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Uhh, not sure what the deal is. Canada gets dozens of people claiming refugee status every week. They probably just jumped ship over to Canada because they realized that if they go back home, they're likely to get blown up while shopping.
 
I was mainly venting about the "Oh well, they're your problem now" deal. I know we get our share of illegal immigrants.
 
Uzor said:
How does your welfare system work anyway?

I read an article in the newspaper the other day that having 2 kids at home is 3 times as expensive as having 1. In Sweden, if you get, say, $150 per month for one kid, you'd get $310 for 2, $460 for 3, and since having 2 kids is 3x as expensive as having 1, I don't see how any family could actually produce enough kids to be able to avoid working and still get enough money to feed everyone, pay rent, electricity, water etc.

I mean, with 10 kids in Sweden, you get, with today's value of the dollar, about $1594 per month. That's way less then 1 person usually make per month on a normal 9 to 5 job.

The first kid usually cost, on average, $120,000 until the day it turns 18. Having one kid usually pays you 32400 during those same 18 years. So you'd be heavily in the red after 18 years with 10 kids.

Really, I don't see how anyone could survive living on welfare costs alone.
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Roughly 90% of the town that I grew up in that was on Welfare also had Treaty cheques (Treaty Tuesday) so that combined with the Welfare cheque was enough to sustain a family.

I’m not sure about just welfare though, my single father raised 3 daughters with a teachers salary and never asked for help from the government. I know that it is doable though.
 
Well, we don't have treaty cheques in Sweden. At least not that I know of, my family never used any anyway.

In Sweden its pretty much impossible to only live on child support alone unless you live on the street, but in that case you likely don't have a kid since the government would take it away from you in the blink of an eye, and then you won't get any child support money. Sure, there's always money you can get from being unemployed, but that requires you to actively look for a job full-time for 8 hours a day and take the first job you're offered, at least when the new law passes. If you get offered jobs you'll only be allowed 3 months of unemployment cash or you'll be denied any further help.
 
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Well it seems like Sweden is doing it right because people here can get unimployment cheques pretty easily, they just need to prove they have been looking and even when they do find a job, if the money isn't comparable to what they were previously making, the government subsidizes it. My sister works as management in "Welfare and Income Assistance" - a government branch, they see this a lot.

Treaty cheques are for the Native/Aboriginals/First Nations, the First Nations get them in Canada, I'm not sure about America though.
 
Welfare + Food Stamps, PLUS salvation army handouts for xmas gifts etc..yea lazy people can get by.
 
Welfare, Foodstamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, WIC... There are a number of programs established by the government in the US to support those with little to no income.

People who abuse those programs really fucking disgust me.
 
Mirewen said:
We have that too. That's why (when I was a waitress) I refused to work on "Welfare Wednesdays" because you wouldn't get tips. Sounds horrible but when you're waiting tables for minimum wage, you depend on the tips. Working your ass off for a family of 10 that treats you like their personal slave just to get $1 if you're lucky on a $100 bill... not worth it.
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In and near the city here many privately owned restaurants almost have a sign on the door that says

WE MAY ADD 15% GRATUITY TO YOUR CHECK AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON

Also says it on the menus and waitresses usually tell you too. It avoids that entire problem. And if you don't pay it its a dine and dash. its a nice big old fuck you to the assholes that don't tip.
 
I avoid restaurants that have that. They assume they will get a tip that way (through the extra gratitude fee), and usually get more lazy and sloppy and slow and rude, and basically undeserving of a tip. I don't want to wait 45 min for the waitress to come to my table, then another 45 min for the food to come, only to get served cold or wrong food. You don't deserve a tip then.

I see a tip as a way of saying "Good job!" etc. Not as a free gift.
 
Linhjah said:
Welfare, Foodstamps, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, WIC, Social Security Disability There are a number of programs established by the government in the US to support those with little to no income.

People who abuse those programs really fucking disgust me.
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Fixed for you because there are people out there who abuse having a disabled child or "claiming" their child is disabled... My Ex wanted to do this to our daughter when she was perfectly fine and informed her in a threatening way that she ever did that, she'd never see her daughter again... I don't tolerate abusing government funding so you can have an extra buck in your pocket. Everyone has the ability to work as she was doing and using the assest to get you out of the shit you walk in is fine... not to leech on it and abuse it for life... or a living...
 
Sharpe said:
Ours is fucked up. You have people who can barely live on benefits and then you have an Afghan family of 4/5 who get over £100,000 in benefits each year.
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Disability here barely gets you anything. If I wanted to move out on my own I'd only get 200 dollars a month for rent and 600 dollars for food. Now, with CF 600 dollars on food covers only like 2 weeks of food. I have a friend with CF who is forced to live in a bumblefuck nowhere army base because he can't afford to live near the city. If he gets sick he has to take a 2 hour Bus ride to the hospital. It seems the government will gladly help those that don't need it but when it comes to needing it we get fucked.

