fact, show up to virtually any non-god event prepared to tank, with the possible exception of Faust (although, I imagine you could pull off some nasty things if you went about it like a Paladin and used VIT/HP gear and an Earth Staff). Go XP/Merit on Aura Statues, that was always my favorite thing to do and you'll be camping Ullikummi in the process.

If all that bores you, there are a lot of non-end-game activities still open to you. Personally, I solo'd and duo'd my way through the Windurst Missions, solo until 6-2 and duo until 9-2 (I tanked 9-2, by the way). Go help people with Genkai II and enjoy beating the living hell out of the Boreal Hound. Do like I did, start a collection of obscure Rare/Ex items, work your way up to killing NMs that are hard to find and harder to kill. How many people own a Power Staff, hmm? It's a great way to outfit your lower-level jobs. Back when I was just a wee Monk, I camped Cargo Crab Colin for a Nadrs sword, which I used to own mobs with on my Thief as well as impress people ("Where did you get that sword? O.o"... it looks like a Greed Scimitar). Complete the Zilart Missions, even. Having watched Avesta's video of solo'ing ZM17, I'm firmly convinced that a Monk should be able to duo it with a mage. Or you could take up a craft seriously. Or camp money NMs, just for the fun of it or for the profit or both.

If all else fails, there are a dozen other jobs available for you to level. Solo'ing your AF quests for another job was fun for me, I wish I'd gotten Ninja higher so I could have done them all. Honestly, the end-game content in this game is somewhat lacking, but resigning yourself to hating it all just because one aspect of it differs greatly from your usual day-to-day as a Monk is just silly.
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Mai Ikari said:
Gyah! Have you even tried doing anything with your MNK? Chi Blast = claim NMs. Sub THF = better drops while farming. Sub RNG = widescan for those large NM spawns. Sub NIN = solo almost anything THF can. Chakra = nice big Cure every 5 minutes while farming.

MNK is capable of a hell of a lot, you just needa actually... what's the word... try?
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I have done a lot of things to make gils, farming, minning, harvesting, but:

Consider that not everyone has hours to spend just waiting for a nm camping at it so making KS run is quicker and funnier to my point and can make some good gils.

I know we can solo a lot of things and I did a lot of things alones as I don't have a big social linkshell that helped me for everything.

For the sky lesson with erase and Cure and raise:
Erase is only for myself as I am not in any party as I am boosting, Cure ok but if I am here to cure I will go as whm main I will have more MP. Raise lol I tryed many times but people didn't want a raise 1.
I hate to be like static doing nothing but so I did all what you said and it is not really a monk job.

I don't think you understand me well, I try to explain that it is not normal for some jobs to not be able to do some things as blm for exemple or bard are always needed in all kind of events, that's all but I know monks can do a lot.
But some jobs are complaining when they have all.

Now i am lvling BLM to 75 so I can also have some good things too
 
I never thought I'd see the day MONKS of all jobs would be complaining about their assets...
 
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