5 Hit Build GK Vs. 6 Hit Build Hagun

[Spalko]

With the new addition of Great Katana Pachipachio http://ffxi.wikia.com/wiki/Pachipachio, think it is practical to have a 5 Hit Build that can deal out Hagun?

The new GK alone have 82 DMG, -6 ACC, +12 ATT, 2 Store TP.

I read from somewhere that it need 54 Store TP for a 480 Delay GK to have 5 Hit Build.

Amount of STP
25 from lvl 75 SAM
10 from Merit
5 from Rajas
8 from Hachiman Kote (Using that currently)
1 from C chain
2 from Pachipachio
1 from Brutal Earring

That is total of 52 right there.

Other 2 can be easily reached with Carbonara (+6)

or other options.

1 from E.Ring with 4 ACC
9 by replacing Hachiman Kote with Hachiman Kote+1
5 from Askar Korazin

Was wondering if those setup be practical with 5 hit build, and possibly beat Hagun?

 

[Begen]

Off topic: gimme cookies!!

 

[ds083roadkill]

-6 acc, no sushi, no sniper+1 (rajas), no acc kote(forgot name), no pcc...

your gunna be hurting to hit things. to make up for the loss your going to sacrifice on alot of other great peices to get it back. life belt for swift belt, optical hat for turban, pole strap for platinum grip +1, not worth it.

 

[Spalko]

well you can eat sushi if you can find other 2 STP from other gears, cabonara is just for when you cant find the 2 STP.
Off Topic: You didnt come to Sky to raise me today, so no cookies Begen, bad for your teeth when you eat cookies at this hour too.

 

[Flag]

Also, that new GKT is perfect for Ikishoten. You'd get a 5 hit build if you had 5 merits in it with only one zanshin hit w/less focusing on STP -- of course, it's only practical on HNM/gods/using meat in merits since you won't often zanshin on other mobs.

Hachiryu is also a good idea, depending on the amount of extra STP it gives for the set bonus. Also, the zanshin effect isn't too shabby either.

 

[Spalko]

Flag, i think you thinking of another new GK, there are 3 of them, one you thinking about might be one with 450 Delay 7 ATT and DEX with zanshin. Another is lowest delay with acc+

 

[mdkuser]

they added a store tp range item in this update (+2).

 

[Zoolander]

+7 Store TP from Usukane Feet and +5 From Hachiman Feet as well. Enough SAMs have Usu pieces now, so achieving enough Store TP isn't that bad, question is if it will out perform Hagun.

 

[Zethren]

-6 acc, no sushi, no sniper+1 (rajas), no acc kote(forgot name), no pcc...

your gunna be hurting to hit things. to make up for the loss your going to sacrifice on alot of other great peices to get it back. life belt for swift belt, optical hat for turban, pole strap for platinum grip +1, not worth it.

I agree with roady, but I would like to add that it can be useful when you're fighting easy stuff like Nyzul( maybe switch to hagun for boss), limbus, I don't think dynamis has very evasive mobs as well, among other things.

 

[Galadrios]

I would also personally stick to a 6 hit Hagun build for the reason you are giving up too many things to reach that 5 hit build. You need also to consider that you will need that 54 tp on WS as well in order for it to be a true 5 hit build and how much STR attack acc etc are you sacrificing in order to get that 20 tp on WS hit?

I do believe that the only GK worth contructing a 5 hit build around is relic (due to the additional effect on ws and also the bare +20 acc coming with it) but well clearly thats rare.

 

[Flag]

Flag, i think you thinking of another new GK, there are 3 of them, one you thinking about might be one with 450 Delay 7 ATT and DEX with zanshin. Another is lowest delay with acc+

With the new addition of Great Katana Pachipachio http://ffxi.wikia.com/wiki/Pachipachio, think it is practical to have a 5 Hit Build that can deal out Hagun?

The new GK alone have 82 DMG, -6 ACC, +12 ATT, 2 Store TP.

