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pchan said:
Someone explains me the reason why i bought my account LOL. I didn't see any evidence so far ... Except this PLD that i dont know (is he famous on quetz ? ) that claims that i didnt refresh him.


The fact that someone doesn't have the same opinion as you doesn't mean it's a rmt.
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You've completely missed the point even though it was clearly spelled out, although that's not too surprising.
 
Tomasello said:
I really could not have said this better myself. I just assumed you (Pchan) were a 13 year old and didn't really have a coherent ability to explain yourself very well combined with a total ignorance with this game.

But if you’re calling other people retarded teenagers, well failed product of the American school system now comes to mind. So does clueless account buyer.

I'm no Ernest Hemmingway by any stretch but your posts are all virtually garbage and generally contribute nothing to the conversation. Other then taking the wind out of the ridicule generally reserved for Hellstorm.
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Just because you don't have the same opinion as others doesn't mean you're a RMT. I sure as hell don't have the same opinion as lot of people. That doesn't make me a RMT. And if you still don't know Pchan is not from a country with English as first or second language, you're still ignorant, considering I've mentioned it like 100 times. Personally I think Pchan explains himself just fine. Obviously, you're not taught in school to understand any English but your own. I think that's somewhat sad, to be honest. I'm taught to understand both written and spoken Australian, American, UK, Irish etc. English, and considering I don't have English as a first language, I at least tolerate people's attempts to make themselves heard.

Obviously, you never even try, since it does not take much effort to understand even Hellstorm. You have this stupid "omg, he have a misspelled word! I can't read that." attitude.

To show how stuck-up the QCDN community is, and how, apparently, important their pre-set opinions are, and how, apparently, important it is for someone that the community don't like, don't end up looking like a good guy, I've gotten rated down on several occasions sticking up for Hellstorm etc. The reason? "Stop making Hellstorm look good".

Apparently, someone couldn't let Hellstorm look good. Something about the server closing down when he's right was extremely important to avoid.
 
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pchan said:
Someone explains me the reason why i bought my account LOL. I didn't see any evidence so far ... Except this PLD that i dont know (is he famous on quetz ? ) that claims that i didnt refresh him.


The fact that someone doesn't have the same opinion as you doesn't mean it's a rmt.
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I believe the logic runs somewhere along the lines of:

Assertion: Pchan doesn't know what he's talking about with some supposedly obvious stuff about game mechanics.
Assertion: Most people learn said supposedly obvious stuff in the process of levelling to 75.
Conclusion: Pchan either didn't level to 75, or didn't learn the above stuff on the way there.
Possible Explanation: Someone else levelled the account and Pchan bought it.

Not really gonna get into it, I have no personal beef with you. In fact, I personally don't think you bought your account and I certainly don't think you're RMT. But that would be the reasoning. I'll leave it to those who want to make a case about it, to fill in the details of the assertions. Namely specific stuff you don't know that you ought to. (Methinks they're exaggerating, but there *are* a few noteworthy examples such as that "can't get evasion skillup by being hit" bit.)
 
Vilurum said:
I believe the logic runs somewhere along the lines of:

Assertion: Pchan doesn't know what he's talking about with some supposedly obvious stuff about game mechanics.
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Stuff like +int= Macc is well - known ingame mechanics. Sorry it isn't. It told them already. Not only is it not "well-known" but it seems to be totally false.

Assertion: Most people learn said supposedly obvious stuff in the process of levelling to 75.
Conclusion: Pchan either didn't level to 75, or didn't learn the above stuff on the way there.
Possible Explanation: Someone else levelled the account and Pchan bought it.
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You don't learn stuff like int/mnd alone leveling you job. You need advices and/or online help to learn that. You only confirm it in xp party/solo. Now i'm laughing very hard, cos those that beleived that int/mnd gives magic accuracy need some serious revision. Does this mean that they bought their account ?


Not really gonna get into it, I have no personal beef with you. In fact, I personally don't think you bought your account and I certainly don't think you're RMT. But that would be the reasoning. I'll leave it to those who want to make a case about it, to fill in the details of the assertions. Namely specific stuff you don't know that you ought to. (Methinks they're exaggerating, but there *are* a few noteworthy examples such as that "can't get evasion skillup by being hit" bit.)
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Which obviously proves that i'm a RMT.
 
pchan said:
Stuff like +int= Macc is well - known ingame mechanics. Sorry it isn't. It told them already. Not only is it not "well-known" but it seems to be totally false.



You don't learn stuff like int/mnd alone leveling you job. You need advices and/or online help to learn that. You only confirm it in xp party/solo. Now i'm laughing very hard, cos those that beleived that int/mnd gives magic accuracy need some serious revision. Does this mean that they bought their account ?




