9/11 staged by the US evidence video

[Rones]

Except it is not just the government agreeing with what happened. Even our news media that loves anything to get ratings agrees with what happened. Combine that with all the independent sites and you have a group I trust. If it was only the government, sure I would question. However, its not.

 

[Chasym]

You are misreading and taking comments out of context. Basic facts from reliable news sources can be easily googled and relied on. However, you shouldn't believe the conspiracy sites heavy on theory with few facts (or lots of made up facts).

and im supposed to believe the media anymore? just because they have a website their information is correct right?
This popular trustworthy media station interviewed the wrong guy for something he had nothing to do with and thought it was the right guy.
http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/28407/BBC_Interview_Wrong_Guy.html?autoplay=true
This citys government made up a story that the media broadcast as a bottle thrown causing riots, and they used that as their story over and over
then this footage, the actual police footage of that day came up and it shows that the story on the news was a lie
http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/12942/Quite_A_Chilling_Video
Believe the media because they have a website? when ive personally expierienced their way of twisting stories and making up stuff? I think not.

No, not the explosions weren't. That video tries to make it look like that. However we have many videos of closer up in addition to the thousands on the ground who saw there were no explosions. Missle hits are very easy to see. This relates back to my statements about helicopters. Stop saying it was missles unless you can answer my previous counter to this. Repeating the same argument over and over is meaningless if you can't defend it.

Two possible situations here. 1. There were no explosions or helicopters firing missles. 2. Helicopters shot the tower with missles in broad daylight and only this man with a film over a mile away saw it and all the world's media is intentionally passing up the chance to report this. Don't forget the thousands of eye witnesses who are in on it too.

Out of these two possible you choose number two as most logical?

like the media, you keep seeming to ignore what i say and make up what you want to hear. i have said countless times again and again that i never said i believe the missile theory. ill state it again. but im sure youll keep going with the idea that i do. if i say i dont support that theory multiple times, that means i dont. Not that i do because you say i do.
I didnt present the video that had the "so called missiles" in it, you did.

Confiscated to prevent tampering. What is there has been or is being released through the freedom of information act. Anything else like didn't exist. How hard is to claim the government took your security camera film and accuse them of hiding it when it actually never existed to begin with?

Well you want us to not believe it when they personally say they have 84 videos they wont release?
And when the debris comes out that was confiscated, people ask, where is the items carried away in these pictures? why dont they answer that?

Questions that have been answered and proven over and over again. Ignoring facts don't make them cease to exist. The facts have always been there, they just don't choose to include them in their theories.

And the possibility they would lie, as they have many times. (im not phonetapping america!! i swear!!....wait, ok i lied im doing it for your safety! so that makes it ok!)
doesnt help them out when their answers sound like well planned cover up BS.

It was undergoing renovations for a lot more than two days. In addition there were still people working there, or did you forget how many workers died in the crash at the pentagon? That's the first I've heard of someone claiming explosives planted at the pentagon. What are you basing this on? The total lack of other explosions there?

How, after all this, you can still believe any of the conspiracy theories I don't understand.

Not the pentagon homie, The towers had some time of being shut down for 2 days for rennovations or some crap. I never said anything about explosions at the pentagon, now would i. So what am i basing it on? your imagination apparently.

how after everything i said, when i specifically said i dont believe most of the theories is beyond me, since i clearly stated it. i stated what i believe and wonder, and nothin i seen has come out to put that out of wonder.
im just gonna ask to stop puttin words in my mouth that i clearly stated the opposite of.
I dont believe the missile theory or half the conspiracy theories of those videos, for the last time.

 

[Rones]

and im supposed to believe the media anymore? just because they have a website their information is correct right?

*sigh* When you have multiple, indepedent news medias all reporting studies by indepedent scientific research groups, you can feel it is pretty reliable. Of course nothing is 100% certain, but there are some you can be fairly certain of given enough evidence and respectubl sources.

There is a difference between dismissing a conspiracy site full of lies and the news report from major media outlets that make a special effort of being reliable and protecting their image. I speak a lot of bad things about the major media, but the information is usually pretty reliable.

i have said countless times again and again that i never said i believe the missile theory.

If you don't believe or at least support it why did you post these:

for one i never said anything about missiles being fired, but if you ask why you cant see it on the live footage. 9/11 eyewitness was filmed from the completley opposite side of the buildings from the television angle. Theres certainly things the live footage couldnt have caught if they hadnt of filmed from that side. But as its been stated before, much of the footage that appeared on live television, never re aired on the repeat plays and for some reason "disappeared". so theres no way unless people, like myself taped it themselves and go back to day 1 footage.maybe it did show up, and they just werent allowed to show it again?

