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properganda is a powerful thing. Both side have a compeling argument. I do belive the goverment would do something like this but there are a few things missing. If this was a setup where is the passangers? Shaun is it really hard to belive that goverment would hold such videos. Hell look at jfk coverup, there was a safe full of the evidince that they keep locked up for 30 years so no one that was alive at that time would be around for it release; yet where that info go? If it was a "swordfish" black op operation, the president knew about it? dought it, let face it bush not smartish barrel in the shed. Plus his term is only so long. This would be done by someone lower pulling some strings. DoD maybe?(though i still stand he a better choice then kerry)


If you look at pass history there are similar so call conspericy theorys. assinasion of JFK and a sinking of a ship lead to the veinam war. there where many warning of the pearl harbor attack and many signs that they new it was coming ie; carrior being out at sea, sinking of a minisub several hour before, a message which was over looked. Was all these things just leaves in the wind that just happen to fall in place or goverment way to inspite the masses? Properganda is a powerful tool. Just look at religion biggest properganda tool of them all. You just speak the word of god and people would do anything.
No one will ever know about the event that happen on 9/11 and thoughs video will be destroyed or buried in some goverment facility. Then agian this could be all convicedince like the magic bullet theory.
 
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There's been so many conspiracy theorys throughout the ages. I swear that Alex Jones guy would have me believing his crap if it wasn't so farfetched and just plain out crazy.
 
Assumptions are funny...
 
we didn't go to the moon either, and the holocaust didn't happen...

everytime i heard crap like this i wish that those 6million jews that died, Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and the few thousand people that died on 9/11 could just beat you senseless
 
The thousands of people that died on 9/11 don't know how they died. All of the jews did and Neil Armstrong knows he was on the moon.

People have legit reasons for questioning this stuff. If the government would just tell the people what they want to know when they ask then this stuff wouldn't happen as much. If they never have anything to hide then they could just answer some damn questions.
 
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Notice the damage specificlaly on the first floor which perfectly matches the width of the wings.
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Thats the post-collapse. Pre-collapse, it was a single hole where the fuselage was. Which makes sense, if the plane had no engines.
The plane itself IS quite fimsy, but the engines are verry much not. They're a large piece of high strength steel designed to withstand the heat and pressure they produce. they're also extreemly heavy and dense, and would have left twin holes all the way through 4 rings of the pentagon, had the plane been going as fast as it did. They also would have been largly intact minus the large fanblades in the front.

WTC? those were definatly struck by planes, and we know exactly why they fell how they did, it makes perfect sense. The one that crashed on the way to the target,makes sense, because thats what we know a plane looks like when it smashes into flat ground. The pentagon strike is the part that doesnt quite add up.
 
Anyone who wants to just shout conspiracy theory and dismiss our words as bullshit while making personal stabs may as well quit posting right now.

There have been many 'Conspiracy Theories" that have been proven to be factual in the past.

From the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA and the U.S. Army operated a research program into mind control, codenamed MKULTRA. In this program, CIA agents gave LSD and other drugs to unwitting and unconsenting victims, in an effort to devise a working "truth serum" and/or mind-control drug. MKULTRA was uncovered by Presidential and Congressional research committees in 1975, and discontinued at that time. Many prominent writers and drug figures were first exposed to
LSD under this program, including Ken Kesey of the Merry Pranksters, Timothy Leary, Allen Ginsberg, Baba Ram Dass (Richard Alpert) and future 'Unabomber' Theodore Kaczynski. A source on this is the book "Acid Dreams" by Bruce Shalin and Martin A. Lee.

Operation Northwoods, a CIA plot to commit acts of apparent terrorism and blame them on Cuba to encourage support for a war, was long considered to be nothing but a conspiracy theory until the project's documents were declassified and published.

The FBI established and operated COINTELPRO, designed to monitor and sabotage the operations of social movements deemed "subversive" (See Prof. David Cunningham's book "There's Something Happening Here" U. California Press about it; and see his homepage: http://www.brandeis.edu/departments/sociology/cunningham.html

In 1972, Republican officials snuck in to the Watergate Hotel to spy on the Democratic National Headquarters. Although conspiracy theorists had suspicions from the start, t wasn't until 1974 that secret tape recordings from the White House linked President Nixon to the break-in, forcing his resignation.

The FBI's COunter INTELligence PROgram of 1956-1971 secretly investigated and disrupted dissident organizations in the US. Hoover's program investigated Martin Luther King Jr., the Black Panther Party, the CP USA, the K.K.K. and the Nation of Islam, among others. In 1971 the FBI office was broken into and files related to the program were leaked to the media, forcing Hoover to call the program off.