Now I'm not saying everyone should go out and lol-acc shit for Iki with that, but you can live with -6 and still hit a good deal, and also hit some zanshin shots.

 

[Jakey]

I'd just like to point out that this weapon also has a larger delay than hagun(why you can more easily reach a 5 hit build with it) but that puts delay to 100 tp at
480*5=2400 vs 450*6=2700
the question is how much acc and or haste do you have to sacrifice and is it worth it, at the moment I'm counting a shit ton of lost acc you can make up for some of it at the cost of haste mostly as roadkill pointed out life belt over swift/speed, optical over turban(unless you have ace's) not to mention you are using hachiman in at least one spot you could probably have dusk or byakko I hope you wouldn't consider taking off.

say you lose 10% haste and to shrink this effect as much as possible we'll say no other haste other than hasso, as haste's effects improve exponentially. so hagun with 20% haste vs Pachipachio with 10% haste even if the new set has the same acc which would be very hard to reach. look at the delay to 100% tp
2400*.9=2160 vs 2700*.8=2160
they now have the same time to 100% tp, hagun should win the DPS due to getting in 6 hits in the same time now as pachipachio's 5 and ws due to the hagun tp bonus.

if this is going to be even close you can't afford to lose a significant amount of acc or anything close to 10% haste

 

[Lavi]

With the new addition of Great Katana Pachipachio http://ffxi.wikia.com/wiki/Pachipachio, think it is practical to have a 5 Hit Build that can deal out Hagun?

The new GK alone have 82 DMG, -6 ACC, +12 ATT, 2 Store TP.

I read from somewhere that it need 54 Store TP for a 480 Delay GK to have 5 Hit Build.

Amount of STP
25 from lvl 75 SAM
10 from Merit
5 from Rajas
8 from Hachiman Kote (Using that currently)
1 from C chain
2 from Pachipachio
1 from Brutal Earring

That is total of 52 right there.

Other 2 can be easily reached with Carbonara (+6)

or other options.

1 from E.Ring with 4 ACC
9 by replacing Hachiman Kote with Hachiman Kote+1
5 from Askar Korazin

Was wondering if those setup be practical with 5 hit build, and possibly beat Hagun?

I'd just like to point out that this weapon also has a larger delay than hagun(why you can more easily reach a 5 hit build with it) but that puts delay to 100 tp at
480*5=2400 vs 450*6=2700
the question is how much acc and or haste do you have to sacrifice and is it worth it, at the moment I'm counting a shit ton of lost acc you can make up for some of it at the cost of haste mostly as roadkill pointed out life belt over swift/speed, optical over turban(unless you have ace's) not to mention you are using hachiman in at least one spot you could probably have dusk or byakko I hope you wouldn't consider taking off.

say you lose 10% haste and to shrink this effect as much as possible we'll say no other haste other than hasso, as haste's effects improve exponentially. so hagun with 20% haste vs Pachipachio with 10% haste even if the new set has the same acc which would be very hard to reach. look at the delay to 100% tp
2400*.9=2160 vs 2700*.8=2160
they now have the same time to 100% tp, hagun should win the DPS due to getting in 6 hits in the same time now as pachipachio's 5 and ws due to the hagun tp bonus.

if this is going to be even close you can't afford to lose a significant amount of acc or anything close to 10% haste

I'd imagine a good setup would look something like:
Pachipachio Katana
Ace's Helm/W. Turban
PCC
Brutal
Busha
Askar Korazin/Usukane Haramaki
Dusk Gloves Sniper(+1)/Toreador + Rajas
Amemit+1/Forager's
Swift/Speed
Byakko's Haidate
Usukane Sunate

Total STP: 53-54, but this hinges entirely on obtaining Usukane Sunates which can be a bitch, depending on luck in salvage. However, I don't see the setup as being entirely weak accuracy wise and you can make up for the accuracy by changing from an Axe Grip (3 STR) or Pole Strap (2% DA) to Platinum Grip+1 (3 acc) or Mythril Grip+1 (2 STR, 2 acc). If you're lucky enough to get Usukane Haramaki too, you get 12 acc in the body to offset the -6 acc.