Here you defend the theory by saying you just couldn't see it.

The explosions were eye witnessed coming from the lower part of the building. And just because there was no videos to prove it, they were unacknowledged.
Tho you can clearly hear them before the towers collapse in just about every video, and strangley when watching any part of it on the news or a biography channel thing, The moments you hear explosions in eyewitness videos, are skipped over. Why is that?

Again, this statement is either supporting the planted explosives or helicopters with missle theory.

They say the media and government dont acknowledge the other explosions and smoke coming from the base of the towers after each explosion because there was no video footage. But clearly in that footage, after each explosion you see clouds of smoke rising from the base.

Older but another example of where you agreed.

If you don't support or believe something, stop repeating it!

I didnt present the video that had the "so called missiles" in it, you did.

Uhm that's mine line that there were no missles. Anyway, I posted it because it had been posted in the old threads and Shaunessy was looking for it. I just saved him some time and effort.

And when the debris comes out that was confiscated, people ask, where is the items carried away in these pictures? why dont they answer that?

What are you talking about? Maybe this will clear your confusion about the cleanup.

And the possibility they would lie, as they have many times. (im not phonetapping america!! i swear!!....wait, ok i lied im doing it for your safety! so that makes it ok!)
doesnt help them out when their answers sound like well planned cover up BS.

So if its logical and reasonable, it sounds like well planned cover up? The stuff the government lies about is the stuff that doesn't happen live on tv in front of millions of people.

Not the pentagon homie, The towers had some time of being shut down for 2 days for rennovations or some crap. I never said anything about explosions at the pentagon, now would i. So what am i basing it on? your imagination apparently.

I can find nothing stating their were renovations in the building the day before. I assumed be renovations you were refering to the pentagon which was undergoing renovations. You did not specify, so don't blame me for misreading. Once again, for explosives to have been planted they would have had wires strewn throughout the building and it couldn't have been set up in two days nor could it have done without being seen even with less people around (if that has any truth). Don't forget the thousands of people at the base who would have seen these explosions going off. I also point out the video I posted of demolitions which shows what an actual demolition by explosive looks like which doesn't match the world trade center.

I dont believe the missile theory or half the conspiracy theories of those videos, for the last time.

Then stop posting and defending them. I'm only responding to what you write. If you don't repeat and word your post in a defensive form of them, I wouldn't think you believed them.

 

[Chasym]

not defending them, You tell people that the video specifically says it was missiles, when it NEVER says or implies what they were. The guy even says to HIM it looked like they were lowering ropes. so why does disproving that the video never says that add up to defending it to you? just cause you were wrong?
Im saying dont put words in peoples mouth or say something was there that wasnt, so people who dont watch the video think its filled with bs like that.

ill say it again since the bolded text evades your eyes.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE MISSILE THEORY.
quit implying that i do.
Yeah, i believe the planted explosions theory, and that the points in time where it would go off has been cut from the live tv replays.
Nowhere have i said that it references missiles.

i will post in defensive form when people like you whom seem to be on the medias dick want to act just like them and put words in my mouth.
You cant see the differnce between defending and cleaing up false statements apparently.

 

[masterorion]

"The explosions were eye witnessed coming from the lower part of the building. And just because there was no videos to prove it, they were unacknowledged."

i dont know who this quote was from, but there is a logical explanation for it.
the explosion from the plan crash will force air and debris any way possible. in, you, up, down, etc. it is possible for it to force an enormous amount of air down the elevator shaft which will reach the ground floor or make the elevator detach and crash to teh bottom lvl. all the pressure coming down will cause the bottom floor to blow out the windows/debris. this is scientifically proven in the popular mechanics article i posted quite a few pages ago.

 

[masterorion]

Yeah, i believe the planted explosions theory, and that the points in time where it would go off has been cut from the live tv replays.
Nowhere have i said that it references missiles.

actually, the vid posted at the very very beginning of this whole post, circles the said to be "explosions" on the towers. they werent cut out. however, the "flashes" that are seen could be nothing more than a break in the structure during the collapse

 

[Chasym]

"The explosions were eye witnessed coming from the lower part of the building. And just because there was no videos to prove it, they were unacknowledged."

i dont know who this quote was from, but there is a logical explanation for it.
the explosion from the plan crash will force air and debris any way possible. in, you, up, down, etc. it is possible for it to force an enormous amount of air down the elevator shaft which will reach the ground floor or make the elevator detach and crash to teh bottom lvl. all the pressure coming down will cause the bottom floor to blow out the windows/debris. this is scientifically proven in the popular mechanics article i posted quite a few pages ago.

yep read that article, But then you read and watch the "science" of how the building was constructed, and they prove that wrong. Because they supposedly shot force and flames down the elevator shaft, that was proven wrong when the elevator shafts were made to be air tight.
Meaning that force wouldnt have made it down past a single floor.

