Your picks for Melee Awards 2005!

[Bajaratt]

Baj " i outdamaged every DD i played with"
Wow they must suck if they were outdamaged by a "mithra" monk lol!

Since I'm pretty sure this is a joke, I'm going to be nice. I actually have very good gear for my monk, so I easily outdamage people with average gear, despite my racial deficiencies. I have also matched the damage to both elvaan and galkan monks who were wearing equivalent gear(one elvaan was almost identical), so the differences in the races aren't all that great.

3) Thf/Sam- if you can SATA WS every 30 secs... explain to me how this job isn't a DD??

Scrumpy, thf was never a DD class, they are there to control the hate flow for the party. They will get a large number once a minute, and then hit for tiny numbers waiting for SATA to cool down. The real DD jobs outdamge the thf's because they do a lot of damage consistently which quickly adds up and easily overwhelms a single attack's damage. The only time this wouldn't happen is if you have several people magic bursting and they can kill the mobs with just that skillchain.

 

[scrumpy]

3) Thf/Sam- if you can SATA WS every 30 secs... explain to me how this job isn't a DD??

its every min

Ah right, that's my bad. Still though you would be doing arond 500+ dmg every minute. How often is Meditate?

 

[gutress]

Baj " i outdamaged every DD i played with"
Wow they must suck if they were outdamaged by a "mithra" monk lol!

You're ignorant. Mithra ACC. is incredible and with sushi 90%+ Hit ratio. Our numbers may be lower by a couple points of dmg, but we see "You miss" a whole hell of a lot less than Galkas and Elvaan Monks. And don't forget, our DEX increases Crit %.

 

[Afterhour]

Guys Guys Guys we all know WHM is the best DD Thnikkaman Proved that by out DD'in Melee's Gawd ho9w could i forget WHM with all there JA's and WS's

 

[Sneakypants]

Baj " i outdamaged every DD i played with"
Wow they must suck if they were outdamaged by a "mithra" monk lol!

You're ignorant. Mithra ACC. is incredible and with sushi 90%+ Hit ratio. Our numbers may be lower by a couple points of dmg, but we see "You miss" a whole hell of a lot less than Galkas and Elvaan Monks. And don't forget, our DEX increases Crit %.

WSM again with the Mithra bit... :roll:
He just can't get over it, and has to compensate with a big muscular ninja in his sig.

<too weak>

 

[Meximan]

i'd have to say 40~ is a tie between mnk/war (cause u can use brown belt.) and sam/thf cause I rocked every party I was in and then 50-59 would have to be mnk/war very pimped out gear and mnk is a machine. then 60 drk/war I riped valley of sorrows a new one 8)

 

[Bajaratt]

i'd have to say 40~ is a tie between mnk/war (cause u can use brown belt.) and sam/thf cause I rocked every party I was in and then 50-59 would have to be mnk/war very pimped out gear and mnk is a machine. then 60 drk/war I riped valley of sorrows a new one 8)

Yeah, I still remember your suicide Guillotine.

 

[hellstorm]

hmm best dot between 40-60 that a very hard choice. :idea:

well there alot of factors to way in if your talking no ws and just plain out full fisting dmg mnk/war prob win.


but does that make them the best dd....
as sid by bajar earlyer mnk not really good partner for sc till 60 so for odd man out mnk you man.

war and sammy good sammy can spam ws after ws almost and can do sc with more then 1 person a battle always nice.

drg well they got it pretty tough durring these lvls

drk does nice dmg as well to though and stun alays come in handy.


on side note lol what with all the who best post this like the 3rd or 4th post in the last week :?:

next will be which is better rdm or brd :roll:

 

[Nitram]

Bajaratt... i must say you win the 2005 Sig away for that "I didnt mean it i am jsut looking for attention" that is awesome!

I present to you: the gadfly award. Buzz off, fanboy.

For the record I think she is a girl so it would be fangirl, but I don't think you have any fans.

More like pets. Sit foo foo sit. Good boy.

I believe it was Ubu or oo-boo.

 

[Rinoah]

Santa is as real as the Toilet Fairy (Damn tv) lol i am just saying taht is awesome

to stay on topic SAM SAM SAM SAM!

Yup the Toiletcactar is real too.

 

[Passions]

Where are thieves ?

40-55 they are among the top DDs as well... just going down the slope after 55 >.<

Thief is not a DD job, they are for hate control. Big damage once a minute doesn't make you a DD.

Play thf then get back to me thats a biased opinion to me. you act like thf doesn't hit a mob, PFF please, maybe i dont do the DOT that a mnk can but were not the lowest on the chain either. TASA once a min yes *3 times a fight + skillchain Hmmm. thats some pretty good damage laid down plus our hits building tp

MNK gets my vote but dont say thf isn't a DD were hate management cause if you can't do damage you dont play the job good enough i guess, or not at all

 

[meeze]

Where are thieves ?

40-55 they are among the top DDs as well... just going down the slope after 55 >.<

Thief is not a DD job, they are for hate control. Big damage once a minute doesn't make you a DD.

Play thf then get back to me thats a biased opinion to me. you act like thf doesn't hit a mob, PFF please, maybe i dont do the DOT that a mnk can but were not the lowest on the chain either. TASA once a min yes *3 times a fight + skillchain Hmmm. thats some pretty good damage laid down plus our hits building tp

MNK gets my vote but dont say thf isn't a DD were hate management cause if you can't do damage you dont play the job good enough i guess, or not at all

if you get 3 satas off a fight, your party sucks and you should disband asap.

