Zaevier and Whitelighter outside healing GS's @ Serket????

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Moev

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Ok so they other night, tech two days ago now, my LS members decide to go camp serket. It pops, we get the claim, GS's try to mpk us. Nothing new right? Whatever we won anyway got the drops and left.

It was Colwba's little friends (the Gil sellers) who attempted the MPK's. Gyyss or whatever his name did the most part of it.

So today once again we decide to camp Serket. For awhile we were the only ones there, because their MPK failed the last pop a massive amount of GS were there today.

They get the claim (GS's), same ones who tryed to MPK us the night before. We watch and sure enough the trains start to fly, I don't know who started what but there were bodies everywhere.

Next thing I know Zaevier and (I was told didn't see so wont put thier names down) some other mages from ESP started helping the GS's and pulling agro off them.

I understand being a mage and all the wanting to help people out, but GS's who often MPK anyone who beats them on a claim? I don't know just makes me wonder what's up with that ESP??

By helping I mean curing them so they didnt wipe, raising them, and pulling hate. Call me crazy but I just wonder why members of a LS who are suppoistly anti-gil seller would help them for any reason? I saw many posts flaming BOL for doing them same thing, I now wonder how many of those were by members of R-ESP?
 
IIRC, BoL allianced with the GSers and if this is true, ESP was just thwarting a MPK. I'm not sure which way to go on this, though. I've been of the belief since day 1 that MPK on anyone is bad news, but at the same time helping a GS LS in any way = getting put in the game's leper colony.

Overall I don't think this is anything damning but at the same time it's something to put in the back of your head.

And yes, pics would help a lot.
 
PS2 + Comp dummy = Too weak.

No sorry boys I am no ps2 so no chat screen shots. Pics would have just showed them casting a spell, I would have taken some if I wasn't too busy trying to keep our members alive from all the agro and poison we had lol.

Another problem is I am a huge dummy when it comes to computers so I wouldn't know how to post them anyway. Neo here is some juicy stuff for if you want to ever insult me with purpose lol, it took me over 30min to finally get my sig to work after a friend made it for me.

And yeah Cubs I agree thats why my flame was not so much a flame. Up until now I viewed esp as a pretty honorable LS on a whole. MPK'n is bad yes, but when it comes to GS's... let them die its payback for all the people they killed.

On one hand with that much lag and people alot was going on, so maybe their intention wasn't to save them. Then again while keeping some members alive I noticed someone curing them (them as in GS's), since most of the claim party was dead I checked the person and they had a ESP pearl. Zaevier was also raising them, ect.

So all in all it just makes me wonder (like I said in first post), whats up with that? Will stick out in my mind next time something happens with ESP and another LS, I might question it more then normally would have.

Also things like why would a few mages from that LS be there at a serket fight, when they had no possible way to kill it? It only takes one person to get a TOD. This GS clan mpk's alot, this is common knowldge, so why help someone like that? Was their something in it for them?

Just like the night before anyone who gets the claim besides them (GS's) soon after see's a train. It could have been a case of simply getting agro and curing so they didn't think it was them who MPk'd the GS's, I don't know it just seemed unlikly to me. Either or now there is questions where none were before.
 
There's a big difference between inviting gilsellers to help you, which is what BoL did, and thwarting a MPK attempt, which is what you say ESP did. MPK'ing gilsellers will only make things worse. I would agree that thwarting any MPK regardless of recipient is a good thing to do.

It's the difference between hiring thugs to do your laundry, and stopping a dryer from crushing a thug.
 
How will MPKing gilsellers make anything worse? It's impossible to camp Serket already without getting MPKed by the gilsellers. There's a difference between taking a stand on morals and just being a damn pushover. At least if you fight back it might be no longer profitable enough to be worth their time hoarding Citadel like they're the fucking Chinese mafia.
 
Peregrine said:
There's a big difference between inviting gilsellers to help you, which is what BoL did, and thwarting a MPK attempt, which is what you say ESP did. MPK'ing gilsellers will only make things worse. I would agree that thwarting any MPK regardless of recipient is a good thing to do.

It's the difference between hiring thugs to do your laundry, and stopping a dryer from crushing a thug.
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Connecting real life to a game never works out right.
 