 

[Chasym]

actually, the vid posted at the very very beginning of this whole post, circles the said to be "explosions" on the towers. they werent cut out. however, the "flashes" that are seen could be nothing more than a break in the structure during the collapse

we were speaking of the 9/11 eyewitness video that shows theflashes of light at the top of the towers at the exact points an helicopter is flying before it collapsed. this is what is being referred to as the missile theory. not the puffs of smoke as it collapses in the first video.

 

[masterorion]

yep read that article, But then you read and watch the "science" of how the building was constructed, and they prove that wrong. Because they supposedly shot force and flames down the elevator shaft, that was proven wrong when the elevator shafts were made to be air tight.
Meaning that force wouldnt have made it down past a single floor.

so, your saying the plane didnt go into the tower enough to penetrate the elevator shaft?...i think not. it went in one side and blew out the other. i think its a perfectly good excuse to why the bottom lvl was blown out. of it penetrated through the elevator shaft, which im sure it did, that gave it an entrance to force air into, all it needs is an exit

 

[masterorion]

we were speaking of the 9/11 eyewitness video that shows theflashes of light at the top of the towers at the exact points an helicopter is flying before it collapsed. this is what is being referred to as the missile theory. not the puffs of smoke as it collapses in the first video.

no, the flashes im referring to were circled by the editor, well below the plumes of smoke.

 

[Chasym]

yeah it penetrated it on that level it certainly didnt penetrate it all the way down, Air tight means the entire shaft all the way down.
breaking at one point doesnt open up everything below it too, especially not past the Reinforced areas of the building where its even tighter locked.

 

[masterorion]

yeah it penetrated it on that level it certainly didnt penetrate it all the way down, Air tight means the entire shaft all the way down.
breaking at one point doesnt open up everything below it too, especially not past the Reinforced areas of the building where its even tighter locked.

i know it means air tight all the way down. how else would it travel all the way down. if the elevator is sheared at one point, that is its entrance. from there, the airflow goes down the shaft until it can escape. now if anything has a seam in it, such as an elevator door, its safe to say its not 100% airtight. now, i would say its safe to assume that it will hold a great deal of air from passing through it, but it wont hold that much pressure.the reason why it would blow out at the bottom is, because there is no where else to expand to except out. it wont blow the doors open higher in the tower because there is still space to expand to the lower lvls.

 

[Darkstar]

just to straighten something out. the planes were Boeing 757s, not Boing 747.

 

[Rones]

when it NEVER says or implies what they were.

Not implied? How do you reason that one? He does all but spell it to the people by questioning whether the helicopters are rescue, pointing to flashes, smoke, booms, etc. That is an extremely weak defence.

Im saying dont put words in peoples mouth or say something was there that wasnt, so people who dont watch the video think its filled with bs like that.

How am I putting words in your mouth when I'm quoting exactly what you wrote? I go to great lengths to not do that.

Yeah, i believe the planted explosions theory, and that the points in time where it would go off has been cut from the live tv replays.

Live tv broadcasts were recorded the day of across the country and then posted on the internet. Its not as if these clear, close films vanished and are unfindable. Heck, we all saw it live. There were no explosives being set off inside the tower.

i will post in defensive form when people like you whom seem to be on the medias dick want to act just like them and put words in my mouth.
You cant see the differnce between defending and cleaing up false statements apparently.

Always feels good when someone admits defeat in a discussion by accusing the other of riding someone's dick. What's even funnier is you claim to be doing the exact same thing I am attempting to do. Clear up false statements. I believe in science and engineering. You are pushing conspiracy theories that rely on fuzzy film and hand waving phsyics. Who is pushing false statements?

Because they supposedly shot force and flames down the elevator shaft, that was proven wrong when the elevator shafts were made to be air tight.

And what happens when you add pressure to an air tight space? Think of a balloon. Too much pressure on one side, causes it to blow out the other (or where ever the weakest point is).

 

[masterorion]

And what happens when you add pressure to an air tight space? Think of a balloon. Too much pressure on one side, causes it to blow out the other (or where ever the weakest point is).

the weakest point is going to be the bottom because the air has no where else to expand to except out

 

[Chasym]

and again you put words in my mouth, when i stated before my thoughts and questions dont come from these videos.
i said the videos raise questions, but they never raised anything that i hadnt already thought before.
admit defeat? because i dont like when people accuse me of saying something i didnt?
not pushing anything. not once in here have i come out and said, YOU GOTTA READ THIS!
or watch this! and after that you gotta believe it because just cause some people say it its gotta be true!
your trying to force your side of beliefs on people that refuse to believe it.
i never once sat here and tried to force what i thought on anyone.
you quote me all you want, if you cant read and interpret what i said correctly, you should sit this thread out and take a breather cause your just sounding more and more like an asshole who just doesnt want his word to look any less intelligent.

