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Yea, you did touch a nerve. Because "cutting" yourself isn't a laughing matter. Then you continued to touch another nerve.
Suicide is not something to joke about. It's no cry for attention. It's a freaking human being. NO FUCKING DIFFERENT than you or me. Who is thinking about taking their own life, because some person, who is no better, treated them like absolute trash.
You say you were concerned the first time. Concerned? As in you sat back and watched it happen? As well for another time? You sat there and watched another human try to take thier life? I have a question. Did you try to stop them? Did you try to talk them out? Or were you just a cold, heartless bastard?
I've seen my brother crushed because one of his friends commited suicide. I've been crushed because one of my best friends has been on the edge of death more than once. I've sat there for hours on the phone with my friend trying to talk him out of it.
You say ex-friend. Is that because you just abandoned them Cubs? Because that's exactly what they need. Another person out of thier life.
Suicide is not something to joke about. It's no cry for attention. It's a freaking human being. NO FUCKING DIFFERENT than you or me. Who is thinking about taking their own life, because some person, who is no better, treated them like absolute trash.
You say you were concerned the first time. Concerned? As in you sat back and watched it happen? As well for another time? You sat there and watched another human try to take thier life? I have a question. Did you try to stop them? Did you try to talk them out? Or were you just a cold, heartless bastard?
I've seen my brother crushed because one of his friends commited suicide. I've been crushed because one of my best friends has been on the edge of death more than once. I've sat there for hours on the phone with my friend trying to talk him out of it.
You say ex-friend. Is that because you just abandoned them Cubs? Because that's exactly what they need. Another person out of thier life.
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Big Mithra don't cry.
j/k
Hope you get through it. If you feel like there's nothing to fix on your end, then stay with the fuck everyone attitude. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes you get fed up.
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Hope you get through it. If you feel like there's nothing to fix on your end, then stay with the fuck everyone attitude. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes you get fed up.
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I don't know what brought all this shit up but I am gonna agree with Cubs on this one (Only in the sense that you shouldn't post when emotionally distressed; everything else, I don't want to touch).
If you are emotionally distressed, step back, remember it is just a forum, then IF you choose to respond, attempt to do so in a manner that wont immediatly be seen as taking a jab at someone.
What I saw in Cubs post reguarding goths was a just a snide remark that I rather enjoyed. I found it funny, but nothing to get upset about, even if I was a goth.
PS: Suicide is great to joke about. It is some funny shit. :lol: People killing themselves is not funny, but jokes about it are. There is a distinction there that most people don't seem to be able to grasp.
If you are emotionally distressed, step back, remember it is just a forum, then IF you choose to respond, attempt to do so in a manner that wont immediatly be seen as taking a jab at someone.
What I saw in Cubs post reguarding goths was a just a snide remark that I rather enjoyed. I found it funny, but nothing to get upset about, even if I was a goth.
PS: Suicide is great to joke about. It is some funny shit. :lol: People killing themselves is not funny, but jokes about it are. There is a distinction there that most people don't seem to be able to grasp.
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Neche said:
And their response is to value their life, their feelings, their decisions over everyone else, whether or not those people are directly responsible for their condition or not. No successful suicide victim has ever had to deal with the feelings of their family, friends, loved ones and community after their death. (Unless you believe in reincarnation, final judgement, and all of that. Not really all that important in this discussion.)
As in 'helped her expel as many sleeping pills as possible and rode with her to the ER to get her stomach pumped.'
The second time, I was four states away, talking her down over the phone. Sorry I didn't have my Teleport-Pennsylvania scroll handy.
See above. Very cold and heartless of me.
My girlfriend has attemped suicide once (Before I met her.) I've also talked her down from a drunken, emotional state and helped her battle some past emotional demons. Her cousin committed suicide over Christmas. Granted, I'd never met him - but the family was pissed enough that he would do it that they cremated him the next day - after he had stated on multiple occasions that he felt cremation was the worst way to be handled post-mortem.
You ignore your family's feelings, and, well, they just might ignore your wishes.
When you try, on multiple occasions, over the course of a few years, to get her into therapy, into treatment, into recovery for a better life - and all she does is continue the same pattern of behavior, refuses to take her medication, refuses to go to meetings, uses her attempts as bargaining chips, and blames everyone but herself for her situation...
Sorry, but I don't shoulder burdens that both show no signs of lightening nor appreciate your help. She threated me with another attempt when I ended our friendship.