That being said, the only thing that matters from this setup to the standard is whether the increased DPS (Pashipachio is 10.25 DPS vs 10 of Hagun) and more frequent WS with higher base damage can make up for the constant 200%+ TP WS.

 

[Ghostscythe]

It's very easy to achieve 54 Store TP on SAM w/o loss of haste or acc. I don't know where people got the idea that mass amounts of haste and acc would have to be sacrificed to attain 5-hit build.

The simplest way:
Natural +35 (SAM75,5/5 Store TP merits)
Usukane Haramaki +6 (if you're worried about acc loss from no Haub) or Askar +5
Usukane Sune-ate +7 (has almost every stat a SAM could want on foot gear)
Rajas Ring +5
Brutal Earring +1
Pachipachio +2
Other gear non Store TP (Dusk/Askar gloves, Byakko's legs, Ace's/Walahra head, Amemet+1/Forager's back, Swift/Speed waist, Bushinomimi earring, Ultha Ring, Justice Torque)
Total Acquired:55 Total Needed:54

For WS you can use the same Store TP gear except swap out Usukane Sune-ate for Hachiman Sune-ate to retain 5-hit build. The only loss is no att on Usukane Haramaki but you regain it from the att+ on Pachipachio. I wouldn't recommend using full Hachiryu(like anyone has full Hachiryu anyways) because you sacrifice too much Haste.

Hagun is still going to come out on top for HNM and such but Pachipachio may be a real replacement for everything else. Only time (and parsing) will tell....

 

[Galadrios]

I was getting the idea from the gear described in the first post. The setup you are describing is good but it implies Usukane feet. Spalko did not include it in the list not having access to it (as me).

 

[hellstorm]

It's very easy to achieve 54 Store TP on SAM w/o loss of haste or acc. I don't know where people got the idea that mass amounts of haste and acc would have to be sacrificed to attain 5-hit build.

The simplest way:
Natural +35 (SAM75,5/5 Store TP merits)
Usukane Haramaki +6 (if you're worried about acc loss from no Haub) or Askar +5
Usukane Sune-ate +7 (has almost every stat a SAM could want on foot gear)
Rajas Ring +5
Brutal Earring +1
Pachipachio +2
Other gear non Store TP (Dusk/Askar gloves, Byakko's legs, Ace's/Walahra head, Amemet+1/Forager's back, Swift/Speed waist, Bushinomimi earring, Ultha Ring, Justice Torque)
Total Acquired:55 Total Needed:54

For WS you can use the same Store TP gear except swap out Usukane Sune-ate for Hachiman Sune-ate to retain 5-hit build. The only loss is no att on Usukane Haramaki but you regain it from the att+ on Pachipachio. I wouldn't recommend using full Hachiryu(like anyone has full Hachiryu anyways) because you sacrifice too much Haste.

Hagun is still going to come out on top for HNM and such but Pachipachio may be a real replacement for everything else. Only time (and parsing) will tell....

Sound like the supreme set up here. Though even if it i better with the gear you need it would not be fore everyone.

 

[Ghostscythe]

Sound like the supreme set up here. Though even if it i better with the gear you need it would not be fore everyone.

heh I didn't mean to say that gear is easy to obtain because it's not. I don't have any Usukane or Ace's myself but it's likely that any SAM with access to Tier 4 ZNM (Cerberus) is going to have most of that gear or be in the process of obtaining it.

The only other 5 hit build GK available is Futsuno Mitama with Store TP +8 included. Which makes achieving a 5 hit build even easier(only 11 Store TP from equip needed). However beating AV and acquiring the Sin of Indulgence is even harder to come by

By the way here's some pics of Pachipachio (and Hachiryu Haramaki) from Altanaviewer for those who haven't seen it.

Hawt.

 

[jamal]

That's even sexy on a Galka, nice.

 

[neophytal]

That's even sexy on a Galka, nice.

what jammerz said

 

[Zethren]

what jammerz said

jammerz is stoopit