Just wondering how you group the whole R-ESP linkshell into that?
You said a couple mages, how does that all of a sudden become a
whole linkshell getting named. Are we grouping a couple people into
entire shells now. Because I know several people that have throw
cures and raises gil sellers ways. Then there is the whole getting a
cure or raise from a gil seller. If you take it are you somehow in on
what they are doing? I dislike gil sellers just like the rest and have
been MPK'd several times. But seriously where are you going draw
the line on bashing people about gil sellers. Instead of bitching at SE
about being MPK'd in the first place. Why not focus on gil sellers if
your so intent on pointing fingers at people. And did you even ask
what Zaevier and the rest where doing there? Or did you just decide
to hop on and try to bash someone without even getting the other
sides view of what they were doing. Or provide pictures or a chat log.
If all you have is what you think without anything solid to prove the
fact what stops another person from saying you were in with the gil
sellers. And don't take this as anything personal and start turning this
into who can bash who. Just don't see anything solid to go out and
say Zaevier or an entire LS is mixed up with gil sellers.
 
Do u really think we would help gil sellers? And yea....dark pretty much just pwned you, as will white whenever she finishes her statement.
 
That's a tough one.

On one hand you have people who play a game to relax, have fun, meet new interesting people along the way, and because they enjoy playing the game.

The other hand you have groups of people who have no consideration for their fellow players. Who break every rule possible to bennifet themselfs for money. They lie, steal, mpk, ect whenever it's in their own best interests to do so. Not only do they not care about anyone who isn't associated with them, they also feed off of people who support them and break off chump gil, gear, or favors to whoever makes life easier for them.

It's just a simple fact they have helped create the pricing problems which all servers face. Not saying it is only them who created this situation but the are in fact part of the problem. SE has made attempts to make life more harder for Gil sellers, we may not all like those attmepts or agree with them, however atleast they are trying. Many other games have this problem and do nothing about it.

Sure MPK'n is wrong, the rules clearly state that. However these people have done it many times and continue to do so daily. It's one thing to MPK a party just because you want the time, that's gil seller tactics. It is another thing entirely to help out and stop a MPK of people who continuesly do so to others.

Some people want to use real life situations to support their views, fine. Then in a situation like tonight that's like watching a known rapist or killer, kill or rape someone and then offer them your car keys to help them escape.

They will MPK you or anyone who is faster then they are at claiming a NM, so although maybe you don't agree with MPK'n them, why help them? Nobody is making you MPK them, your not sitting around waiting to help others when these same people try and MPK the rest of us.

I also want to clarify I didn't say ESP did anything. I said some of their members aided the gil sellers, which they did. Sad as it is, actions of a few members sometimes help shape views towards a LS as a whole. It was not too long ago ESP (rightfully so) was mad about GBY stealing their claim, looked down upon BOL for their relations with gil sellers. So when a situation like this happens damn right I would question it.

If in fact these members were there to help the gil sellers, we will never know unless they decide to admit it. Which is why I questioned their actions and reasonings. You can't go around talking badly of others for doing something and then turn around and do something similar yourself.

To be crystal clear I am not saying they did, rather just pointing out my reasoning for questioning todays events.

At some point you have to draw the line, either shit or get off the pot. You don't agree with people MPK'n gil sellers, don't CC them. If you see someone MPK'n gil sellers, leave. Nobody says you have to do it, but you don't have to help them either.

I was MPK'd by them yesterday, I personally feel it is within anyones rights to return the favor. So I was more then happy to watch them die. Like fire so correctly pointed out it is impossible to make the situation worse then it already is.

Damn right the next time I come across a dead ESP member in sky I will think twice before I raise them. When the GS's come to sky and start CC'n and MPK'n the pop items, if ESP wants some revenge and calls other LS's to help I am sure I will remember this. Not to say I wont help, I will just think twice first.

I mean come on now really... Whos side are you on anyway? People who post like peregrine did reminds me of the people who talk mad shit about gil sellers and buyers, but secretly suck their balls hoping to get a better deal on their next purchase.

P.S we saw some of these gil sellers with a genbu seal, so you know the MPK's are not far away from sky.
 
I also want to clarify I didn't say ESP did anything. I said some of their members aided the gil sellers, which they did.
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See your title of the thread.

