hellstorm wrote:
drg well they got it pretty tough durring these lvls
How exactly?
40-50 Drg basically own, anyone who's actually been in a pt with a drg with good equipment will tell you this if they're not bigoted.
If you didn't party with a drg during this level range OR if you only partied with a drg who thought that his rabbit mantle had too much sentimental value to give up, then your opinion isn't relevant. What you've heard doesn't = fact.
I partied with every other melee class in that level range, mnks were as good as anyone else, wars were as good as anyone else, sams were, drk's were, just about everyone was. You can't read anything into these levels, no job has anything truley spectacular yet to distinguish itself.
If anything when I hit level 49 I got penta thrust, pting in garlaige at the time meant bats would fill gaps in the beetle chains, a 5-600 penta thrust on bats at level 49 isn't shabby.
Before it's said, penta thrust is a bad choice WS for an xp party UNLESS you're not doing an SC (no blm to mb= solo 500 ws>200 ws +100 distortion) or the mob checks low evasion to you.
As for the beetles, I hit just as hard as anyone else, I got, and I still get, insane TP from jumps and a 492 delay weapon and when a beetle buffs up no melee job does well against it, fact.
I almost never missed mobs that weren't too high for me (eg: being invited to a 45 pt when I was 42 was a low point.)
50-60 I went to KRT for bats, I went to Kuftal for crabs and then terrigan for more crabs and boyada for.......crabs.
Needless to say bats were dropping fast, invite a ranger or a drg to your next bird pt in lufaise meadows and see what this is all about.
Crabs were the same for everyone, I had an awesome pt from 53-55 in kuftal tunnel chainning the shit out of these, I had my parser running during the pt, there were two melee slots for the pt, War and Drg(me....duh).
To start with we were both pretty even for the first level or so, then when we leveled up I got a large spike in damage as they fell to VT and her dmg increased slightly, for that level I doubled her dmg on some crabs (including wyvern). level 55 came round and she got rampage which went more along the lines of evening things out than unbalancing them.
Without the wyvern however she would have pulled away.
Terrigan was the same deal, ended up roughly even honours with all the Drk's, War's and Sam's, didn't pt with mnks in the 50-60 level range too much, maybe once and I've always thought that mnk's are great, but it's a tight call between them and war, and it was a tight call between me and everyone I pt'd with.
Now obviously you come across some people who have godly gear from time to time and that's when comparisons become difficult, I was blown away by the most pimped out War/nin imaginable in a 50 min session in gustav tunnel.
This guy had PCC, scorp harness+1 @ 57 which he switched to a Haub+1 @58, 2 X marksman rings/STR+4 rings, enky's bracelet's, assault earring, and everything else you would drool over. Besides him I've always been close to other melee.
I firmly belive that SE aren't always the idiots we lovingly regard them as. This isn't a simple game to design and run. Most crafters now hold to strict belief's about which direction to face when crafting, what time of the month to do it, and what day of the week.
If SE can create a game so complex to run so smoothly, then it's not a big stretch of the imagination to believe that when the created the melee jobs in this game, they made them far more balanced over the duration of a pt than most people claim.
To be 100% honest taking players with an equal amount of skill, similar quality gear setups playing different melee jobs fighting mobs that no one is + or - against will most of the time end up with them tied for dmg output by the end of the fight, or FA in the difference.
Aerandir wrote:
I noticed Drg wasn't mentioned much. Every job has a role in a party, what is theirs?
I know what my role in a PT is, even if you're just taking a cheap shot for some laughs allow me to enlighten you:
I get TP really fuckin fast. Faster than you, I'll double your Tp gain and I'll put gil on it.
I do consistent dmg with a medium to long delay weapon, I do regular hits for less than a drk and more than a sam and I'm in between them for speed.
I open Distorion 1-65 and @65 I open light.
I'm more accurate than other melee wearing similar quality gear (eg: acc rings, acc neck, assault earring, etc)
I have a wyvern who hit's for roughly 20% of what I hit for, If you could buy a piece of gear with +20% dmg on it, you'd want it.
FYI it's not impossible to keep your wyvern alive while fighting AoE mobs but it is a pain, thankfully crabs aren't AoE.
I can dump any hate I have whenever i want. Throw me together with a thf and your hate control is phenomenol.
And I'm a nice guy who's not an uptight jerkoff when you're in a pt with me, which to me is far more important than the asshole {insert x job here} who did 200 more on their ws than me.
200 damage......pfft, I've already used two jumps this fight, there you go, 200-300 dmg wrapped up all nice and neat for you.
So there's a perspective from a Drg on this thread at last, the most under represented job in this debate so far.
If you guys want to take me up on anything in this post that you think is BS, feel free, I'll argue it. I play it straight, I don't feel I have to bullshit, I've proved it time and again, and I'll continue to prove it.
To sum it up there isn't a single melee job I don't enjoy pting with, I especially love drk's and thf's I always SC well with them and 90% of them seem to be fun people, mnk's are pretty hardcore, best dmg I've ever seen was from a war and good sam's can throw out SC's with multiple people while doing consistently good dmg, but don't doubt for a second that I contributed a large amount to these PT's by opening SC's jumping away SATA hate, being accurate and having a 7th member at my side.
And ya, I'm really fuckin proud of my job, no one has ever shown me anything to change that, and I doubt they could.
This post has gone on long enough at this point, end.
