1337 pere wants a thf knife o.O details inside

[Bajaratt]

I thought the original plan was to sell just enough each week to cover the cost of the hourglass, and the remaining ones go to the bank, where pere would just flat out give them to members who were upgrading?

That's what he was claiming. He keeps changing his positions so many times, so he lacks any form of credibility.

 

[Zylia]

Would this discussion even be happening if myself or another thief in our shell had posted they were looking for a thief's knife for the shell?

You guys are only causing any kind of stir because its Peregrine who posted. It doesn't matter that Invictus wants to buy a thief's knife. You guys could care less about that. It's that Peregrine is buying a thief's knife for our LS.

And like a few before this post have said, thats not even any of your business how our shell operates...

 

[Nalia]

You know whats guys, I read the first 10 post, I don't need or want to read anymore. You all have done nothing, but bash Pere and ignored everything he said AND everyone else in that shell has said. I even read the AH post which obviously most of you guys haven't.

You have no right too first, break Sculli's rules, by bashing/attacking Pere in his AH post. I don't care if he's "Done it, in other post" that's QCDN's buiness, thier rules, they will enforce them. Second you all seem to have, such great idea's for our LS, but YOUR NOT IN IT!, so mind you own god damn business. You want a say in what goes on, then join, otherswise, stick your head back up your ass and move on. You don't like Pere, fine, thats your business, but I will tell you all this.

I only know Pere through Dynamis. I only see him, every Dynamis run, and I don't see this Pere, you guys speak of or think he is. I see a person, who is strong and is a fine leader. He knows his shit, and this game. He's not "Gimped" like you all so want to beileve, because despite what this server thinks, it's not always the BEST gear.....WAIT, how is it anyones fucking business, what gear he wears anyways. It's not like your gonna invite him to your party. Is he gonna hack0rz your account, and run around on your screen, and piss you off? Doubt it.

Now I'm rambling.. Anyways PERE IS NOT THE ONLY LEADER..OK! Kids read again....PERE IS NOT THE ONLY LEADER..and if any of you would of had the littlest amount of "adult" in them, then you would of known, WE ALL voted on what to do with the coin money, so suck a nut peoples. You all have NO fight, your just pissing around, because in some little way Pere, on one tiny day, did something to piss you off, and GOD forbid, if people have the NERVE to do something WE don't like.

 

[Daveman]

You see the thing is this... Peregrine started the shell with the pretense that he would be gathering the coins, selling them, and deviding the money amongst the members of the shell equally. This is what he's said since he started. Memebers of the shell have yet to see a dime it seems, and now there was a very dramatic policy change. In real life we call this 'Bait & Switch Tactics' and in real life it's illegal. The thing is, if anyone in the group complains, they can be removed from the group, and that furthers the scam. Having disgruntaled people outside the group that have been 'fucked' telling the group things and causing a sense of distress amongst the members the members get fed up, and disband, leaving thier leader with a Knife...

I was largely involved in the creation of this shell. I can assure you there are no scams going on, I dunno what my word is worth to you, but I know quite of few people who can back me up as being honest. We started the shell merely to keep doing dynamis at a time that was good for us after OHex disbanded, we then allowed members to host runs to make it free for other members who had no intrest in coins, this backfired due to dishonest people profitting off out coins instead of upgrading. We then started to collect money (this is well after we were established as a linkshell) where we then held public polls about what to do with the gil, we eventually chose to go for a thf knife (we being, peregrine, me, and alot of other members) this was never pere's choice, I myself pushed for this option over others. Thus far -no one- has ever been removed from the linkshell for complaining about what we're doing with the money, and I haven't heard a single major complaint within the linkshell.

The fact that you don't know under what terms the linkshell started with, and assume the worse, means your oppinion is biased and invalid until you get all the details straight.

What the right, and honest thing would have been to do in this situation would to devide up the money and clear with the group as a whole, possibly with a vote, that from a certain point on proceeds would be used on a knife for future use. And... Give the LS members a choice to either buy into the knife or keep thier share of the money; what the LS members earned.

We had a vote on what to do overall, your system seems fair enough, but it's overly complicated, and 95% of the people would keep the money anyways, so this bascially would of ended up being an "all or nothing".

