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Zyndara said:
I know right? God forbid people should stop being self-centered assholes a couple of times a week.
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true but on the other hand they can keep jacking 'your' zones without fear of repercussions aside from posting in threads and maybe some angry /tells or something i dont know

so really not much downside
 
CubsWoo said:
true but on the other hand they can keep jacking 'your' zones without fear of repercussions aside from posting in threads and maybe some angry /tells or something i dont know

so really not much downside
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last i checked... not too many jpn members read all NA text forums >.<
 
CubsWoo said:
true but on the other hand they can keep jacking 'your' zones without fear of repercussions aside from posting in threads and maybe some angry /tells or something i dont know

so really not much downside
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That's kinda of the point I'm making. Yeah I'm ranting, and yeah, they can pretty much get away with it... obviously, they are. But pressure's a funny thing. If enough people including their own members make a fuss, maybe just maybe someone will listen. Seeing as politely asking didn't do the trick. Seeing that many people in many shells are not going to take kindly to people being so inconsiderate. And if it doesn't, well, at least someone tried. Better then taking it and not doing or saying anything about it.

Would be nice if SE did something about it, but it's wistful thinking at best like everything else we've ever wanted them to do that would be useful. If they made reserve times like they do for reserve ballista, it wouldn't be an issue. But they won't. So we are left, like I am, trying to appeal to some shred of common courtesy in people.
 
Zyndara said:
That's kinda of the point I'm making. Yeah I'm ranting, and yeah, they can pretty much get away with it... obviously, they are. But pressure's a funny thing. If enough people including their own members make a fuss, maybe just maybe someone will listen. Seeing as politely asking didn't do the trick. Seeing that many people in many shells are not going to take kindly to people being so inconsiderate. And if it doesn't, well, at least someone tried. Better then taking it and not doing or saying anything about it.

Would be nice if SE did something about it, but it's wistful thinking at best like everything else we've ever wanted them to do that would be useful. If they made reserve times like they do for reserve ballista, it wouldn't be an issue. But they won't. So we are left, like I am, trying to appeal to some shred of common courtesy in people.
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why would their members make a fuss? THEY ARE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT. i understand you dont have a lot of options in regards to this but all the kicking and screaming and crying about it probably wont do much if their leaders and shellmembers dont give a fuck about you or your reserved times

and who says it wouldnt be a problem if you could reserve times, they might just reserve 'your' 3 hour block before you and now you cant even try to beat them to the zone and ninja it
 
I tried to tell some of your members that we have no control of it. Our leader schedules around with JP shells and doesn't know the zone till Friday. So we don't have a fixed schedule.
 
Ok so let me get this straight. Your solution is: Take it. Yeah. That's a fantastic idea.

Ok, so for the rest of the world who doesn't just take shit and ask for seconds, the option is try to make it public knowledge and hope that enough people frown on it and the shell's reputation is hurt by it. A few reputable and fairly esteemed players are in this shell and it doesn't exactly credit them to be associated with people who have such little respect for the server's player base. If they don't care, fine. If no one else cares, fine. But I still maintain saying something is better than doing nothing at all.

You keep saying "your" like I am stomping my feet and slamming a flag down on the zone. I'm not. I'm saying that times are agreed upon here for a reason. So that 30+ people aren't inconvenienced when they go to do Dynamis weekly. No one's saying hey, fuck them, they can't do dynamis. All I'm saying is, if you are aware there's a schedule, the non-asshole thing to do is to adhere to the schedule, or if there's a conflict, try to sort it out. Take a look at the shells that do that every week... and there's a lot of them. You're telling me one or a couple of shells can't bring themselves to do that? Bullshit. No they don't have to. Obviously. But that's the whole point. Absolutely no reason why people would be so unwilling to compromise.
 
Giaganta said:
I tried to tell some of your members that we have no control of it. Our leader schedules around with JP shells and doesn't know the zone till Friday. So we don't have a fixed schedule.
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So you can't check the schedule posted here and say, "Hey someone is scheduled to go in at x time on that date? If anything you or blaze or eor could be some kind of liason to try not to fuck other shells out of their time.
 
Im friends w/ eor and blaze... and even i agree w/ this >.< isnt there some kinda compromise that can happen? I dont want either pt on this to be burdened... cuz seriously im friends w/ people on both ends....
 
The reason we can't "compromise" is because we don't figure out our zone until Friday. Even then my LS has been screwed over by some other shell for 3 weeks in a row at Beauducine(sp?). I can't help that SE has failed to make a instance where more then 1 LS can enter.
 
I'm sorry to hear it. It just sucks. We don't get to do northlands frequently enough as it is and then when we finally schedule it, we get jobbed. It's just frustrating. And if you guys are trying then I appreciate the effort at least.
 
Zyndara said:
So you can't check the schedule posted here and say, "Hey someone is scheduled to go in at x time on that date? If anything you or blaze or eor could be some kind of liason to try not to fuck other shells out of their time.
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No, b/c our leader picks the zone where the other JP shells are running so he won't.
 