The Alabama clinical study tracked 400 poor syphilitic African-American sharecroppers over four decades. They were given false and sometimes dangerous "treatments" and intentionally kept ill despite treatments being avaliable. The U.S. Public Health Service prevented subjects who had been drafted from obtaining free treatment from the Army and by the end of the study, nearly 200 people had died from syphilis or related complications.

"Operation Azari" was a was CIA covert operation to overthrow the democratically chosen government of Iran and Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and restore the exiled Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi to the throne as a dictator. Agents posing as communists threatened religious leaders, while the US ambassador lied to the prime minister about alleged attacks on American nationals. Although CIA involvement was widely known, it wasn't until March 2000 that Secretary of State Madeleine Albright publically acknowledged the CIA's role.

This country is run by some evil people. You have to remember that. People ask questions and it's called a conspiracy and the people asking the questions get written off as Wackos.

Here is what happens when the people in power ask questions...

Disagree with me. Please. But don't just say "oh, yer wrong cause yer dumb."

I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

So the least you could do is say something worth defending.
 
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You say the pentagon "doesn't add up" but neither does your theory. You state a legitimate point, and are given a solid scientific counterpoint. You are asked legit questions, and ignore them.
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1. If it was not American Airlines flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, then where is the airplane and the 64 people who were aboard?
None of the conspiracy sites answers that question. Few of them even ask it.

2. If it was not American Airlines flight 77, then why do they have evidence of the bodies of known crew, passengers, and hijackers?
C. Christopher Kelley of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology says that the effort to identify bodies that ended on November 16, 2001, identified all but one of the victims of flight 77.

3. In response to the question of "Where is the Boeing," the answer is "in pieces."
There was plenty of evidence of the airplane at the site including debris from the plane, as mentioned above, the remains of the passengers, and the cockpit data and voice recorders. Associated Press Military Writer Robert Burns reported on September 13,2001, that members of congress who had visited the Pentagon crash site were told by rescue officials that much of the fuselage of the Boeing 757 remained intact inside the damaged Pentagon.

4. Radar tracked the plane toward the Pentagon.
Much has been made on some of the conspiracy sites that the transponder in the cockpit was turned off by the hijackers so it isn't clear what happened to the plane after that. The founder of TruthOrFiction.com, Rich Buhler, is a licensed commercial pilot and says the transponder being turned off doesn't mean the plane can no longer be seen on radar. The transponder is a device that not only makes the airplane more visible on a radar screen, but also gives the radar controller other information such as the altitude, speed, and sometimes the identity of the airliner. If the transponder is turned off, radar controllers can usually still see what is called the "primary target." That means there is a blip on the radar screen showing the location. According to www.airdisaster.com, flight 77's transponder was turned off shortly after departure from Dulles airport near Washington DC, but radar controllers could see the primary target flying directly toward the White House. Then the plane was seen to veer away from the White House and head for the Pentagon.
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right now at 5:06AM EST, watching morning news, they said they release a new video (same 5 second video that release on public) that show a nose of the plane that hit the pentagon lol, for what i see, it look like a missile then a nose of a plane to me, cuz if it was a plane, it should look like fatter and rounder, the one they show look small, pointyer, Missile like nose, long like a one of those steel cheap dildo head lol, will your opinion?
 
Personally, I can understand why people do not believe the government's story. I have no problems with people asking questions and being suspicious...suspicion is a very good thing in a democracy. However, I don't think the U.S. government played an active role in any of the events of Sept. 11. However, I do allow that the government may have played a passive role in some of the events whether it be through foreknowledge followed by inaction or if it were something similar to the events that took place in the months leading up to Pearl Harbor or even the U.S. entry into WWI. I don't accept the 9/11 Commision's report as the end-all-be-all of everything that happened, but I think 95% of the truth is in that report.

It's somewhat similar to the events that took place in my hometown, Oklahoma City in 1995. While it is not disputed that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols planned and carried out, it is a fairly common opinion in the OKC area that more people were at least minimally involved and the government may have bungled the investigation or purposely withheld information for various reasons. One of the more interesting aspects of the Murrah case is that the FBI "lost" several thousand pages of files, reports, affidavits, etc prior to the trial that the defense attorneys had requested to review.

I noticed somewhere earlier in the thread someone asked why video footage has not been released by the government from the hotel and gas station surveillance cameras. I myself wonder about that. However, on the morning of April 19th, 1995, KWTV-9 in Oklahoma just happened have a news chopper airborne and in the vicinity of downtown Oklahoma City prior to and during the moment of the blast. I just happend to be watching The Price Is Right in the library at the time (my freshman year in HS and my off hour of second period) when channel 9 immediately cut to their feed from Ranger 9. The video was so immediate and so raw that the floors were in the process of collapsing and you could see bodies falling with the debris. The video has never ever been shown publicly since and is now in the possession of the FBI. Apparently some of the video was shown during the sentencing phase of the trial of McVeigh by U.S. attorneys.
 