 

[Bajaratt]

Zylia, it's that he comes out of nowhere with a shitload of money to buy the thf knife, obviously due to the sell of coins from his linkshell. First, he was going to give the coins to members going for upgrades, then he's giving a share of the profits to all members, both of which he continuously harped on and how that made him "better" than the rest of us. Now, he's using the profit off that linkshell to buy something that will barely effect anything during the runs. The fact that at the start of his linkshell he never really proved how he wasn't going to be ripping off everyone in it for his own profit didn't help.

If he had used Daveman to request it from the start, or any other member of his shell, then there wouldn't have been a problem, but this whole thing goes back to exploiting the linkshell that people saw months ago and was never dispelled. He's been claiming for months that he has this huge net worth, and now he's proven what people already knew, that he included the results of all of your work as part of his personal net worth. No one else does that, no other leader says that everything that the linkshell's members has earned is part of their personal money supply. From the way he's been talking, he single handedly pulls and kills every monster in the zone, and you people are just sitting back at the start leeching the AF that drops. He gives zero credit to anyone in the linkshell but himself, so naturally people don't like that.

Nalia, no, I'm not in your shell, but there's no way in hell I would ever join either. I've been in 2 linkshells that Peregrine pulled for, both of them sucked. When people started to discuss the strategy for the pulls in Dynamis - Jeuno for the one run I attended with them, Peregrin called everyone who qustioned him idiots and how we didn't know anything about dynamis. He seems to finally have pulled his head out of his ass regarding pulls/strategy, but based on reports from people in your own shell, it's still not as good as you and him are making it out to be. Actually, a lot of the people I've talked to said that the only reason they're in your shell is because it's the only one that's accepting members. The fact that he's constantly recruiting everyone who so much as says "I might be looking for a dynamis shell" comes off as him unable to keep his membership, so it's hard to believe that he's doing an excellent job as you're saying if people keep leaving.

His utter lack of arguing ability doesn't help him at all either. His method is to ignore all logic thrown at him, completely drop all arguments, and attack meaningless sentences all the while trying to brag about how much better than us he is. He derails threads for attention, because no one would give him any outside of your linkshell if he didn't. He calls people who oppose him his fanboys to try to ignore all logical arguments they make, but still doesn't respond to anything.

Second, he is gimped. His gear is sub par compared to other thiefs, and he's shown zero desire to improve it. He brags about how much money he has :roll: and still refuses to actually spend any of it to make him better. In fact, he seems to hate people who strive for being the best. He made a thread insulting people who bought the best DD mantle in the game, he said that a red mage didn't deserve excaliber because King Arthur of legend was a Knight/Paladin, regardless of the fact that the red mage earned the sword. He's been completely opposed to people bettering themselves, and calls them idiots because they play the game differently than he does.

His gear is also our business, because he would be ineffective if he were to do anything other than pull, which is what he does for your linkshell. In an exp party, your gear can speed up or slow down the exp flow, effecting others; in HNM, your gear determines how hard/often you hit, how much damage you tank, how often you evade, your nuke damage, your enfeebling rate, your curing potential. This game is based off numbers and formula, and gear is the only way to effect it; so yes, gear is very important. Skill plays a role as well, but most jobs are all about the dice roll.

Daveman, when were these polls made public? I certainly never saw an option to vote for what your linkshell does with the coins. Because of that, I'm assuming that by public you mean open to all members of your linkshell, which is still private. The fact that you made a poll is good, since it lessens the chance for abuse.

No, I don't know the internal affairs of your linkshell, so the only thing I can go off of is Peregrine's bullshit. I personally don't feel like this is a good move, because a thf knife won't really help your LS; it would take months/years to pay off the cost of a thf knife with the few extra coins you would get per run, if any. It's still your call, and you being the one in charge of the knife makes me feel a hell of a lot better about it, since I know you're not going to run off with it.

 

[Mirewen]

Think of it this way... if in the end it is a scam, then the people posting here defending him have no one to blame but themselves. None of you who are 'upset' about this are in Invictus, so really (other than principle) you shouldn't be 'upset'. If as a LS they want him to buy the knife with their hard earned money, then that's their deal. If he takes the knife to use himself, the TS for them.

 

[Zylia]

His gear is also our business, because he would be ineffective if he were to do anything other than pull, which is what he does for your linkshell. In an exp party, your gear can speed up or slow down the exp flow, effecting others; in HNM, your gear determines how hard/often you hit, how much damage you tank, how often you evade, your nuke damage, your enfeebling rate, your curing potential. This game is based off numbers and formula, and gear is the only way to effect it; so yes, gear is very important. Skill plays a role as well, but most jobs are all about the dice roll.

