XBL Spring Update 2008!

Actually it has nothing to do with if you're paying or not, rather if the company thinks the product in general is doing successfully or not. It's reactionary to the bottom line, not satisfying the consumer, though they may coincide.

For example consider the amount of features added since launch for the PS3 and Xbox 360, price drops, and general complaints addressed. You'll find an inverse relationship. The worse the console is doing, the more the manufacturer does to increase its perceived value. As a PS3 owner, that meant a whole lot of cool updates. Of course, now that the PS3 is selling better, haven't gotten any good updates lately. Now look at the Wii, they used to give you a free internet channel, now they don't. Only updates are more shit they can sell you, and most of it is nostalgic crap without any improvements to take advantage of modern tech. Think if Wii was in 3rd place it would be the same picture? Doubt it.

As for the concept of paying for live meaning better anything? No... just no. You pay for live because you own an Xbox 360 and you want to play it online.

Improvements are to get the people who don't own the console yet to buy it.
 
no, i pay for live to put money towards a better customer service, the same reason most MMOs charge monthly fees. And i have recieved that service. Maybe other people just pay because they feel thats the only way they will get to play online, But thats other people. Its not what im personally paying for. If the service sucked and didnt offer that much, i would be very content with just playing offline games, i did it for months when i couldnt afford a new membership im sure it wouldnt be hard to do again if the service for some reason ever became horrible.
MS themselves has said things along the lines of "you paid for a service you expect to be great, and we are going to give you your moneys worth"

If your basing it off how well the console is doing, the 360 has been doing fine for quite some time and we still are getting awesome stuff that gets better and better, regardless of the consoles success.

I will never meet a person in my life that would work harder for free more than they would if they were being paid.

I had my own website company, and i was doing a friends band for free, and a few other bands were paying me, result was i put the paying priority higher till my friend felt neglected and moved onto another company to provide their website work.
its just how the world works really, money gets people moving.
Not to say that just because your paying for something means its going to be great or amazing, but it generally gets the most attention.
 
Chasym said:
no, i pay for live to put money towards a better customer service, the same reason most MMOs charge monthly fees.
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Actually, it doesn't matter what you think you're payin' for, it only matters how they decide to spend it. Monthly fees are -not- mainly used for "customer service" in any game or service. If I had to guess, I'd say Sony has just as much PSN support per console and MS does Live support per console.
 
Seriously i have had xbox live for years now... And if $50 a year is what it costs me to be ahead of the other online markets as far as consoles go then so be it. $50 is a freaking steal for how advanced live has been compared to the competition for YEARS now.

If this update is to give PSN most of what live has then sure i am expecting some type of improvement or reduced fee to my live service. If this improvement does not happen i still could not see myself dropping live as i have made just so many friends through the years.

Sony is 100% copying Live, and what the heck... Ya cant blame em... MS set the bar for the online console service and its not even done yet lol. This PSN update is nothing but positive for PSN users and could have nothing but a positive future result for live users.
 
To me I just can't pay for live cause I wouldn't use it nearly enough to justify it. I don't get all that much enjoyment out of online gaming except for RPGs. PSN being free still gives me access to online for all the multiplats, and the exclusives aren't really worth it to me.

Not a jab at Xbox 360 exclusives, same goes for PS3. I Would not pay $50 a year to play PSN if I got XBL Gold free. I just would have gotten GTA4, Rainbow Six and COD4 for Xbox instead. I mainly buy games for the offline component. Warhawk is pretty much the only exception, but I wouldn't have bought it without PSN free. Worth $40 easy as an online game I actually can keep playing for hours but don't see myself paying for online to play it.

As for friends, I have two RL friends with 360s. One has a PS3 so we're good there, the other will probably let his account go silver soon. He plays Halo 3 a lot but I'd only really want to play Co-op. Versus would be pointless because he's so insanely good I'd be roadkill.

But hell he is my real life friend, so magically we get to play without me having gold... like. when we see each other in real life. Of course usually we'll play something other than Halo. Usually COD4 cause it's a 4 way splitscreen deathmatch everyone likes.
 
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Pfft. Sega Saturn had the best online service. Nothing beats playing Bomberman, Daytona USA, and Duke Nukem 3D online on a 32bit console.

But seriously, Live is nice but it's nothing new. It's not special. I can do a everything live can do times a million on my PC for free. However, compared to the Wii and PS3's online services, I dig the Live.
 
Bustaballs said:
But seriously, Live is nice but it's nothing new. It's not special. I can do a everything live can do times a million on my PC for free. However, compared to the Wii and PS3's online services, I dig the Live.
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In terms of -console gamin'- it was new and is still special. To be honest if I have a choice I'll buy console over PC. I've yet to play a 360 game that was haxxed.
 