Which obviously proves that i'm a RMT.
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You not knowing something that you find out EXTREMELY early in your playing career lends to the notion you didn't experience the early game.

Some people only listen to what others have said about gear, others test things for themselves. In order to write up a strategy guide, someone has to be the first to do it. Knowing that INT/MND are most likely related to something with spellcasting is very easy to ascertain. The exact mechanics of it is more difficult. The challenge and lure of this game is to find the correct balances in everything.

This is a formula based game with a great deal of luck involved. As in any game that deals with chance, you try to stack the deck in your favor as much as possible. By taking a job from 1-75, let alone 3 jobs like your character has, you should have learned this long long ago.

Skillups occur whenever action is taken involving the use of that skill could be used.
EVA skill is the chance you will evade the mobs attack. If you get hit, that doesn't mean your evasion skill wasn't taken into consideration, it just means the calculation didn't work in your favor. Because of this, if you are under the cap, you have the potential for skillup, as in anything else in this game. Crafting if you break something, you still are able to skillup, lord knows I wouldn't have hit 100 early as I did without it.

Its a simple game, and by not picking up on consistencies found everywhere in early levels that are there to specifically teach you basic game concepts you are giving us the view that you either are:
A: God-damn stupid to miss so many things
and/or
B: Must have not played the early game
 
jamal said:
You not knowing something that you find out EXTREMELY early in your playing career lends to the notion you didn't experience the early game.

Some people only listen to what others have said about gear, others test things for themselves. In order to write up a strategy guide, someone has to be the first to do it. Knowing that INT/MND are most likely related to something with spellcasting is very easy to ascertain. The exact mechanics of it is more difficult. The challenge and lure of this game is to find the correct balances in everything.

This is a formula based game with a great deal of luck involved. As in any game that deals with chance, you try to stack the deck in your favor as much as possible. By taking a job from 1-75, let alone 3 jobs like your character has, you should have learned this long long ago.

Skillups occur whenever action is taken involving the use of that skill could be used.
EVA skill is the chance you will evade the mobs attack. If you get hit, that doesn't mean your evasion skill wasn't taken into consideration, it just means the calculation didn't work in your favor. Because of this, if you are under the cap, you have the potential for skillup, as in anything else in this game. Crafting if you break something, you still are able to skillup, lord knows I wouldn't have hit 100 early as I did without it.

Its a simple game, and by not picking up on consistencies found everywhere in early levels that are there to specifically teach you basic game concepts you are giving us the view that you either are:
A: God-damn stupid to miss so many things
and/or
B: Must have not played the early game
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The only thing you keep mentioning that he were wrong about and he missed, is evasion skill ups. Since there's, accordign to you, obviously so many things, why do you only keep mentioning one of them?

Is it because that's the oly thing, whic his apparently many, or is it because the other things he wasn't wrong about, you just had a different opinion and/or belief on something that have not been proven, only accepted by X players?
 
Uzor said:
The only thing you keep mentioning that he were wrong about and he missed, is evasion skill ups. Since there's, accordign to you, obviously so many things, why do you only keep mentioning one of them?

Is it because that's the oly thing, whic his apparently many, or is it because the other things he wasn't wrong about, you just had a different opinion and/or belief on something that have not been proven, only accepted by X players?
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That's the first time I mentioned evasion skillups. I was using it as an example of something you should know RIGHT away.

I have personal experience playing with him, and he is by far the worst lvl 75 rdm I've ever encountered. If you would like me to list why, I can start a flame. I was being nice and only bringing up the last thing mentioned.
 
jamal said:
That's the first time I mentioned evasion skillups. I was using it as an example of something you should know RIGHT away.

I have personal experience playing with him, and he is by far the worst lvl 75 rdm I've ever encountered. If you would like me to list why, I can start a flame. I was being nice and only bringing up the last thing mentioned.
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Reason I ask is because the only thing everyone ever mention is evasion skill ups. I haven't seen anyone else mention anything else ever.

And I have personal experience playing with him too, and he's far from the worst.
 
Uzor said:
And I have personal experience playing with him too, and he's far from the worst.
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And I was the one being accused of partying with shitty rdms...offer is still out there, if you want the low-down on why pchan sucks, just ask.
 
I'm not sure if this is "off-topic" or what w/ the current conversation, but just ran into someone named Luvaid that has a Denali Jacket.
 