 

[Torqameda]

and again you put words in my mouth, when i stated before my thoughts and questions dont come from these videos.
i said the videos raise questions, but they never raised anything that i hadnt already thought before.
admit defeat? because i dont like when people accuse me of saying something i didnt?
not pushing anything. not once in here have i come out and said, YOU GOTTA READ THIS!
or watch this! and after that you gotta believe it because just cause some people say it its gotta be true!
your trying to force your side of beliefs on people that refuse to believe it.
i never once sat here and tried to force what i thought on anyone.
you quote me all you want, if you cant read and interpret what i said correctly, you should sit this thread out and take a breather cause your just sounding more and more like an asshole who just doesnt want his word to look any less intelligent.

I s'pose Chasym is right, but everyone interpret things differently. It's just a matter of opinion and compiled evidence on both sides. Quite frankly, I doubt we will ever know the full truth, for there is extreme doubt in the fact of the conspiracies, but there are also doubts the the "alleged" truth... so it's a two-sided topic, and there may be no real correct answer

 

[Direwolf]

5. Why didn't any of the Helicopters attempt to rescue people from the top of the building as they flew around?

To that point. I have ridden in helicopters a couple of times before. Those where news helicopters not rescue copters. First off they are not qualified to deal with panicking people. People who are panicking are DANGEROUS, we are talking a rabid dog dangerous. Ever hear of the term mob mentality? Those people where not qualified for dealing with them.

Not to mention the point that helicpoters need to be carefuly set to a certain wheight limit. They are delicate machines, if you try to pile people in them they are going to go down.

I like Rone's links. They go a long way to debunk all the crazies out there who have little or no credentials other then what they dug up on the internet. I think this argument is going nowhere fast and that is hardly suprising. I find thought that people do not like proof. Look at what happened to Galelio, same deal, proof means nothing to those who do not want to believe it.

 

[Psylentcuda]

holy fuck, I've herd some of the most idiotic comments EVER in this thread. Shit from "Osama is good, Bush is evil" to "the government wants us all dead so they can take over the world." Why the hell, when anything happens does there have to be a conspiracy and a cover-up. People dont like Bush, that's a fact. So the left wing anarchists produce this propoganda horse shit in order to try to decrease his power in the United States. Look at what it's done so far, we can't work United because people are too busy throwing out all their ideas of why they don't like Bush.

Talk to the soldiers who have been to Iraq or Afghanistan, there's a reason 9 out of 10 will tell you "Yeah the U.S.A. is doing something worthwile over there." But the only thing the general public sees is roadside bomb, Iraqi's killed, soldiers lost, blah blah blah. The media will take anything people are interested in, and turn it to feul their own beliefs. Case and point, Michael Moore. He makes a movie about how Bush is horrid. He then goes on The O'Riely Factor, is made a fool, and has a counter movie produced by the right wing that makes him movie look like a joke. Somehow people still believe it.

 

[masterorion]

holy fuck, I've herd some of the most idiotic comments EVER in this thread. Shit from "Osama is good, Bush is evil" to "the government wants us all dead so they can take over the world." Why the hell, when anything happens does there have to be a conspiracy and a cover-up. People dont like Bush, that's a fact. So the left wing anarchists produce this propoganda horse shit in order to try to decrease his power in the United States. Look at what it's done so far, we can't work United because people are too busy throwing out all their ideas of why they don't like Bush.

Talk to the soldiers who have been to Iraq or Afghanistan, there's a reason 9 out of 10 will tell you "Yeah the U.S.A. is doing something worthwile over there." But the only thing the general public sees is roadside bomb, Iraqi's killed, soldiers lost, blah blah blah. The media will take anything people are interested in, and turn it to feul their own beliefs. Case and point, Michael Moore. He makes a movie about how Bush is horrid. He then goes on The O'Riely Factor, is made a fool, and has a counter movie produced by the right wing that makes him movie look like a joke. Somehow people still believe it.

back when the micheal moore vid was still new, a friend of mine saw it. i wont watch it because i think the guy is an idiot. but i did ask them what it was about and what some of moores' ideas were in that movie. needless to say, the 4-5 things that my friend stated that were in the video, i came up with a reason for without hesitation or having to think about the answer. its been a while, so i dont even recall anything about the movie

moore is one of those people that believes things against the government and dislikes the person in office. so, he comes up with things he believes are correct or things he wants people to believe without having full truth to it.