She's still alive.
I'm sorry you had to go through all of that Cubs..
But now why can you still joke about it? I would think that after all of that. Joking, would not be something you would do with suicide. I would like to know how you can take it so lightly.
But now why can you still joke about it? I would think that after all of that. Joking, would not be something you would do with suicide. I would like to know how you can take it so lightly.
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Because suicide has become trendy. If you get a C on your exams, mise well pull the trigger, amirite?
Too many young, stupid, closed-minded dittohead children are quick to go to extremes because they want attention, or they heard it'll make them famous, or insert stupid kiddie reason to draw on your wrists with a razor #238947.
I have no sympathy for them. I laugh at them. They are, in general, unintentionally funny in their words and actions and any attempt to tell them otherwise results in even more comedy. Sometimes, honestly, I do wish they'd try (and fail, normally because they don't know what the hell they're doing) to end it all, and then they might understand that life is pretty darn precious.
I, personally, could never commit suicide. Too scared of the unknown. Live the life you got like it's the only one you get, because for all you know, it is.
Too many young, stupid, closed-minded dittohead children are quick to go to extremes because they want attention, or they heard it'll make them famous, or insert stupid kiddie reason to draw on your wrists with a razor #238947.
I have no sympathy for them. I laugh at them. They are, in general, unintentionally funny in their words and actions and any attempt to tell them otherwise results in even more comedy. Sometimes, honestly, I do wish they'd try (and fail, normally because they don't know what the hell they're doing) to end it all, and then they might understand that life is pretty darn precious.
I, personally, could never commit suicide. Too scared of the unknown. Live the life you got like it's the only one you get, because for all you know, it is.
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And about the people who accually have problems. The people who have shrinks, who have tried to get help. Who aren't Diitoheaded children? What about them? No sympathy, because other people made suicide "trendy."
I do get what your getting at. That the people who are like "OH NO MY VIDEO GAME CHARACTER DIED!!! I guess it's time to die..." those people are worse off than the people who accually need help. And they should try, fail then realize.
That I accept from you.
Just for me. Suicide is no joke, it's just affected me too much.
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Neche said:
In my experience, the people who actually need the help (due to mental problems, emotional/physical abuse/what have you) are the ones that get the help. For every one that the system failed, you can likely find 20 that were treated succesfully.
My mother is a prime example of this. When I moved out, she started spinning into suicidal behavior. I was genuinely worried about her, because I knew it wasn't a laughing matter - I knew that it could be prevented.
So I dragged her to doctors, I got her to try medication. Didn't work. We tried another pill. This one did. She changed her diet, turned some lights on in her condo. started getting out more.
Fast forward 9 months and she's in the best shape of her life. And she's still depressed, but it's not something that takes over her life anymore.
It's not a black-and-white issue with me. I do feel sympathy for those who have suicidal feelings and tendencies because of no fault of their own. But I also don't feel responsible for making sure they get better. That's a personal responsibility, something that is lacking sorely in the 'nanny-state' policies and thought processes of today.
this is really gonna put me in a bad position, but i agree with both sides. i don't think suicide is a joke, but i hate ppl asking for pity. when you push away everyone because you think that you will get more attention from that then befriending someone (has nothing to with previous examples i know, bear with me) and then cut yourself and shit, i think it is stupid. my sister has manic depression. even the doctors has said she did that too herself. she gave herself a menatl condition so that people would pay more attention to her. she makes me sick.
when people cant deal with problems that life has hended to them, then they try to find a way out of. like an animal caught in a trap knaws off its own leg. but some people can't do that. some people cry out until someone else comes and removes them from the trap, or they die.
human beings need attention and love from one another. that's not pathetic. it's life. threatening to kill yourself isn't pathetic in most cases. it's sad, and it hurts you and everyone that cares about you. sometimes people aren't even willing to help.
i feel bad for your post pepsii, but it soundslike you are taking your RL experiances out on people in the game. they don't see the person you are sitting in front of the console, just like you can't see them. some may have gone through as many bad experiences as you. It isn't fair for you to judge them because you think they don'tr understand you, whereas when you turn the tables you don't understand them either.
i am truly sorry for all the pain that you have endured throughout your life and pray that things get better for you, but i don't condone the fact that you say it is ok for you to act however you want because of things that have nothing to do with the game in the first place.
when people cant deal with problems that life has hended to them, then they try to find a way out of. like an animal caught in a trap knaws off its own leg. but some people can't do that. some people cry out until someone else comes and removes them from the trap, or they die.