Uzor said:
Reason I ask is because the only thing everyone ever mention is evasion skill ups. I haven't seen anyone else mention anything else ever.
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Evasion skillups are, to be fair, all that come to mind (granted, it's a rather blatantly obvious thing to be wrong about, but still it's only one thing). Well, that and his difficulties with reading comprehension occasionally (say one thing, he takes it to mean another), but that's relatively forgivable due to the ESL factor.
 
Eh, I'll take 7k/hr in a low-stress messing around with friends setting, particularly if it involves helping some people not yet 75, hit 75 (because obviously they're not gonna be merited uberly geared 75's, simply by definition). If I'm actually out there gunning for efficient merits and exp/hr, then I'd agree that 7k/hr is quite sad. Even non-cannons can get exp/hr in the low teens without undue effort, and any cannon should be able to make 15k/hr at a bare minimum, and 18-20k/hr if they're halfway decent.
 
Vilurum said:
Evasion skillups are, to be fair, all that come to mind (granted, it's a rather blatantly obvious thing to be wrong about, but still it's only one thing). Well, that and his difficulties with reading comprehension occasionally (say one thing, he takes it to mean another), but that's relatively forgivable due to the ESL factor.
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I don't go assume someone have bought their account just because they're wrong about one thing. Everyone is wrong occasionally. You're assuming he's a moron because he was wrong about one thing. Large or not, its still oly one thing. And you're basing everything he says on 1 thing.
jamal said:
Just so you know that this is another ridiculous comment.
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But its not wrong, its a matter of opinion. What one find bad can be good to someone else. You can't say its wrong, since its a matter of opinion. There is no wrong in his statement. I'm not sure if you have troubles noticing the difference between fact and opinion, so I suggest you go read up on it. Either that, or you have serious reading comprehension problems, since that's not what I asked for. I asked for wrong facgs, not opinions.
 
Vilurum said:
Eh, I'll take 7k/hr in a low-stress messing around with friends setting, particularly if it involves helping some people not yet 75, hit 75 (because obviously they're not gonna be merited uberly geared 75's, simply by definition). If I'm actually out there gunning for efficient merits and exp/hr, then I'd agree that 7k/hr is quite sad. Even non-cannons can get exp/hr in the low teens without undue effort, and any cannon should be able to make 15k/hr at a bare minimum, and 18-20k/hr if they're halfway decent.
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The quotes after his comment showed that 7k/hour still was extremely low-end messing around with friends. He didn't say the times that this was acceptable either. It was in response to my comments that I needed efficiency, and thus why I always looked for people who are the best at the jobs I prefer to have.

Hell, I trio'd as pld/nin in C.mire for 10k/hour when my buffer got low. I've also had a 72 in a cannon party before, and while exp wasn't as high as possible, it wasn't anywhere near 7k/hour.
 
Uzor said:
I don't go assume someone have bought their account just because they're wrong about one thing. Everyone is wrong occasionally. You're assuming he's a moron because he was wrong about one thing. Large or not, its still oly one thing. And you're basing everything he says on 1 thing.

But its not wrong, its a matter of opinion. What one find bad can be good to someone else. You can't say its wrong, since its a matter of opinion. There is no wrong in his statement. I'm not sure if you have troubles noticing the difference between fact and opinion, so I suggest you go read up on it. Either that, or you have serious reading comprehension problems, since that's not what I asked for. I asked for wrong facgs, not opinions.
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You asked for it, you got it. I'll prepare a nice toasty flame later in the day. This is one of those times you shouldn't argue to argue. If crosis sucked at what he did, by all means I would tell him.
You are the cause of this, just remember that. You should have just left it alone, because I do have quite a few conclusive notes I took on this person...
 
pchan said:
im telling you you need to evade to get skill ups, which is true
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pchan said:
Chainspell is for noobs that have no strategy !
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pchan said:
Your LS kill it with ease lol ? All your members have a rong/mantel ?
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pchan said:
Why would RDm's 2H be a waste and not RNG's lol ?
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pchan said:
Chasuble is a good body piece.
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pchan said:
I am the n+1 rdm that didn't refresh you , and i feel very sorry that. But i congratutlate you on your memory ^^
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pchan said:
Except this PLD that i dont know (is he famous on quetz ? ) that claims that i didnt refresh him.
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I found this all in fifteen minutes, I'm sure theres much more on the forums Uzor.
 
Crosis said:
I found this all in fifteen minutes, I'm sure theres much more on the forums Uzor.
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Waiting for the "That's opinion not fact" retort...so I have my response ready. Headin to lunch though, so you'll have to wait.
 
Let's have a few quotes ...