Strid said:
In terms of -console gamin'- it was new and is still special. To be honest if I have a choice I'll buy console over PC. I've yet to play a 360 game that was haxxed.
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Have you ever played Halo 2? or even Halo 3? Even GoW had its fair share of glitchers and such. Halo 3 isn't as bad as Halo 2 but I can't even count how many times I was cheated on that game by annoying 10 year olds screaming their heads off thinking they were good until finally I became an MLG fanatic and just played custom games all day.(Which was actually way more fun since I played good kids and it was a challenge).

But yeah there are a lot more people who seem to cheat in online PC games over 360 games, but I still encounter a good number of cheaters when playing 360 games.
 
Auron X said:
Have you ever played Halo 2? or even Halo 3? Even GoW had its fair share of glitchers and such. Halo 3 isn't as bad as Halo 2 but I can't even count how many times I was cheated on that game by annoying 10 year olds screaming their heads off thinking they were good until finally I became an MLG fanatic and just played custom games all day.(Which was actually way more fun since I played good kids and it was a challenge).

But yeah there are a lot more people who seem to cheat in online PC games over 360 games, but I still encounter a good number of cheaters when playing 360 games.
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Halo2 was an xbox problem that bungie just didn't care enough to try and fix. If you played H2 during the hay day of cheating than wouldn't even compare H2 to H3 or gears because they are so massively different. Because of the 360 H3 is near cheat free (save for standbyers, but that isn't something that a console can solve really) and gears had glitchers, because Epic made the netcode so terrible for it.
 
Auron X said:
Have you ever played Halo 2? or even Halo 3? Even GoW had its fair share of glitchers and such. Halo 3 isn't as bad as Halo 2 but I can't even count how many times I was cheated on that game by annoying 10 year olds screaming their heads off thinking they were good until finally I became an MLG fanatic and just played custom games all day.(Which was actually way more fun since I played good kids and it was a challenge).

But yeah there are a lot more people who seem to cheat in online PC games over 360 games, but I still encounter a good number of cheaters when playing 360 games.
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There is a HUGE difference between hacking and glitching. I never used the word "cheat" in my post. Therefore, I wasn't talkin' about all forms of cheatin', just hackin'. Probably to much a nuero twist for the Halobois to comprehend though. I'll keep my Xbox posts as watered down (almost said diluted, silly me for almost breakin' a promise while I make it) as possible in the future to accommodate (oops?) your species.

Sorry, I had to. I wouldn't be doin' my part for mankind if I didn't insult teh Galo. ;)
 
When I hear hacking I think of modding their hardware so that they can do pretty much anything they want as such was the huge case in Halo. I know when I used to play counterstrike there was a huge amount of people who would do stupid shit all day so if you didn't mean things like then what did you mean?
 
yep the worst mods for halo 2 were created by editing the PPF settings in a map and uploading that map to your xbox, only downloadable maps were useable (unless you were REALLY good at modding it)
and it required host to be forced to the modder via commview/bridging.
halo 2 and socom were the worst of all games i played that had cheating and modding in them.
 
Auron X said:
When I hear hacking I think of modding their hardware so that they can do pretty much anything they want as such was the huge case in Halo. I know when I used to play counterstrike there was a huge amount of people who would do stupid shit all day so if you didn't mean things like then what did you mean?
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Aimbots, wallhacks, nowalls, invisi man, and fun things like that.
 
Which is exactly what Halo 2 had, auto aim on head, flying, spawn mods with infinite ammo + 1 shot kill, unable to die...
 
Auron X said:
Which is exactly what Halo 2 had, auto aim on head, flying, spawn mods with infinite ammo + 1 shot kill, unable to die...
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I played a lot of Halo 2. Never saw any of that, ever. Actually, never even heard of it.
 
Strid said:
I played a lot of Halo 2. Never saw any of that, ever. Actually, never even heard of it.
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Did you happen to play Team Slayer at all lol? or even clan matches before they were removed? I find it hard to believe that you were never spawn modded.
 
Auron X said:
Did you happen to play Team Slayer at all lol? or even clan matches before they were removed? I find it hard to believe that you were never spawn modded.
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All I played in Halo 2 was Team Slayer.
 
to be quite honest, to have played halo 2 and never heard of that stuff...is like living in a shoe box for 10 years...that was the most talked about, anger producing stuff in that game, Bungie had to constantly adress it and most patches were JUST to stop some of that stuff, Dummying, Skull raining, Sky spawning, BR's that shot four sniper rounds at once and hit you no matter where you were. i played halo 2 nightly and i saw it EVERY night at least once.
 
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