Zyndara said:
Ok so let me get this straight. Your solution is: Take it. Yeah. That's a fantastic idea.

Ok, so for the rest of the world who doesn't just take shit and ask for seconds, the option is try to make it public knowledge and hope that enough people frown on it and the shell's reputation is hurt by it. A few reputable and fairly esteemed players are in this shell and it doesn't exactly credit them to be associated with people who have such little respect for the server's player base. If they don't care, fine. If no one else cares, fine. But I still maintain saying something is better than doing nothing at all.

You keep saying "your" like I am stomping my feet and slamming a flag down on the zone. I'm not. I'm saying that times are agreed upon here for a reason. So that 30+ people aren't inconvenienced when they go to do Dynamis weekly. No one's saying hey, fuck them, they can't do dynamis. All I'm saying is, if you are aware there's a schedule, the non-asshole thing to do is to adhere to the schedule, or if there's a conflict, try to sort it out. Take a look at the shells that do that every week... and there's a lot of them. You're telling me one or a couple of shells can't bring themselves to do that? Bullshit. No they don't have to. Obviously. But that's the whole point. Absolutely no reason why people would be so unwilling to compromise.
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what im saying is all this sound and fury signifies nothing if the ls leader

a) doesnt give a shit about you or the schedule
b) understands the negative consequences of zone jacking

and if both of those are ok, well, they have no obligation to you or anybody else on this server. again i understand your frustration and your need to post about it on the internet but that energy would probably be better spent reworking your times/getting there early and beating them to the punch

So you can't check the schedule posted here and say, "Hey someone is scheduled to go in at x time on that date? If anything you or blaze or eor could be some kind of liason to try not to fuck other shells out of their time.
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Blaze/Eor: hey leader LS X is scheduled to go in this zone at this time
LS leader: who cares wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww we take zone

there i transcribed the conversation for you
 
Zyndara said:
So you can't check the schedule posted here and say, "Hey someone is scheduled to go in at x time on that date? If anything you or blaze or eor could be some kind of liason to try not to fuck other shells out of their time.
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We get moved zones at least 2-3 times per month. You people have to organize around a bunch of "WILLING TO COOPERATE English speaking shells, because you start during NA primetime, while we have to fix things up with JP shells who are unwilling to cooperate and lie to us on a weekly basis and force us to change zones multiple times per month.

Not only to we have to try to organize around them, we are also being asked to organize around all of the English speaking shells <Who don't seem to be talking to the leader of the shell who speaks English better then many of the posters on this site>.

Sure, you want to do your zones when you want to do them, but try being in our position, try being moved almost every saturday, the only day a week we get to run dynamis. We had to wait two hours late to enter today, I told your members who spoke with me that the earlier shell entered much later then planned and we running late on getting out of Dynamis. Zyn says she understands if runs are going late, she/he/it sure doesn't act like it.

So we have removed you from 4 runs <actually maybe backed you up a whopping hour or hour and a half at most> the reasons for that is we were ganked from our scgheduled run and ended up entering way late because we had to wait on the people who were just getting off work to log on to get there so we could enter.

Also, this was our first Beac Glacier run, I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, because I know my brother was blamed for doing this more then once today, while that is impossible, OneWingAngel <Not JeanneDaArc> has up until today never participated in a Dynamis - Beau.
 
Blazeoffury said:
Zyn says she understands if runs are going late, she/he/it sure doesn't act like it.

So we have removed you from 4 runs <actually maybe backed you up a whopping hour or hour and a half at most> the reasons for that is we were ganked from our scgheduled run and ended up entering way late because we had to wait on the people who were just getting off work to log on to get there so we could enter.

Also, this was our first Beac Glacier run, I'm not sure where you're getting your info from, because I know my brother was blamed for doing this more then once today, while that is impossible, OneWingAngel <Not JeanneDaArc> has up until today never participated in a Dynamis - Beau.
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First off, several people from our shell tried to talk to people in your shell today and not one of them was told you guys were bumped or that you were running late. We're not psychic, so forgive the hell out of us for not having that info. Don't climb all up my ass because that wasn't something that anyone bothered to express to the people asking. Had I had that information, I wouldn't have been as irritated as I was when I posted this. It's still not right, and it's still a pain in the ass, but at least there's a reason for it.

The other thing is, I never said your shell was solely responsible for every single time we have been bumped. I said this happened to our shell regularly over the past few months and people expressed they had experienced something similar also. I did not someley blame your shell, though I know for a fact it was your shell that was in the zone we had scheduled today. So you can climb off my back about not knowing what I'm talking about and read what I actually posted. I'm not responsible for what every person who responds in this thread says. I certainly didn't say anything about your shell past what happened at our run today.