Vandoura said:
right now at 5:06AM EST, watching morning news, they said they release a new video (same 5 second video that release on public) that show a nose of the plane that hit the pentagon lol, for what i see, it look like a missile then a nose of a plane to me, cuz if it was a plane, it should look like fatter and rounder, the one they show look small, pointyer, Missile like nose, long like a one of those steel cheap dildo head lol, will your opinion?
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could be camera distortion? blurring effects? i think i remember them saying they had a frame of the actual plane in it, but I don't remember.
 
no, they showed more then 5 sec frame of the video, it only show the so call "nose of the plane" then frame after that is a flash then explodion. i'm saying that the nose of the plane is too small to be a boeing that hit the pentegon at 500+ mph
 
what i thought was funny when watching 911 eyewitness was you could hear the news reports as they happened on the radio in the background and they say they just got word a police chopper was hijacked and heading towards the pentagon, or washington. one of the two they said. dont remember which.
but...what ever happened with that? lol
 
Chasym said:
what i thought was funny when watching 911 eyewitness was you could hear the news reports as they happened on the radio in the background and they say they just got word a police chopper was hijacked and heading towards the pentagon, or washington. one of the two they said. dont remember which.
but...what ever happened with that? lol
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It's called rumors, and speculation. A report comes in that a helicopter is unaccounted for, or in a location that it shouldn't be, and it gets passed off as breaking news. I remember hearing a report of a guy that claimed he was on the roof of one of the towers and rode the collapse down, surviving it... Heard it once, as breaking news that morning, didn't hear a thing about it since.
 
Vandoura said:
no, they showed more then 5 sec frame of the video, it only show the so call "nose of the plane" then frame after that is a flash then explodion. i'm saying that the nose of the plane is too small to be a boeing that hit the pentegon at 500+ mph
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Uh Vand, the plane was moving about 250mph. Some of the explosion went into the building unlike the video you showed of a fighter jet crashing into a cement wall, this wasn't a cement wall that reflected everything outward. What new video are you talking about? I have seen nothing on the major outlets and all the conspiracy sites are still showing the same 3-5 frames that don't show anything but the explosion.

If anyone is going to argue it wasn't the boeing that hit the pentagon, their theory needs to answer the 4 questions I posted and Stouter quoted again.
 
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Marajade said:
Thats the post-collapse. Pre-collapse, it was a single hole where the fuselage was. Which makes sense, if the plane had no engines.
The plane itself IS quite fimsy, but the engines are verry much not. They're a large piece of high strength steel designed to withstand the heat and pressure they produce. they're also extreemly heavy and dense, and would have left twin holes all the way through 4 rings of the pentagon, had the plane been going as fast as it did. They also would have been largly intact minus the large fanblades in the front.

WTC? those were definatly struck by planes, and we know exactly why they fell how they did, it makes perfect sense. The one that crashed on the way to the target,makes sense, because thats what we know a plane looks like when it smashes into flat ground. The pentagon strike is the part that doesnt quite add up.
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my guess is since the plane was headed downwards anyways, so the engines were driven into the ground. if you look closely towards ground level, you can see where the wings hit the pentagon.
 
Stouter said:
It's called rumors, and speculation. A report comes in that a helicopter is unaccounted for, or in a location that it shouldn't be, and it gets passed off as breaking news. I remember hearing a report of a guy that claimed he was on the roof of one of the towers and rode the collapse down, surviving it... Heard it once, as breaking news that morning, didn't hear a thing about it since.
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i remember that too, they later had the guy admitting it was a lie, there were a few other stories like a woman who was on her cell phone with her husband who was trapped under the rubble and was on the phone with him a couple times in 2 days later she said she lied cause she did it hoping it would get them to work faster to find him...
 
In response to Bush's reaction at the school on 9/11 from bowlingfortruth.com
Christopher Hitchens notes:

More interesting is the moment where Bush is shown frozen on his chair at the infant school in Florida, looking stunned and useless for seven whole minutes after the news of the second plane on 9/11. Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup. This is the line taken by Gore Vidal and by a scandalous recent book that also revives the charge of FDR's collusion over Pearl Harbor. At least Moore's film should put the shameful purveyors of that last theory back in their paranoid box.
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Really it wouldn't have made any difference. Yes, he is an important person. However, our government functions and reacts without the President. The president is a diplomat, policy maker, and figure head. He isn't an emergency response coordinator (would you even want him doing that? :shok:). Like the quote says, we would likely be more concerned if he jumped and ran off unphazed within seconds of hearing it. He's there to give comforting speechs and pick a long term response. The immidiate was already being handled and really not his place to micro manage.
 
Hey, don't forget to go see The Da Vinci Code this weekend so you can have another silly conspiracy theory to talk about as if it were (pardon the pun) gospel.
 
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