I can't even move out on my own even though I badly need to.
 
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My friend working 40 hours a week while going to school full time can't get food stamps, WIC, cash assistance, SSI or any welfare except for about 3 shopping bags full of mostly expired food once a month. Her loser of a mom is no help either.

But her neighbor gets a completely free ride because she has 3 kids. 2 in High School and 1 in middle school. She doesn't have a job (apparently she can't work at all because of her kids who are gone 7 hours of the day :/) or any other source of income other than welfail and spotty child support from a man she fucked over (but that's another day)

So yeah you can leech off the system and live comfortably on the taxpayers back if you have no ambition than to be a loser all your life. But god forbid you wanna do something with your life and get out of the welfail cycle, then we can't help you

I personally think the welfail system needs a complete overhaul to get rid of all the leeches who are perfectly fine to work a job to make ends meet. Most of my tax money goes to welfail recipients and it pisses me off to see what they're doing with it. Welfare is supposed to be there to give people who have hit hard times assistance until they can get back on their feet, not to walk lazy people through life.
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Myrrh said:
Disability here barely gets you anything. If I wanted to move out on my own I'd only get 200 dollars a month for rent and 600 dollars for food. Now, with CF 600 dollars on food covers only like 2 weeks of food. I have a friend with CF who is forced to live in a bumblefuck nowhere army base because he can't afford to live near the city. If he gets sick he has to take a 2 hour Bus ride to the hospital. It seems the government will gladly help those that don't need it but when it comes to needing it we get fucked.

I can't even move out on my own even though I badly need to.
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Hmm this woman I met from Canada had some major intestinal disease and was making 3k a month cause she couldn't hold a job due to health concerns sounds like you got a shitty deal ; ;
 
It depends on your situation and, sadly, your race/gender in many cases.
 
Uzor said:
I avoid restaurants that have that. They assume they will get a tip that way (through the extra gratitude fee), and usually get more lazy and sloppy and slow and rude, and basically undeserving of a tip. I don't want to wait 45 min for the waitress to come to my table, then another 45 min for the food to come, only to get served cold or wrong food. You don't deserve a tip then.

I see a tip as a way of saying "Good job!" etc. Not as a free gift.
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I agree to a point. One day (Remembrance Day, about 5 or so years ago) there was a tournament going on in the Arena across the field from where I worked. Well the restaurant could hold 99 people and we had reservations for 3 teams, 2 of 20 and 1 of 40, do the math that’s 80 people. There were also random families that came in after the Remembrance Day parade (It was also a Sunday so we got a lot of church goers). The other server that was supposed to be on had called in sick so I was on my own.

Well, in walks a group of 40 people and the coach tells me “no, I didn’t make a reservation”. I point out that I would not be able to accommodate them as there was no room and it would be against fire regulation to sit that many people in the dining area. The bitch then says “well we can stand, I don’t care, there’s a table over in that corner”. Yea, a table fit for 4 people, the only table not occupied.

A lot of restaurants will put a gratuity on a bill for a party over the size of 8 and sometimes they refuse them service if they do not make a reservation and I DO agree with that. Pick up a damn phone and spend 1.5 minutes making a reservation.

I also don’t agree with pooling tips among servers because if I worked hard, I deserved the tips I got, but that’s another discussion.

Thank God I was out of there once I was done University, I would have ripped my hair out.
 
I hate the tipping philosophy. So glad it's not a major thing here. The bloody restaurant should pay the staff a decent wage. When I was in America I had some bloody awful service and got the dirtiest looks for not tipping.
 
Yea, that's why in Australia, you don't get tipped because they earn a decent wage. My aunt still has a problem with that there because she can't not tip lol.

Getting minimum wage here, you depend on tips. You'd think that would be incentive to give good service, but some servers take it for granted when they really shouldn't.
 
Moink said:
Fixed for you because there are people out there who abuse having a disabled child or "claiming" their child is disabled... My Ex wanted to do this to our daughter when she was perfectly fine and informed her in a threatening way that she ever did that, she'd never see her daughter again... I don't tolerate abusing government funding so you can have an extra buck in your pocket. Everyone has the ability to work as she was doing and using the assest to get you out of the shit you walk in is fine... not to leech on it and abuse it for life... or a living...
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I know I didn't list every possible exploit; I sure as shit don't know them all. Probably not even half. =/

Props for putting your foot down with your ex. That is ridiculous. I can't even begin to express how wrong I feel it is to use your child in a manner like that.

Mirewen said:
Yea, that's why in Australia, you don't get tipped because they earn a decent wage. My aunt still has a problem with that there because she can't not tip lol.

Getting minimum wage here, you depend on tips. You'd think that would be incentive to give good service, but some servers take it for granted when they really shouldn't.
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In many states, servers don't even make minimum wage. Federal minimum wage is $6.55/hr iirc. The servers at my other job make $2.13 an hour. The only reason they have an hourly rate at all is because it makes it easier for the government to collect taxes.
 
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