And seriously, u have no idea what ur talking about. U were enraged at the time im sure, and ur clearly making somthing out of two ppl being at the wrong place at the wrong time. [/quote]
 
Ok... one thing im gonna ask you moev.. is to please stop blaming Zaevier... he did nothing to help gil sellers.
I'm gonna explain everything...
I was there to see if i can get Serket TOD with Zaevier, and a War from our LS hanging out.
When serket poped we went to watch, we never healed any gil sellers. We ONLY healed eachother... in our lil 3 person party. when the MPKing started we stayed there watching.
We were going to leave soon, but by MISTAKE i aggroed the weapons trying to heal myself.
I moved away pulling the weapons away because i dont want to be blamed for any kind of MPKing, also because we lost the war in our pt and we were trying to find eachother.
when we found eachother Zaevier escaped us to save ME from getting killed by the weapons as i was spamming Cure V/ Cure IV on myself. we came back in to raise ppl from a ls called Fantasysoemthing (NOT GILSELLERS)
we didn't even raise more than around 2 ppl... so i don't know where you came up us helping gil sellers.
I personally am against them but i don't waste my time or my exp trying to MPK them
so please also stop bashing RevESP.... no one in my LS likes gilsellers or helps them...

Done.
 
My friend you are seriously barking up the wrong tree with this thread. This was not the way to get your question answered in refrence to why Zae or anyone from our LS was tossing a cure or a raise. If you are truly concerned about thinking now twice ( which would imply you had to give a thought in the first place) when you come across a dead ESP member, now that you think we are in consorts with gilsellers......

Come on! Be for real! This was not the way to approach this. And on the flameboard none the less? You know everyone from the server is going to read this and now question us. Is that what you wanted? Did you want people to look at us differently then how we are already viewed as decent folks?

Again ...this thread = barking up the wrong tree.
 
Moev calm down. All i know is what i heard. Someone was helping the GS, it quite possibly coulda been rsp members, it may not have been. But somehow they lived through a massive ammount of mobs, and the only way it coulda been possible was with outside help. You were the ones there, you were the ones seen casting cure (not necesarily on the gs), and so unfortunatley moev came to the conclusion that you were hleping. Sorry for the misunderstanding, hopefully no hard feelins. can we let this rest?
 
This thread needs to be locked or deleted, its clearly been exposed as wrong, the guy didnt even bother to ask ppl in/tell before posting this. I dont mind the flameboard, but flames based on accusations that are clearly false and can only hurt us need to be removed.

After reading this, if u honestly believe ppl from our ls had some "secret agreement with the gil sellers" then you, are a moron.
 
That's the flameboard for ya. Good, bad, neutral, there's a big chance it gets posted on the flameboard. And many go by the phrase "Guilty until proven innocent".
 
Re: That's a tough one.

Moev said:
On one hand you have people who play a game to relax, have fun, meet new interesting people along the way, and because they enjoy playing the game.

The other hand you have groups of people who have no consideration for their fellow players. Who break every rule possible to bennifet themselfs for money. They lie, steal, mpk, ect whenever it's in their own best interests to do so. Not only do they not care about anyone who isn't associated with them, they also feed off of people who support them and break off chump gil, gear, or favors to whoever makes life easier for them.

It's just a simple fact they have helped create the pricing problems which all servers face. Not saying it is only them who created this situation but the are in fact part of the problem. SE has made attempts to make life more harder for Gil sellers, we may not all like those attmepts or agree with them, however atleast they are trying. Many other games have this problem and do nothing about it.

Sure MPK'n is wrong, the rules clearly state that. However these people have done it many times and continue to do so daily. It's one thing to MPK a party just because you want the time, that's gil seller tactics. It is another thing entirely to help out and stop a MPK of people who continuesly do so to others.

Some people want to use real life situations to support their views, fine. Then in a situation like tonight that's like watching a known rapist or killer, kill or rape someone and then offer them your car keys to help them escape.

They will MPK you or anyone who is faster then they are at claiming a NM, so although maybe you don't agree with MPK'n them, why help them? Nobody is making you MPK them, your not sitting around waiting to help others when these same people try and MPK the rest of us.

I also want to clarify I didn't say ESP did anything. I said some of their members aided the gil sellers, which they did. Sad as it is, actions of a few members sometimes help shape views towards a LS as a whole. It was not too long ago ESP (rightfully so) was mad about GBY stealing their claim, looked down upon BOL for their relations with gil sellers. So when a situation like this happens damn right I would question it.

If in fact these members were there to help the gil sellers, we will never know unless they decide to admit it. Which is why I questioned their actions and reasonings. You can't go around talking badly of others for doing something and then turn around and do something similar yourself.

To be crystal clear I am not saying they did, rather just pointing out my reasoning for questioning todays events.

