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I've been becoming really angry with the market lately... and not because it's not putting out for me just because it's making people bitter towards the crafters when it's really the fault of the people who sell the materials to make certain items. My first craft was cooking, which I enjoyed for the time I had it at 95... but it wasn't enormous profit. In fact, it usually was break even at best, but at the time large amounts of money weren't needed.
As the game progressed and markets got inflated due to gil selling, cooking really did not cut it anymore... at least then it didn't, because at the time people only wanted mithkabobs and pies... the cook had little to no other options to look at for money... maybe insect paste for fishing or the occasional juice, but we lacked a variety market... and in that I became bored with the craft. Now that SE added and messed with several food recipes, it looks like I missed out on a great revolution that probably saved Cooking as a craft for profit... as everyone knows, consumables are always being sold because they are depleting themselves. Items such as equipment, once made, are distributed within the loop of players. Players use the item, and then sell them when they're done. The item never disappears, like a mithkabob would after use. How many more sniper rings can we crafters make before everyone has one already? Where do they all go at some point? Are there really that many characters on Quetzalcoatl that we can sell over 15-20 rings a day and still have major demand?
This isn't my gripe, so much as is the constant nagging I get from both friends and strangers that I'm 'greedy' because I don't give everyone a painful discount, and I mean absolutely atrocious discount that would basically be like me BUYING the damned thing for them... and because of that it's my fault the economy is fucked up. This is something I think needs to be set straight. I'm more than willing to be charitable and try to help someone out. When I do commission synthing I only ask 1/2 the profit I'd make off the +1 myself... what is bad about that!? You want an Amemit +1, is it so much to ask 250k if a +1 pops out? If it only takes 1 skin for your mantle, you just paid 450 fucking k for an amemit +1!
IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH!? Am I supposed to be taking my hard earned crafting levels, which cost ME my entire game savings since I started to make YOU rich? I'm lucky if I even profit off my own craft, in most of the time I'm blowing up shit and losing money rather than making it!
I think what made me bitter was people taking my goodwill (I never used to charge for synths) and then using my crafting to make themselves money. I lie not... when I made Scoobor an Amemit+1, he was my first commission work. He bought 1 skin (1 skin?) and it HQ'ed. I didn't ask for anything, because I was certain he wanted to use it and I felt good that I saved someone money because they took the risk. So I'm browsing the AH the next morning and checking on Amemit sales history to see if my competitoin is making any progress or what I might have missed... what do I see?
I was fucking FURIOUS! Not only did he blatantly go and sell something I made out of charity, but at a profit to himself! He said he was "drunk" when he sold it -my ass-... or that he was quitting... great... well you're welcome because I could have bought that same skin and that could have been my profit instead!!
The very next day someone I considered a friend asked me to HQ him something (else) which was within reasonable possibility. I found out only a few hours later he sold them off on the AH for profit... W T F!? At this point I think I said -fuck it- and no longer felt charitable or generous... so this is why I seem bitter about letting people use me to craft things... and I don't think its too much to ask commission on something that obviously is saving YOU the money. If I make something for someone that doesn't sell at a profit, I don't charge! Cause that'd be a waste. But you know, I made my bud U7 a nomad+1 today and asked for 150k for it... that's a 500k mantle he got for 210k (150k + traveller mantle cost) is that me being greedy!?
The other thing people nag me about is that I sell shit too expensive. Well gee, you camp an NM, I buy his drops on a regular basis for a price I'm comfortable with, and so do other crafters... one day you think "I WANT MORE MONEYZ!" and jack it up another 100k... well look at it this way people... you don't fucking hurt the crafters by jacking your synth materials up, you only make people angry at US for your greed. Profit margin for an Amemit Mantle goes like this.
Skin x 5 = value of Amemit +1
Which means, 1 HQ in 5 tries is break even or a tiny loss on average.
5 NQ in a row is a major hit to the wallet you see... and all in all unless we get really realy lucky we don't see a major profit out of it. We're basically gambling on these and hoping for that fluke 2/5 which will make a sizeable profit.
So... when skins were 160k, the +1 was 800k... 160k x 5... get it? Got it? Good. Follow along kids. You jacked the price of skins to 200k. Suddenly HQ amemit mantles jump to 1mil... I got 2 tells about it the day after i sold those telling me to stop being a greedy fag and keep the price down... FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! It's bad enough i'm gambling my own money here to bring you what you want, should I make it even harder on myself to do this!? Are crafters not allowed to make money for the gil they invest in their craft!? I'm still 18mil in deficit here that needs to be made up, you know how MANY HQ synths and the like it will take me to come back to what I had before that? Should I not be able to take that hard earned number I blew so much money on and be able to make it back? Or do I have to sit and camp NMs and HNMs till my eyes bleed and that be the only way to make money in this game for me?
Well as it stands, you greedy campers have jacked these skins to 300k... again, I want everyone to stop harassing the crafters about it and point fingers at the campers who want more money for their crap. After all is said and done, we don't make anything extra off it, just you money hungry slobs who sit around a stupid lizard spawn for several hours... you slobs who turn friends into foes over a stupid HNM, you slobs who MPK each other just because you were beaten to the claim, you slobs who use automatons and bots to claim things while you're AFK...