Uzor said:
Vilurum said:
Evasion skillups are, to be fair, all that come to mind (granted, it's a rather blatantly obvious thing to be wrong about, but still it's only one thing). Well, that and his difficulties with reading comprehension occasionally (say one thing, he takes it to mean another), but that's relatively forgivable due to the ESL factor.
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I don't go assume someone have bought their account just because they're wrong about one thing. Everyone is wrong occasionally. You're assuming he's a moron because he was wrong about one thing. Large or not, its still oly one thing. And you're basing everything he says on 1 thing.
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And bolded for emphasis:

Vilurum said:
I believe the logic runs somewhere along the lines of:

Assertion: Pchan doesn't know what he's talking about with some supposedly obvious stuff about game mechanics.
Assertion: Most people learn said supposedly obvious stuff in the process of levelling to 75.
Conclusion: Pchan either didn't level to 75, or didn't learn the above stuff on the way there.
Possible Explanation: Someone else levelled the account and Pchan bought it.

Not really gonna get into it, I have no personal beef with you. In fact, I personally don't think you bought your account and I certainly don't think you're RMT. But that would be the reasoning. I'll leave it to those who want to make a case about it, to fill in the details of the assertions. Namely specific stuff you don't know that you ought to. (Methinks they're exaggerating, but there *are* a few noteworthy examples such as that "can't get evasion skillup by being hit" bit.)
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Uzor said:
Either that, or you have serious reading comprehension problems, since that's not what I asked for.
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That wasn't in response to me, but I did find it ironic all things considered.

You're right, though, he did get one very obvious thing quite wrong, and that stuck in my mind (and apparently in the minds of others) leading me to take some of his other words with a fair bit of salt. For all I know (I don't exactly stalk his posts) he's been wrong about other stuff too. Or perhaps he hasn't. The example I gave is the one I remember - whether it's 1 out of 1 things he's been wrong about or 1 out of 100 things he's been wrong about, no clue and I'll admit that quite upfront. Such is the nature of an example, it doesn't indicate a relative frequency.

Throw in his lack of reading comprehension (understandable or not, it *is* still present and complicates discussing things with him) and his reactive attitude to empty jibes that any sensible person would ignore (see most Skaw one-liners). I *think* (could be remembering wrong) that he's also not too keen on considering the viewpoint from the opposing side of the argument, but such a lack of objectivity is *hardly* unique to him (it's present in the vast majority of internet arguments after all). :P

I don't think he's a moron and as I said before and apparently need to say again, I don't think he bought his account and I don't think he's RMT. I do, however, think that he's not the easiest person in the world to have a discussion/argument/debate with for a variety of factors, many of which I've explained above. (EDIT: I still don't have a beef with him and am quite willing to listen to his arguments, I'm just pointing out that it's a bit more difficult to discuss things with him than with others.) And while I won't write off everything someone says just because they had a blatant error in the past, I'm sure as hell not going to take *other* things they say at face value. Doesn't mean that I assume they're wrong, just means I don't assume they're right, and therefore I want backup information.
 
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Crosis said:
I found this all in fifteen minutes, I'm sure theres much more on the forums Uzor.
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Seriously, both you and Jamal seem to have serious problems with readign comprehension. Let's see what I said, shall we?

Uzor said:
The only thing you keep mentioning that he were wrong about and he missed, is evasion skill ups. Since there's, accordign to you, obviously so many things, why do you only keep mentioning one of them?

Is it because that's the only thing, which is apparently many, or is it because the other things he wasn't wrong about, you just had a different opinion and/or belief on something that have not been proven, only accepted by X players?
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Let's see which of them you mentioned.
im telling you you need to evade to get skill ups, which is true
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That fits the criteria, yes. But it is, once again, the only thing you keep mentioning that actually do. Let's see what you have to come with next.
Chainspell is for noobs that have no strategy !
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Opinion.
Your LS kill it with ease lol ? All your members have a rong/mantel ?
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Question and ridicule.
Why would RDm's 2H be a waste and not RNG's lol ?
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Question
Chasuble is a good body piece.
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Opinion.
I am the n+1 rdm that didn't refresh you , and i feel very sorry that. But i congratutlate you on your memory ^^
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Let's see, admitance, and maybe fact? It doesn't prove him wrong, though.
Except this PLD that i dont know (is he famous on quetz ? ) that claims that i didnt refresh him.
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Question?

So out of all of those quotes, when I asked for statements he had made with facts that were wrong, only one fit the criteria. Either you have serious problems with reading comprehension, or you´re just a moron that thinks opinion = fact.

jamal said:
Waiting for the "That's opinion not fact" retort...so I have my response ready. Headin to lunch though, so you'll have to wait.
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I'd love to see your response. I don't make friends with idiots, hence why I'm not friends with you.
 
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