Peregrine doesn't play. He logs on twice a week to do Dynamis. Is his gear still your business? He's in my social and on my friendlist. I see when he logs on. I tried to get him to go xp a lower level job with me the other day and he said he was too busy and logged. You all know he's in medical school. He doesn't have time to actually do anything other than the max of 8 hours a week he spends in Dynamis. He's not even on our social much anymore....

He especially doesn't do HNM and Sky, as he dislikes the player-base involved in those activities for the most part... you of all people should know his stance on end-game and what motivates people who participate in it. He does small quests for exp last I knew and he does still maintain a few items that are considered decent for an xp party. They're actually lent out to one of the members of my social LS right now because they've been collecting dust in his mog house. Just because you see the gear he pulls in doesn't mean thats all the gear he owns. Especially since you know he's obviously not trying to impress you or anyone else... he's not going to walk around wearing millions worth of gear just to stand in jeuno.

His extent of playing is flying to Dynamis, pulling for us very well, getting a warp back to jeuno and sitting in Batallia to bazaar coins. I think if you're going to pick on someone about gear, you might better consider how many times this person actually leaves Jeuno. I saw a level 55 thief dual wielding clubs the other day in an experience party. Surely there are better candidates to deem gimp than one player who rarely spends more than 10 hours a week on the game (including the 8 hours of Dynamis...)

About the polls.. they're public to our LS. They don't need to be public to you, because they're our private business. They were public to our members. Thats all that matters. Your input means jack shit to the players in our shell.

Pere may hold the conch in our LS, but he's not the end all be all. HE'S not using the profit of the linkshell to buy the knife. WE ARE. Got it? WE. Invictus is. Nalia is the most innocent poster on this thread and you guys are still tearing her apart for trying. She even said its a collective operation. I spoke to a few members today and they agree that Peregrine is an ass on these forums, but that doesn't make the linkshell bad. You can't transfer your dislike for Peregrine onto the shell by twisting it around. You can twist the facts all you want to fit your own views, but what you twist will never turn into fact. It doesn't work that way. You guys have a molded image of Peregrine that just doesn't happen to be true ingame. Sorry.

Peregrine has won us many Dynamises, but it only comes from his pulling. He keeps us moving, keeps us motivated, tells us to get it done when its not getting done. He didn't show up for a run one night and I ended up pulling, highly inexperienced myself. I didn't make all the extensions even though I tried my hardest. Peregrine's an asset to our team because he knows how fast we gotta move and he knows the areas like the back of his hand. We pull it off and win. We win well. Peregrine doesn't win for us, but he's a hell of a big chunk of the win. We tear down the mobs but he's what motivates us to win.

And honestly... you sit here and think. Is our getting a thief's knife really that big of a deal to your quality of game play? All this time your sitting here on this forum telling me and Dave and Nalia and anyone else who reads this post, is what our shell does really any of your business? When you go into Dynamis with Loveless or Perfect or any of those shells, is the fact that we have a Thief's knife gonig to play a role in your own achievement? We frankly don't get a shit about how your LS's function.........

Just because Peregrine is the leader of ours is a damned sad reason for trying to take a hit at our shell. I like what Mirewen said. If he does screw us, which he wont, hows that your problem? You can come back and PM me and Daveman and Nalia and hell anyone else if you wanna go browse the roster and tell us that you told us so. It wont happen but if it helps you get off on yourselves go find our roster and prepare a defeat message for when the shell breaks and we're all left penniless.

 

[Daveman]

If he had used Daveman to request it from the start, or any other member of his shell, then there wouldn't have been a problem

Actually that was the plan all along, we anticipated that if a thf held the knife off runs then some members would feel cheated or taken advantage of, so we were gonna keep the knife somewhere where it couldn't be used outside of dynamis anyways.

Nalia, no, I'm not in your shell, but there's no way in hell I would ever join either. I've been in 2 linkshells that Peregrine pulled for, both of them sucked. When people started to discuss the strategy for the pulls in Dynamis - Jeuno for the one run I attended with them, Peregrin called everyone who qustioned him idiots and how we didn't know anything about dynamis. He seems to finally have pulled his head out of his ass regarding pulls/strategy, but based on reports from people in your own shell, it's still not as good as you and him are making it out to be. Actually, a lot of the people I've talked to said that the only reason they're in your shell is because it's the only one that's accepting members. The fact that he's constantly recruiting everyone who so much as says "I might be looking for a dynamis shell" comes off as him unable to keep his membership, so it's hard to believe that he's doing an excellent job as you're saying if people keep leaving.