Man... none of this is directed to anyone in particular... but you know, just lay the fuck off the crafters please, and remember that in most cases, those equips you're wearing often took money OUT of our pockets and into yours.
As the game progressed and markets got inflated due to gil selling, cooking really did not cut it anymore... at least then it didn't, because at the time people only wanted mithkabobs and pies... the cook had little to no other options to look at for money... maybe insect paste for fishing or the occasional juice, but we lacked a variety market... and in that I became bored with the craft. Now that SE added and messed with several food recipes, it looks like I missed out on a great revolution that probably saved Cooking as a craft for profit... as everyone knows, consumables are always being sold because they are depleting themselves. Items such as equipment, once made, are distributed within the loop of players. Players use the item, and then sell them when they're done. The item never disappears, like a mithkabob would after use. How many more sniper rings can we crafters make before everyone has one already? Where do they all go at some point? Are there really that many characters on Quetzalcoatl that we can sell over 15-20 rings a day and still have major demand?
This isn't my gripe, so much as is the constant nagging I get from both friends and strangers that I'm 'greedy' because I don't give everyone a painful discount, and I mean absolutely atrocious discount that would basically be like me BUYING the damned thing for them... and because of that it's my fault the economy is fucked up. This is something I think needs to be set straight. I'm more than willing to be charitable and try to help someone out. When I do commission synthing I only ask 1/2 the profit I'd make off the +1 myself... what is bad about that!? You want an Amemit +1, is it so much to ask 250k if a +1 pops out? If it only takes 1 skin for your mantle, you just paid 450 fucking k for an amemit +1!
IS THAT NOT GOOD ENOUGH!? Am I supposed to be taking my hard earned crafting levels, which cost ME my entire game savings since I started to make YOU rich? I'm lucky if I even profit off my own craft, in most of the time I'm blowing up shit and losing money rather than making it!
I think what made me bitter was people taking my goodwill (I never used to charge for synths) and then using my crafting to make themselves money. I lie not... when I made Scoobor an Amemit+1, he was my first commission work. He bought 1 skin (1 skin?) and it HQ'ed. I didn't ask for anything, because I was certain he wanted to use it and I felt good that I saved someone money because they took the risk. So I'm browsing the AH the next morning and checking on Amemit sales history to see if my competitoin is making any progress or what I might have missed... what do I see?
I was fucking FURIOUS! Not only did he blatantly go and sell something I made out of charity, but at a profit to himself! He said he was "drunk" when he sold it -my ass-... or that he was quitting... great... well you're welcome because I could have bought that same skin and that could have been my profit instead!!
The very next day someone I considered a friend asked me to HQ him something (else) which was within reasonable possibility. I found out only a few hours later he sold them off on the AH for profit... W T F!? At this point I think I said -fuck it- and no longer felt charitable or generous... so this is why I seem bitter about letting people use me to craft things... and I don't think its too much to ask commission on something that obviously is saving YOU the money. If I make something for someone that doesn't sell at a profit, I don't charge! Cause that'd be a waste. But you know, I made my bud U7 a nomad+1 today and asked for 150k for it... that's a 500k mantle he got for 210k (150k + traveller mantle cost) is that me being greedy!?
The other thing people nag me about is that I sell shit too expensive. Well gee, you camp an NM, I buy his drops on a regular basis for a price I'm comfortable with, and so do other crafters... one day you think "I WANT MORE MONEYZ!" and jack it up another 100k... well look at it this way people... you don't fucking hurt the crafters by jacking your synth materials up, you only make people angry at US for your greed. Profit margin for an Amemit Mantle goes like this.
Skin x 5 = value of Amemit +1
Which means, 1 HQ in 5 tries is break even or a tiny loss on average.
5 NQ in a row is a major hit to the wallet you see... and all in all unless we get really realy lucky we don't see a major profit out of it. We're basically gambling on these and hoping for that fluke 2/5 which will make a sizeable profit.
So... when skins were 160k, the +1 was 800k... 160k x 5... get it? Got it? Good. Follow along kids. You jacked the price of skins to 200k. Suddenly HQ amemit mantles jump to 1mil... I got 2 tells about it the day after i sold those telling me to stop being a greedy fag and keep the price down... FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!! It's bad enough i'm gambling my own money here to bring you what you want, should I make it even harder on myself to do this!? Are crafters not allowed to make money for the gil they invest in their craft!? I'm still 18mil in deficit here that needs to be made up, you know how MANY HQ synths and the like it will take me to come back to what I had before that? Should I not be able to take that hard earned number I blew so much money on and be able to make it back? Or do I have to sit and camp NMs and HNMs till my eyes bleed and that be the only way to make money in this game for me?
Well as it stands, you greedy campers have jacked these skins to 300k... again, I want everyone to stop harassing the crafters about it and point fingers at the campers who want more money for their crap. After all is said and done, we don't make anything extra off it, just you money hungry slobs who sit around a stupid lizard spawn for several hours... you slobs who turn friends into foes over a stupid HNM, you slobs who MPK each other just because you were beaten to the claim, you slobs who use automatons and bots to claim things while you're AFK...
Man... none of this is directed to anyone in particular... but you know, just lay the fuck off the crafters please, and remember that in most cases, those equips you're wearing often took money OUT of our pockets and into yours.