I'm sorry you got bumped. We're not the shell that bumped you. All I know is that we got screwed again. This time it was your shell, and it wasn't even your shell's fault. See my post up above:
Zyndara said:
I'm sorry to hear it. It just sucks. We don't get to do northlands frequently enough as it is and then when we finally schedule it, we get jobbed. It's just frustrating. And if you guys are trying then I appreciate the effort at least.
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I don't know what the solution is. Like I said had I had the information you just gave to me, I would have reacted differently. Oh, and on a side note, thanks for the he/she/it. Was a really rude and unnecessary touch. For future reference it's "she" if you can muster up the ability to have some respect.
 
Blazeoffury said:
Not only to we have to try to organize around them, we are also being asked to organize around all of the English speaking shells <Who don't seem to be talking to the leader of the shell who speaks English better then many of the posters on this site>.
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Audino (leader of Element) has talked to at least Serise more than once. But he basically says that he doesn't care from my understanding.

Blazeoffury said:
Sure, you want to do your zones when you want to do them, but try being in our position, try being moved almost every saturday, the only day a week we get to run dynamis.
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We're living it, man. We haven't done our scheduled zone once in close to two months now (unless we managed to do it the week I was on vacation).

Dynamis is stupid, don't get me wrong. The fact that there can only be one instance of it at a time is collosial failure on S-E's part. I don't care if someone's in our zone that causes maybe a 10-20 minute delay, but having to either move to another zone or sit around for hours for the zone to be vacated is just stupid. I don't see how it could possibly be difficult for these jp shells to organize shit like we do. We're the "inferior" nation here and we can run our shit just fine. Instead of lies and backstabbing, get your leaders to actually talk to each other, it isn't hard. Once people are more willing to cooperate, it'll be easier to not blackball the other linkshells that actually try to do things in a manner that doesn't piss everyone else off.
 
Zyndara said:
First off, several people from our shell tried to talk to people in your shell today and not one of them was told you guys were bumped or that you were running late. We're not psychic, so forgive the hell out of us for not having that info. Don't climb all up my ass because that wasn't something that anyone bothered to express to the people asking. Had I had that information, I wouldn't have been as irritated as I was when I posted this. It's still not right, and it's still a pain in the ass, but at least there's a reason for it.

The other thing is, I never said your shell was solely responsible for every single time we have been bumped. I said this happened to our shell regularly over the past few months and people expressed they had experienced something similar also. I did not someley blame your shell, though I know for a fact it was your shell that was in the zone we had scheduled today. So you can climb off my back about not knowing what I'm talking about and read what I actually posted. I'm not responsible for what every person who responds in this thread says. I certainly didn't say anything about your shell past what happened at our run today.

I'm sorry you got bumped. We're not the shell that bumped you. All I know is that we got screwed again. This time it was your shell, and it wasn't even your shell's fault. See my post up above:


I don't know what the solution is. Like I said had I had the information you just gave to me, I would have reacted differently. Oh, and on a side note, thanks for the he/she/it. Was a really rude and unnecessary touch. For future reference it's "she" if you can muster up the ability to have some respect.
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Hum, I could be wrong, but I figured Meeze was in your shell. I told him about the shell before us running late. He said he had it planned to do today, and I told him most of what I just told you. I thought you had the information, so I was also ill-informed, and for jumping to that accusation, I admit I was wrong, and I apologize.


Rappa said:
Audino (leader of Element) has talked to at least Serise more than once. But he basically says that he doesn't care from my understanding.
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Well, almost everytime Audino has confronted us about it, we were inside of the zone <these are the confrontations I know of> and LS lead was not about to just up and stop a run that had already been going on for over an hour.

Rappa said:
We're living it, man. We haven't done our scheduled zone once in close to two months now (unless we managed to do it the week I was on vacation).
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My sympothies<sp> to you, but welcome to our weekly adventure.

Rappa said:
I don't see how it could possibly be difficult for these jp shells to organize shit like we do. We're the "inferior" nation here and we can run our shit just fine. Instead of lies and backstabbing, get your leaders to actually talk to each other, it isn't hard. Once people are more willing to cooperate, it'll be easier to not blackball the other linkshells that actually try to do things in a manner that doesn't piss everyone else off.
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Again, yall are organizing stuff with only one group of people, all of which speak the same language as you. We are trying to do that with the Japanese shells, and when we finally do get something worked out, then they go back on their word we get bitched at by NA shells for something that was completely out of our control in the first place.
 
Thirdstage is nothing but a bunch of dickholes. I'm pretty certain that they swiped enough of our Xarcabards that I would have had 5/5 blm AF2 if they weren't such low lifes. Retirement at 4/5 isn't that bad I guess.
 
pakomen said:
Thirdstage is nothing but a bunch of dickholes. I'm pretty certain that they swiped enough of our Xarcabards that I would have had 5/5 blm AF2 if they weren't such low lifes. Retirement at 4/5 isn't that bad I guess.
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Get on MSN you douchebag.
 
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