You don't have to cheat to be sucessfull at end game!!!

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I know many people are disillusioned right now and may feel that the only way to compete in end game is to cheat but I'm here to tell you different. CK is a sucessfull end game shell with absolutely no cheating at all. See? It can be done, you don't HAVE to cheat in order to claim or win battles, you can still meet your goals playing honestly if you have skilled players with heart and dedication by your side.

Yeah you may get more gear quicker if you cheat, but that is a very weak prize compared to to the feeling of winning while playing righteously.

Cheaters be damned.
 
How many ridills, e.bodys, a.bodys, m.bodys do they have?

You don't have to cheat to be sucessfull at end game!!!
Yes you do.
 
Sadly however, stating that CK is clean is not enough. This has become like the steroid issue in baseball.
 
That little fairy gets hotter every time... ^^; lol

You don't have to cheat, but it seems to make it a lot easier. I never cheat, but of course I never did end game. I didn't like it.
 
I may be the only one to have this view but I also think there's more to being succesful then simply having more E/A/M bodies then everyone else. The armor that you get does prove your LS has experience and such, but in the end I think there's more to it then just the armor you can show for your time in XI.
 
You don't have to cheat...

Just have to wait for Perseverance to claim Darters 1min before pop \(¯—¯)/
 
Not trying to sound like an ass, but if you honestly believe that not a single person in your linkshell cheats/has cheated ever, you're wrong. It's as simple as that. Everyone has indirectly benefitted from a cheater at some point in time in this game. The best thing your shell can do really is just boot the cheaters as they are discovered rather than letting them stick around in the shell like some shells do.
 
Rappa said:
The best thing your shell can do really is just boot the cheaters as they are discovered rather than letting them stick around in the shell like some shells do.

So they can go to Antaraes and Perseverance.
 
Rappa said:
Not trying to sound like an ass, but if you honestly believe that not a single person in your linkshell cheats/has cheated ever, you're wrong. It's as simple as that. Everyone has indirectly benefitted from a cheater at some point in time in this game. The best thing your shell can do really is just boot the cheaters as they are discovered rather than letting them stick around in the shell like some shells do.

Even if someone is booted however for botting there's no promise they wouldn't find another LS and keep botting. While you can always be sure of some of the bigger names out there as well as accusations, it's a bit tough to have 100% proof. Maybe the best we could seeing how this is such a big issue now is make a seperate topic in LS recruiting of proven known Botters and what not. I don't know if it'd solve anything but it'd at least provide some LS's that don't know much about their recruits a chance to do a quick background check.
 
Rappa said:
Not trying to sound like an ass, but if you honestly believe that not a single person in your linkshell cheats/has cheated ever, you're wrong. It's as simple as that. Everyone has indirectly benefitted from a cheater at some point in time in this game. The best thing your shell can do really is just boot the cheaters as they are discovered rather than letting them stick around in the shell like some shells do.
rappa is 100% correct, ive said it before, you are associated with cheaters in this game at this very moment and you always will be and you will probly never know it.
as for you dont have to cheat to be successful, In this game...sure you dont have to cheat at all, you dont have to.
But its gonna make it hella hard to be succesful against the rest of the world who does cheat.
I mean that sounds pretty harsh and it almost sounds like im saying GO HACK TOO!!
im not saying that, but it kinda is the truth.
 
So, much like rappa, i'm not out to be a giant dick here or anything but i'm always hearing about this whole 'sense of accomplishment' and how it makes having the gear better. This leads me to ask the question when the game goes down the pipes and some of you are 4-5 years or better in to your sense of accomplishment and get the rug yanked out from under you which bridge are you jumping off and where does the line form?

If i put as much work in to anything as alot of you guys do (cheater and honest player alike) and was willing to make the leap that by playing a video game i had accomplished something ... well let's not go there, as i said i'm not for being insulting about it. It's just not something i grasp real well.

Doc works to cure a disease for a decade.
Doc finished cure after said decade and celebrates his accomplishments.
Doc get cure stolen/destroyed/etc.
Doc goes in to a fit of depression (at the very least) and takes action based on it's severity.

Where's the qualifier here? I mean this whole thing comes off as a little more than jaded with the whole "my accomplishments" thing. Cheating or not gain = accomplishment. The degree of how seriously you take it is what seperates players on this game, it would seem.

It's a game. It should be fun. Sounds to me from alot i've read on the board that more than a few of you are just shy of compeltely detached from reality. Again i'm not out to insult so if you take offense to this please take a moment to ask yourself why. I'm also not out to talk down to anyone about this sorta thing, just kinda curious if anyone can put a little more light on it, i can't wrap my head around it.

I'm sure you're link is great, kink, and it's awesome you have that kind of faith in your people but as for the above at what point is the line drawn?

As not to derail completely if this should have it's own thread i can do that but i wouldn't even begin to know where to put it .. and coming from me it'd only be a matter of time before someone just busted in to scream 'shitcock' at me :P
 
Chasym and Rappa said it best. End game or not, everyone has benefited from a cheater. I once got sent 1mil out of nowhere. I had no idea where it came from, but the name didn't sound like an RMT. This was last year, before the "dickslap" RMT came around. Did I take it? You bet I did. Do I think it came from someone who bought gil? Most likely.

BTW: I did NOT buy it. I don't buy gil. I'm poor constantly, but I still have dignity.
 
Miruyasha said:
Chasym and Rappa said it best. End game or not, everyone has benefited from a cheater. I once got sent 1mil out of nowhere. I had no idea where it came from, but the name didn't sound like an RMT. This was last year, before the "dickslap" RMT came around. Did I take it? You bet I did. Do I think it came from someone who bought gil? Most likely.

BTW: I did NOT buy it. I don't buy gil. I'm poor constantly, but I still have dignity.


This isn't a very good example.
I've never gotten a random amount of gil in my d.box.
The money I have gotten has been from KS runs, or NM kills, etc.

The flipside to everyone benefitting from hackers, is that everyone definitely has suffered due to hackers as well. The COUNTLESS times you lose something to botters is pretty cool though, right?
That crap sure isn't worth the random mil in my d.box I never got...
 
We have a strict anti-cheating rule and if anyone is ever caught hacking/cheating they are removed from the shell. I think our claim record speaks for itself on the cheating issue (2 Fafnirs, 1 Nidhogg ever)

The thing is we don't have to cheat to win our battles (OH Flee hacking Kirin and the bombs at Jorm), I think that's what Kink is getting at. I'm sure every shell out there has at least 1 botter. In fact I'm 100% sure of this. The thing is some shells don't seem to care if their members openly hack.
 
Oh well, the last laugh will be reserved for the three or four legitimate players currently involved in FFXI endgame, as the rest of them are slowly banned along with their ridills and whatnot.
 
I thought Eulore bought some W.legs+2 off Blazn?
 
Blazn sold me my own heart :(
 
Westyle said:
Blazn sold me my own heart :(

Hopefully there was a little love left in it:nyam:
 
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