I realize most people are just going to say tl;dr, but if you've posted in this thread, you should at least look for your name in my post as I came in late and disagree with most everything that has been said here so far and responded to most people.
He is serving this country in the Armed forces.
His child was born in America, making him an American Citezen.
He and his wife came here when they were children.
They are only here because their family brought them here, very much like EVERYONE in this country that isn't a Native American. You are only here because of the actions of your ancestors.
If you oppose the US government, good for you. It's one of the most patriotic things you can do. The original "patriots" of America were Americans that Opposed their government and fought to change things for the better.
Ryujin: This country is not crappy. This is the one of the greatest countries in the world. The number one reason? Because you are allowed to say it's crappy with no need to worry about getting your head chopped off. You'll be a lot happier if when you realize that the country is one of the greatest and the people that lead it right now are assholes.
Antor: The US government by no means makes the US what it is. The government does not represent the people anymore, and they haven't for a long time. Someone wants to enjoy the right to say what they think and you tell them to get out. That's about as unamerican as it gets. Do you know why the 2nd amendment is so important? So we will have the tools to revolt if we need to do so. The people that set up our government knew that governing bodies can be crooked no matter how many checks and balances you have. They thought that one day, America might need to overthrow the government. If/when that day comes, the task will be much easier for us than it was for our ancestors.
They knew it was the people that made the country and not the government. That is why they left a certain amount of power in the hands of the people.
She should have thought about becoming legal seven years ago when she became an adult.
Strangly enough, that is exactly what they are doing now. Becoming legal.
Uzor: You have a definitive understanding or our country and what it means to be patriotic.
If he's a US soldier, he has to be a citizen or naturalized. If he somehow got through the system unnoticed (unfuckinglikely), "yay, he's defending American freedom", but he's also leeching:
- Tax dollars that pay for his medical care entirely,
- A housing alliance or free housing if he lives on a base,
- A moderate paycheck that, again, is paid for by OUR tax dollars
- Tax-free shopping and grocery
You tell me how that is fair?
He and his family are afforded the same rights as everyone else who risks their life in service of this country, that is how it's fair.
(Billy Graham has been the spiritual advisor to every president since Eisenhower I think?)
Jesse Jackson was Clinton's Spiritual Advisor, and JFK was a Roman Catholic.
Do your part. Vote, organize peaceful assemblies, and voice your opinion. Shit, write your Florida Congressmen.
I think he's doing just that.
You can't like a country of a government you hate. That makes no god damned sense at all. That doesn't necessarily mean you hate the people who live there. It just means you don't like the country. Our laws and government is what makes this country the US. The way of life in the US is centered around that one thing. You knock down the pillar that holds a platform up then you knock down the whole thing.
You act like the government doesn't ever change when in fact, it does. Would you say you can't like FFXI if you don't like the GMs? You live in south carolina, did you like Strom Thurmond and agree with everything he said and did? If not, does that mean you hate your state and therefor the United States? No, it doesn't. He is gone and a new senator has been put in his place because the government is forever changing. It is by no means unpatriotic to dislike the elected officials of your city/county/district/state/country.
I loathe parts of our government and truely love the land I live in. If you can't grasp that, that isn't my fault, and it isn't my problem.
Jamal said:
There's one difference though, the deportation is directly a result of neglect to follow the proper immigration laws, whereas a father of a terminally ill child holds no responsibility to being the cause of the families problems with the exception of a genetic mutation that can't be controlled. Being military personnel doesn't put you above the law of the land. Just as he can't come home and rob a bank, he also is subject to the immigration laws of the land.
I might agree with you on this if both parents were adults when they came here, but that isn't the case. It is the fault of their parents. Not to mention they have a child that was born here and being deported because of what his grandparents didn't do.
Being in the military does not put you above the laws of the land, but it does show you care about this country.
Sharpe said:
I love my nation, however I can't stand our government. We have beautiful countryside, friendly people, great food (fuck what the French etc say) and plenty of other stuff I love about Britain. Our government is all based on lies, corruption and spin though and I wouldn't piss on any of our parliament if they were on fire.
Yeah, but is sure is funny when I watch the house of commons/lords on tv. It's like American Congress with a 2 drink minimum.
This creation of this topic is entirely centered around whining. You really are dense.
True. If by whining, you mean voicing your opinion, and by dense, you mean he knows more about your country than you do.
Sharpe said:
If he's failed his bid for a permanent visa/citizenship (I don't really know what you need to be allowed to permanently reside in the US) then yes it's fair.
In removal proceedings (deportation) in front of an immigration judge, cancellation of removal is a form of relief that is available for certain long-time residents of the United States. It allows a person being faced with the threat of removal to obtain permanent residence if that person: (1) has been physically present in the U.S. for at least ten years, (2) has had good moral character during that period, (3) has not been convicted of certain crimes, and (4) can show that removal would result in exceptional and extremely unusual hardship to his or her US citizen/permanent resident spouse, children, or parent. This form of relief is only available when a person is served with a Notice to Appear (like a civil summons) to appear in the proceedings in the Immigration Court. Many persons have received their green cards in this way even though removal or deportation was looming.
So really and truely, these people aren't going to be deported. The news story just makes it look that way.
Uzor said:
Exactly. If someone says "What do you think of Turkey?"
I'd say, "Didn't they used to make a lot of furniture there?". Get it?
Antor said:
He has three real choices: 1) shut up and put up with it, 2) move somewhere he likes, or 3) do something about the situation (making a topic on QCDN about it isn't going to make your representative aware of the situation).
This is America, he can say whatever the hell he wants to about it, just like you. Ain't it grand?
Your intentions may not have been an insult but I surely saw it that way. I apologize for seeing it that way, but yeah, I definitely felt insulted by it.
That was the point. He used your logic, therefore you were insulted by your own logic. You say something to someone and that's fine, someone says the same to you and you get insulted.
Mistra said:
In all honesty, he's probably another one of those guys that joined just to have a job.
That is a very big assumption.
Darkdante said:
It's what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.
How does that work when you are trying to redefine "your country"?