 

[Passions]

Where are thieves ?

40-55 they are among the top DDs as well... just going down the slope after 55 >.<

Thief is not a DD job, they are for hate control. Big damage once a minute doesn't make you a DD.

Play thf then get back to me thats a biased opinion to me. you act like thf doesn't hit a mob, PFF please, maybe i dont do the DOT that a mnk can but were not the lowest on the chain either. TASA once a min yes *3 times a fight + skillchain Hmmm. thats some pretty good damage laid down plus our hits building tp

MNK gets my vote but dont say thf isn't a DD were hate management cause if you can't do damage you dont play the job good enough i guess, or not at all

if you get 3 satas off a fight, your party sucks and you should disband asap.

you can kill a IT mob in a min and half everytime DAMN yeah invite me cause that's ownage but when i can pop 3 sata's in 1 min ~15 seconds top that

 

[meeze]

you can get sata off 3 times in 1:15, but most the time it wont happen like that.

 

[gir]

Where are thieves ?

40-55 they are among the top DDs as well... just going down the slope after 55 >.<

Thief is not a DD job, they are for hate control. Big damage once a minute doesn't make you a DD.

Play thf then get back to me thats a biased opinion to me. you act like thf doesn't hit a mob, PFF please, maybe i dont do the DOT that a mnk can but were not the lowest on the chain either. TASA once a min yes *3 times a fight + skillchain Hmmm. thats some pretty good damage laid down plus our hits building tp

MNK gets my vote but dont say thf isn't a DD were hate management cause if you can't do damage you dont play the job good enough i guess, or not at all

if you get 3 satas off a fight, your party sucks and you should disband asap.

agreed

3min fights... guess what you capped yourself at 4k/hr even if your brd is pulling <good job!>

side note (i know this is a tired argument but it keeps coming up)
about drk/thf, sam/thf, etc.:
really though, the OP is asking 40-60... so even the 18k xp of that that thf sub would actually bring something to the table, it's NOT(!!) for DoT
lemme repeat that: thf and /thf are NOT for DoT

furthermore, subbing thf on your sam or drk is fine with me pre-60, but it parses lower... just considering ja alone, berserk is better than SA, even though we all like the big numbers

 

[Blackchaoshero]

1. mnk/war because the DoT is phenominal, almost as good as blms and the damage isn't spike so it pulls less hate.
2 drk/war(or thf) i'm actually not sure this isn't number one, if you ever partied with an ideally equipped drk using the delay trick you'd be left in awe... seriously, they can put a rng to shame if they work it right... baj will even likely yield that certain drk's are insanely powerful

 

[Skaw]

1. mnk/war because the DoT is phenominal, almost as good as blms and the damage isn't spike so it pulls less hate.

Every part of this sentence is wrong except the first. :?

Due to broken up attacks and the value of damage associated with them, it actually draws more hate. I have Enmity- merits, and I can tell you, they were a big waste of limit exp.

It's not just # of damage, it's how often you strike as well. Hate wears off over time. A MNK isn't going to lose hate.

 

[Bajaratt]

Where are thieves ?

40-55 they are among the top DDs as well... just going down the slope after 55 >.<

Thief is not a DD job, they are for hate control. Big damage once a minute doesn't make you a DD.

Play thf then get back to me thats a biased opinion to me. you act like thf doesn't hit a mob, PFF please, maybe i dont do the DOT that a mnk can but were not the lowest on the chain either. TASA once a min yes *3 times a fight + skillchain Hmmm. thats some pretty good damage laid down plus our hits building tp

MNK gets my vote but dont say thf isn't a DD were hate management cause if you can't do damage you dont play the job good enough i guess, or not at all

Meeze responded first(I've been out for a while), if you're getting that many SATA into a fight, you're not doing nearly enough damage and you need to rework your party.

For the record, I've played as a thf for a while. My thf is at 34 now, but it's one of the jobs I'm considering taking to 75 next. I've also partied with more than a couple thf's over the time that I've played the game, and I parse most of my monk parties, so I have some proof that they don't do all that much damage.

I never said thf wasn't hitting the monster, but they hit for a very small amount of damage, so the vast majority of their total damage comes from SATA. Counting SATA as making you a damage dealer is wrong, because the whole point of SATA is to put a ton of hate onto the person in front of you. Yes it does a big number, but that's for the sole reason of slapping that much hate onto someone else to help out the party. At that point, the only thing you could use to consider thf's as a DD class is their melee damage, which as I've already said is low.

 

[Dragoth1]

most peopl are forgeting that mnk is one of the first jobs that can meake a L3 sc with dragon kick, beacase mnk H2H is A+ they get their ws faster then other jobs, and after a mnk get howling fist at 60 the invits started poring in again. And to add that dragon kick is a good ws as well and if the mnk is in a pt where /thf is a good sub DK does quit a bit of dmg as well, just though i would throw that in

 

[Aerandir]

Well I'm glad to see that drk is still in the running for best melee DD. I might go with mnk later on, just to see the difference between DOT between drk and mnk.

I've considered using a sword instead of a GS in a party, but haven't tried it out yet. I have pretty good accuracy so I really don't think the DOT of the sword would be greater than the GS.

I noticed Drg wasn't mentioned much. Every job has a role in a party, what is theirs?