You're right our linkshell sucks, lets all just disband and pack up and go home. Oh wait, nvm you're just someone on the outside with a biased oppinion. How about this, we used to lose every single run, now we win every single run, and lately we've not only won but had ample farming time. The linkshell is getting stronger, but you wouldn't know that of course, you're not in the linkshell, you only listen to negative news, and take that as the only news, ignoring all the good news. The strats we use are pretty good, and came from pere, you wouldn't know of course you're not in the linkshell.

Also define alot of the people? You're probably talking about out low attendance members who join/quit within a month, how about our reliable members who enjoy the linkshell? You're talking about the type of person who only wants to be in a great linkshell, and doesn't want to help build one, or be loyal to a linkshell unless it's already a great one. We get told plenty of times by new members "This is the most fun I've ever had ingame" ant etc.. during one windy run with 36 people, 50% of the people have never beat windy, the other 50% were like "wow that was the smoothest and best windy run I've ever seen".

We're not the best we know that, but we're also relativly new and still growing, and things are looking bright for the linkshell.

His gear is also our business, because he would be ineffective if he were to do anything other than pull, which is what he does for your linkshell. In an exp party, your gear can speed up or slow down the exp flow, effecting others; in HNM, your gear determines how hard/often you hit, how much damage you tank, how often you evade, your nuke damage, your enfeebling rate, your curing potential. This game is based off numbers and formula, and gear is the only way to effect it; so yes, gear is very important. Skill plays a role as well, but most jobs are all about the dice roll.

I don't know much about thf, but hey guess what? He's an effective puller and does his job well. Don't invite him to your pts, your hnmls, or anything if you think he's gimp. Gear or not, he does his job well in dynamis.

Daveman, when were these polls made public? I certainly never saw an option to vote for what your linkshell does with the coins. Because of that, I'm assuming that by public you mean open to all members of your linkshell, which is still private. The fact that you made a poll is good, since it lessens the chance for abuse.

Public was the wrong word then, but it was free to all members of the shell to vote on, even if you only went on one run. (and an outsider who really wanted to wouldn't have a hard time getting a vote in anyways)

No, I don't know the internal affairs of your linkshell, so the only thing I can go off of is Peregrine's bullshit. I personally don't feel like this is a good move, because a thf knife won't really help your LS; it would take months/years to pay off the cost of a thf knife with the few extra coins you would get per run, if any. It's still your call, and you being the one in charge of the knife makes me feel a hell of a lot better about it, since I know you're not going to run off with it.

Weather or not the knife helps doesn't really matter, it makes us feel better inside, and even if during our whole ownership of the knife, we only get 1 extra af2 because of it, it would technically of been worth it, it's not like we have a broad range of uses for linkshell money, as we're a ls that meets twice a week. Anyways, mistake or not, it's not worse thing in the world for the dynamis shell to do, if it doesn't help, at least it wouldn't hurt either.

 

[vang]

What type of THF buys the thf knife instead of camping it anyways.

 

[Skaw]

What type of THF buys the thf knife instead of camping it anyways.

The same retarded one that is fully convinved that putting effort in to gear does nothing.

You guys are idiots, this wouldn't be happening in the first place if Peregrine didn't stick is Jersey-nose in to what we spend our gil on. Theses guys are just playing with his obvious current hypocrisy. He's now a HQ Whore like the rest of us.

If STR+1 doesn't cause you do to even the slightest increase in damage, thus killing mobs faster, and VIT+1 doesn't save you any HP, thus making you tougher to kill, then obviously TH+1 doesn't increase drop rates!

 

[Skaw]

er, convinced, that should be. And no second s on These. Had to type that reply out fast because Comcast has been booting me for some retarded reason for the last 3 weeks, was just connected for an INCREDIBLE ONE MINUTE before getting disconnected again.

 

[meeze]

Whats gonna happen to the next 60 mil the LS gets?

 

[vang]

The same retarded one that is fully convinved that putting effort in to gear does nothing.

You guys are idiots, this wouldn't be happening in the first place if Peregrine didn't stick is Jersey-nose in to what we spend our gil on. Theses guys are just playing with his obvious current hypocrisy. He's now a HQ Whore like the rest of us.