human beings need attention and love from one another. that's not pathetic. it's life. threatening to kill yourself isn't pathetic in most cases. it's sad, and it hurts you and everyone that cares about you. sometimes people aren't even willing to help.
i feel bad for your post pepsii, but it soundslike you are taking your RL experiances out on people in the game. they don't see the person you are sitting in front of the console, just like you can't see them. some may have gone through as many bad experiences as you. It isn't fair for you to judge them because you think they don'tr understand you, whereas when you turn the tables you don't understand them either.
i am truly sorry for all the pain that you have endured throughout your life and pray that things get better for you, but i don't condone the fact that you say it is ok for you to act however you want because of things that have nothing to do with the game in the first place.
Pepsii said:Oh and I can make a mockery of my own language if I choose, it IS a free country.... so in short: sorry
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
If you want to destroy the English language, you'll have to get through me first....muwahahahaha. Aha. ha. HAAAAAAA.
/slap <me>
OK so...this is why ignorance is not bliss. If you're not lying, then you just learned what a lot of people hate the hard way. It's not funny.
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anyone ever read everCrack?
a dudes Char. in EQ got corrupted and he hung himself
WHAT A LOSER! LOL
a dudes Char. in EQ got corrupted and he hung himself
WHAT A LOSER! LOL
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Some of you here already know this about my real life. Some of you don't. But there was someone who was having a hard time awhile back FC (who shall remain nameless) so I told about this party of my real life.
When I hear anyone contemplating taking their own life I think her and it makes me literally sick to my stomach. So please read on if you so choose. Anyone that's ever even thought about suicide, I truly hope this helps you wake up and realize what it would do to the people in your life who love you.
I'm gonna tell you a story about a beautiful woman named Angel ...
She was 16 years old, got pregnant, and still graduated her Junior year of High School with honors as one of the people at the top of her class. She decided to take a year off from school before going to college. She moved to Texas with her 7 month old daughter Michelle, got a kickass job for a year and then decided to move back home and start college.
She went to the local college and got all her general studies taken care of, then transferred to NIU and got her Bachelors Degree in General Education and started teaching LD/BD kids.
Meanwhile, she met this really great guy, got married, and had 2 boys. She then went back to school in a excelled program and got her Masters Degree.
Well, the school she was teaching for wanted her to get her Doctrate and meanwhile they wanted her to also go more into the Administration side of teaching, so she agreed. By this time she was 34 years old. The baby she went to Texas with was now almost 18 and graduating High School and the 2 little boys were 6 and 4 years old.
She's driving home one Sunday nite to my parents house, (she's staying there with them cuz she's closing on her new home the following day) and low and behold there is a Jeep Grand Cherokee pulling a 30 ft cabin cruiser coming from the other direction with a drunk driving the vehicle. My 6 and 4 year old nephews are in the car with her. By this time you may have figured out she is my sister. If you haven't then now you know.
The boat and trailer hit my Sister firstly on the drivers side of the car and then it went up and hit the roof of the car. My sister died instantly. My nephews (Thank God) were both sleeping in the car so luckily they lived and with minor injuries. That was five years ago ...
My point ... how can you even think about wanting to die? ... Life is so precious ... if there is one thing I've learned, it's take each day and make the most of it cuz you never know how long you have ...
Most importantly, hug your loved ones while they're with you and tell them you love them every day ... cuz you may not have a tomorrow to say it ... and everyone knows tomorrow never comes ...
PS. There's a lot more to the story, but you get the gist of it ...
When I hear anyone contemplating taking their own life I think her and it makes me literally sick to my stomach. So please read on if you so choose. Anyone that's ever even thought about suicide, I truly hope this helps you wake up and realize what it would do to the people in your life who love you.
I'm gonna tell you a story about a beautiful woman named Angel ...
She was 16 years old, got pregnant, and still graduated her Junior year of High School with honors as one of the people at the top of her class. She decided to take a year off from school before going to college. She moved to Texas with her 7 month old daughter Michelle, got a kickass job for a year and then decided to move back home and start college.
She went to the local college and got all her general studies taken care of, then transferred to NIU and got her Bachelors Degree in General Education and started teaching LD/BD kids.
Meanwhile, she met this really great guy, got married, and had 2 boys. She then went back to school in a excelled program and got her Masters Degree.