At some point you have to draw the line, either shit or get off the pot. You don't agree with people MPK'n gil sellers, don't CC them. If you see someone MPK'n gil sellers, leave. Nobody says you have to do it, but you don't have to help them either.

I was MPK'd by them yesterday, I personally feel it is within anyones rights to return the favor. So I was more then happy to watch them die. Like fire so correctly pointed out it is impossible to make the situation worse then it already is.

Damn right the next time I come across a dead ESP member in sky I will think twice before I raise them. When the GS's come to sky and start CC'n and MPK'n the pop items, if ESP wants some revenge and calls other LS's to help I am sure I will remember this. Not to say I wont help, I will just think twice first.

I mean come on now really... Whos side are you on anyway? People who post like peregrine did reminds me of the people who talk mad shit about gil sellers and buyers, but secretly suck their balls hoping to get a better deal on their next purchase.

P.S we saw some of these gil sellers with a genbu seal, so you know the MPK's are not far away from sky.
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TL;DR your retarded
 
Re: That's a tough one.

random hero said:
Moev said:
On one hand you have people who play a game to relax, have fun, meet new interesting people along the way, and because they enjoy playing the game.

The other hand you have groups of people who have no consideration for their fellow players. Who break every rule possible to bennifet themselfs for money. They lie, steal, mpk, ect whenever it's in their own best interests to do so. Not only do they not care about anyone who isn't associated with them, they also feed off of people who support them and break off chump gil, gear, or favors to whoever makes life easier for them.

It's just a simple fact they have helped create the pricing problems which all servers face. Not saying it is only them who created this situation but the are in fact part of the problem. SE has made attempts to make life more harder for Gil sellers, we may not all like those attmepts or agree with them, however atleast they are trying. Many other games have this problem and do nothing about it.

Sure MPK'n is wrong, the rules clearly state that. However these people have done it many times and continue to do so daily. It's one thing to MPK a party just because you want the time, that's gil seller tactics. It is another thing entirely to help out and stop a MPK of people who continuesly do so to others.

Some people want to use real life situations to support their views, fine. Then in a situation like tonight that's like watching a known rapist or killer, kill or rape someone and then offer them your car keys to help them escape.

They will MPK you or anyone who is faster then they are at claiming a NM, so although maybe you don't agree with MPK'n them, why help them? Nobody is making you MPK them, your not sitting around waiting to help others when these same people try and MPK the rest of us.

I also want to clarify I didn't say ESP did anything. I said some of their members aided the gil sellers, which they did. Sad as it is, actions of a few members sometimes help shape views towards a LS as a whole. It was not too long ago ESP (rightfully so) was mad about GBY stealing their claim, looked down upon BOL for their relations with gil sellers. So when a situation like this happens damn right I would question it.

If in fact these members were there to help the gil sellers, we will never know unless they decide to admit it. Which is why I questioned their actions and reasonings. You can't go around talking badly of others for doing something and then turn around and do something similar yourself.

To be crystal clear I am not saying they did, rather just pointing out my reasoning for questioning todays events.

At some point you have to draw the line, either shit or get off the pot. You don't agree with people MPK'n gil sellers, don't CC them. If you see someone MPK'n gil sellers, leave. Nobody says you have to do it, but you don't have to help them either.

I was MPK'd by them yesterday, I personally feel it is within anyones rights to return the favor. So I was more then happy to watch them die. Like fire so correctly pointed out it is impossible to make the situation worse then it already is.

Damn right the next time I come across a dead ESP member in sky I will think twice before I raise them. When the GS's come to sky and start CC'n and MPK'n the pop items, if ESP wants some revenge and calls other LS's to help I am sure I will remember this. Not to say I wont help, I will just think twice first.

I mean come on now really... Whos side are you on anyway? People who post like peregrine did reminds me of the people who talk mad shit about gil sellers and buyers, but secretly suck their balls hoping to get a better deal on their next purchase.

P.S we saw some of these gil sellers with a genbu seal, so you know the MPK's are not far away from sky.
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TL;DR your retarded
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unecessary posts :-\, now thats retarded.

Look all i can say is sorry for the accusation, we should have at least clarified what happened with you guys before ever posting shit. Unfortunately we came to hastily conclusions and false conclusions. As i've said before, zaev and white were seen casting cures, and i'm not sure on who. We just assumed that since the GS lived through that the cures being casted were on the GS. Our mistake, can we forgive and move on?
 
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