If STR+1 doesn't cause you do to even the slightest increase in damage, thus killing mobs faster, and VIT+1 doesn't save you any HP, thus making you tougher to kill, then obviously TH+1 doesn't increase drop rates!

Oh god Skaw you made a good point, prepare for your post to be buried and ignored by Peregrine like usual!

 

[Zylia]

The same retarded one that is fully convinved that putting effort in to gear does nothing.

You guys are idiots, this wouldn't be happening in the first place if Peregrine didn't stick is Jersey-nose in to what we spend our gil on. Theses guys are just playing with his obvious current hypocrisy. He's now a HQ Whore like the rest of us.

If STR+1 doesn't cause you do to even the slightest increase in damage, thus killing mobs faster, and VIT+1 doesn't save you any HP, thus making you tougher to kill, then obviously TH+1 doesn't increase drop rates!

Our shell wants the knife, who cares what Peregrine thinks or what he says on here?

And to correct you, this started because people derailed his thread about buying a thief's knife for our shell. Thats why. His post had nothing to do with his past actions.

Meeze, why do you care? You quit our shell. Shoo shoo, our business.

 

[Daveman]

Theses guys are just playing with his obvious current hypocrisy.

They're not just playing with pere, they're playing with the linkshell as a whole. If you have something against pere, wanna flame pere, point out the whole th+1 compared to str+1, go ahead.

When you say the whole ls is a scam, he's cheating us out, we're all idiots, we suck, and etc.. you're crossing a line. Pere is not the only leader, and isn't a dictator in the shell, when you insult the shell you insult a wide range of peope, most of who would actually agree that pere is wrong on certain issues (forager, blm, etc..)

 

[Daveman]

Whats gonna happen to the next 60 mil the LS gets?

That doesn't matter to you, anyways I personally have my own ideas, and I'm sure other members have ideas also, we'll discuss this and vote on it just like the thf knife.

 

[Skaw]

Our shell wants the knife, who cares what Peregrine thinks or what he says on here?

And to correct you, this started because people derailed his thread about buying a thief's knife for our shell. Thats why. His post had nothing to do with his past actions.

Meeze, why do you care? You quit our shell. Shoo shoo, our business.

Way to be brainwashed. His post might've not, but everyone elses has. It has everything to do with his past actions. If he kept his trash-hole shut about... everything, none of this would be going on.

You're a fool to think otherwise. He's stepped on many people toes, just desserts and all.

Can't expect a Peregrine-tainted to understand though. Go back to the beck and call of your master.

 

[Zylia]

I've known Peregrine a long time. Don't try to proceed to call me brainwashed. I've known him well before he even did Dynamis, I've known him before he did end game. I knew him before he posted on QCDN.

 

[Skaw]

They're not just playing with pere, they're playing with the linkshell as a whole. If you have something against pere, wanna flame pere, point out the whole th+1 compared to str+1, go ahead.

When you say the whole ls is a scam, he's cheating us out, we're all idiots, we suck, and etc.. you're crossing a line. Pere is not the only leader, and isn't a dictator in the shell, when you insult the shell you insult a wide range of peope, most of who would actually agree that pere is wrong on certain issues (forager, blm, etc..)

I've never said anything akin to your shells politics aside from the fact that you guys are pretty lack luster in smarts for continually following the worst figurehead in existance. Remember all those flames about shell leaders for their members actions? It does go both ways. You not only associate yourselves with that ilk, but you blindly follow him. Your leader is a reflection upon yourselves, much like you are a reflection upon your leader.


But then again, Peregrines me-me-me attitude leads me to believe you're probably all just eBay'd alts at this point.

 

[Daveman]

Way to be brainwashed. His post might've not, but everyone elses has. It has everything to do with his past actions. If he kept his trash-hole shut about... everything, none of this would be going on.

You're a fool to think otherwise. He's stepped on many people toes, just desserts and all.

Can't expect a Peregrine-tainted to understand though. Go back to the beck and call of your master.

I can't speak for zylia, but I personally remember writing long counter arguements against pere's oppinions in certain flames. (if you dig through them I'm sure you could find them) and heavily disagreeing with those issues.

You calling us peregrine-tainted is funny, I've gotten hints from zylia's posts that he doesn't agre with many of pere's oppinions. And I'll assure you, I think nothing's wrong with my snow ring(+1int over something about 3m cheaper), or the all blm ks30 without my own orb I used to pay for it.