Well, the school she was teaching for wanted her to get her Doctrate and meanwhile they wanted her to also go more into the Administration side of teaching, so she agreed. By this time she was 34 years old. The baby she went to Texas with was now almost 18 and graduating High School and the 2 little boys were 6 and 4 years old.
She's driving home one Sunday nite to my parents house, (she's staying there with them cuz she's closing on her new home the following day) and low and behold there is a Jeep Grand Cherokee pulling a 30 ft cabin cruiser coming from the other direction with a drunk driving the vehicle. My 6 and 4 year old nephews are in the car with her. By this time you may have figured out she is my sister. If you haven't then now you know.
The boat and trailer hit my Sister firstly on the drivers side of the car and then it went up and hit the roof of the car. My sister died instantly. My nephews (Thank God) were both sleeping in the car so luckily they lived and with minor injuries. That was five years ago ...
My point ... how can you even think about wanting to die? ... Life is so precious ... if there is one thing I've learned, it's take each day and make the most of it cuz you never know how long you have ...
Most importantly, hug your loved ones while they're with you and tell them you love them every day ... cuz you may not have a tomorrow to say it ... and everyone knows tomorrow never comes ...
PS. There's a lot more to the story, but you get the gist of it ...
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Kat said:
This should read:
part about my real life.
Davio: Good lord you made me choke and I wasnt even drinking water, else i woulda spat it all over my laptop.
Kat: Nice story, made me reflect. Quick question: wuts BD/LD?
Cubswoo: Heartless at first, that's all I can say, but I read all your posts and once again I agree with you, but only about the suicide.
I'm only 18 years old, probabaly more than 1/2 of this forum is older than me. In my life, I've been through no immediate deaths in my family, but I have known people who have tried to commit suicide, or known friends who have had their parents commit suicide. This girl in my grade, her mother drove a car off of a pier and drowned herself. How selfish can you be? This person was a mother of THREE kids, and she killed herself. Other teens maybe whe i was 15 or so, were a year or so younger and were doing things like cutting their wrists and shit. Seriously, what did I think? I thought it was stupid and nothing more than a cry fo attention. I sometimes wonder how bad can a person's life be that they would want to do something like that instead of asking people for help. Suicide is probably the most selfish thing, becauase it leaves others who did love you and care about you in a state of emotional distress. Is it really FAIR to do that to other people? I think not. People who attempt suicide and injure themselves permanently mentally or phsyically get 0 sympathy from me, and like Cubs i would laugh, because they were stupid enough to pull such a stunt. Suicide proves nothing except show that you are weak-willed.
Kat: Nice story, made me reflect. Quick question: wuts BD/LD?
Cubswoo: Heartless at first, that's all I can say, but I read all your posts and once again I agree with you, but only about the suicide.
I'm only 18 years old, probabaly more than 1/2 of this forum is older than me. In my life, I've been through no immediate deaths in my family, but I have known people who have tried to commit suicide, or known friends who have had their parents commit suicide. This girl in my grade, her mother drove a car off of a pier and drowned herself. How selfish can you be? This person was a mother of THREE kids, and she killed herself. Other teens maybe whe i was 15 or so, were a year or so younger and were doing things like cutting their wrists and shit. Seriously, what did I think? I thought it was stupid and nothing more than a cry fo attention. I sometimes wonder how bad can a person's life be that they would want to do something like that instead of asking people for help. Suicide is probably the most selfish thing, becauase it leaves others who did love you and care about you in a state of emotional distress. Is it really FAIR to do that to other people? I think not. People who attempt suicide and injure themselves permanently mentally or phsyically get 0 sympathy from me, and like Cubs i would laugh, because they were stupid enough to pull such a stunt. Suicide proves nothing except show that you are weak-willed.
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Xerius said:
BD/LD is Behavior Disordered/Learning Disordered
She was a great Teacher. She got her kids (students) to try again and WANT to graduate High School.
If y'all could've seen all the students who came to her wake/funeral it would've blown your mind. She was a really neat person.
Anywayyyyy, I could chat about my sister for a decade and not be done. I pulled the story from the thread in FC hoping it may help some of you younger ones here at qcdn.
This is the part that always gets me the most though. My 2 nephews don't have their Mom at home to vent on, take care of them, spend Christmas with or any other Holiday. They take the Mother's Day cards they make in school and put them on her gravestone every year.
So, could you handle it if your Mom wasn't there? Now turn it around. How do you think your Mom would feel if you weren't there?
Something to think about eh?
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