Active duty soldier. Family faces deportation.

There's a whole other bag of immigration issues I have a problem with. Not to be off topic, but here's a story-

I'm at Wal-Mart, buying Buddy some food and rawhide dental bones. I get to the counter, and mention to the woman behind it that the last bag of bones I bought smelled really bad inside, and that if one of these bags smelled the same way, I would like to return it. I then asked if that was possible.

She looks at me, cocks her head like my dog does, and says, "Que?"

...

Yea living in Arizona this kind of thing happens a lot more than most people realize. You have to be near bilingual to get along out here half the billboards especially in the less affluent areas are in two languages or just Spanish alone.

I went to a restaurant the other day and the person who sat me didn't know how to speak English. She would ask how many and if you didnt give her a real number she would just blank out. When we got there she said how many i said half a dozen or so and she just stood there and asked how many again. i said six she smiled and lead me to a table..
 
Green Cards do NOT mean you are a citizen. They give you the right to live and work in the US. Once again just because you have a green card does NOT mean you are a citizen of the United States. It allows you to work and live in the United States for x amount of time. Does it make becoming a citizen easier? Hell fucking yes it does, but it's not needed you will see why below. And for a third time A GREEN CARDS DO NOT MEAN YOU ARE A US CITIZEN.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...nnel=96719c7755cb9010VgnVCM10000045f3d6a1RCRD

The Government said:
a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;

So a student visa and work visa would be sufficient enough to apply for citizenship.

Edit: Yes a green card is a work visa, but it's special in that you can go back to your home country. First you must tell the Govt that you are going back to your home country.
 
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It's not our job to support illegal aliens.

Since when does it mean serving active duty in the military equate your whole family being turned into Americans?

If your not American and it's your time to go, then you go. Period.

It's what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.
 
I realize most people are just going to say tl;dr, but if you've posted in this thread, you should at least look for your name in my post as I came in late and disagree with most everything that has been said here so far and responded to most people.

He is serving this country in the Armed forces.
His child was born in America, making him an American Citezen.
He and his wife came here when they were children.

They are only here because their family brought them here, very much like EVERYONE in this country that isn't a Native American. You are only here because of the actions of your ancestors.

If you oppose the US government, good for you. It's one of the most patriotic things you can do. The original "patriots" of America were Americans that Opposed their government and fought to change things for the better.

Ryujin: This country is not crappy. This is the one of the greatest countries in the world. The number one reason? Because you are allowed to say it's crappy with no need to worry about getting your head chopped off. You'll be a lot happier if when you realize that the country is one of the greatest and the people that lead it right now are assholes.

Antor: The US government by no means makes the US what it is. The government does not represent the people anymore, and they haven't for a long time. Someone wants to enjoy the right to say what they think and you tell them to get out. That's about as unamerican as it gets. Do you know why the 2nd amendment is so important? So we will have the tools to revolt if we need to do so. The people that set up our government knew that governing bodies can be crooked no matter how many checks and balances you have. They thought that one day, America might need to overthrow the government. If/when that day comes, the task will be much easier for us than it was for our ancestors.

They knew it was the people that made the country and not the government. That is why they left a certain amount of power in the hands of the people.

She should have thought about becoming legal seven years ago when she became an adult.

Strangly enough, that is exactly what they are doing now. Becoming legal.

Uzor: You have a definitive understanding or our country and what it means to be patriotic.

If he's a US soldier, he has to be a citizen or naturalized. If he somehow got through the system unnoticed (unfuckinglikely), "yay, he's defending American freedom", but he's also leeching:

- Tax dollars that pay for his medical care entirely,
- A housing alliance or free housing if he lives on a base,
- A moderate paycheck that, again, is paid for by OUR tax dollars
- Tax-free shopping and grocery

You tell me how that is fair?

He and his family are afforded the same rights as everyone else who risks their life in service of this country, that is how it's fair.

(Billy Graham has been the spiritual advisor to every president since Eisenhower I think?)

Jesse Jackson was Clinton's Spiritual Advisor, and JFK was a Roman Catholic.

Do your part. Vote, organize peaceful assemblies, and voice your opinion. Shit, write your Florida Congressmen.

I think he's doing just that.

You can't like a country of a government you hate. That makes no god damned sense at all. That doesn't necessarily mean you hate the people who live there. It just means you don't like the country. Our laws and government is what makes this country the US. The way of life in the US is centered around that one thing. You knock down the pillar that holds a platform up then you knock down the whole thing.

You act like the government doesn't ever change when in fact, it does. Would you say you can't like FFXI if you don't like the GMs? You live in south carolina, did you like Strom Thurmond and agree with everything he said and did? If not, does that mean you hate your state and therefor the United States? No, it doesn't. He is gone and a new senator has been put in his place because the government is forever changing. It is by no means unpatriotic to dislike the elected officials of your city/county/district/state/country.

I loathe parts of our government and truely love the land I live in. If you can't grasp that, that isn't my fault, and it isn't my problem.

Jamal said:
There's one difference though, the deportation is directly a result of neglect to follow the proper immigration laws, whereas a father of a terminally ill child holds no responsibility to being the cause of the families problems with the exception of a genetic mutation that can't be controlled. Being military personnel doesn't put you above the law of the land. Just as he can't come home and rob a bank, he also is subject to the immigration laws of the land.

I might agree with you on this if both parents were adults when they came here, but that isn't the case. It is the fault of their parents. Not to mention they have a child that was born here and being deported because of what his grandparents didn't do.

Being in the military does not put you above the laws of the land, but it does show you care about this country.

Sharpe said:
I love my nation, however I can't stand our government. We have beautiful countryside, friendly people, great food (fuck what the French etc say) and plenty of other stuff I love about Britain. Our government is all based on lies, corruption and spin though and I wouldn't piss on any of our parliament if they were on fire.

Yeah, but is sure is funny when I watch the house of commons/lords on tv. It's like American Congress with a 2 drink minimum.

This creation of this topic is entirely centered around whining. You really are dense.

True. If by whining, you mean voicing your opinion, and by dense, you mean he knows more about your country than you do.

Sharpe said:
If he's failed his bid for a permanent visa/citizenship (I don't really know what you need to be allowed to permanently reside in the US) then yes it's fair.

In removal proceedings (deportation) in front of an immigration judge, cancellation of removal is a form of relief that is available for certain long-time residents of the United States. It allows a person being faced with the threat of removal to obtain permanent residence if that person: (1) has been physically present in the U.S. for at least ten years, (2) has had good moral character during that period, (3) has not been convicted of certain crimes, and (4) can show that removal would result in exceptional and extremely unusual hardship to his or her US citizen/permanent resident spouse, children, or parent. This form of relief is only available when a person is served with a Notice to Appear (like a civil summons) to appear in the proceedings in the Immigration Court. Many persons have received their green cards in this way even though removal or deportation was looming.

So really and truely, these people aren't going to be deported. The news story just makes it look that way.

Uzor said:
Exactly. If someone says "What do you think of Turkey?"

I'd say, "Didn't they used to make a lot of furniture there?". Get it?

Antor said:
He has three real choices: 1) shut up and put up with it, 2) move somewhere he likes, or 3) do something about the situation (making a topic on QCDN about it isn't going to make your representative aware of the situation).

This is America, he can say whatever the hell he wants to about it, just like you. Ain't it grand?

Your intentions may not have been an insult but I surely saw it that way. I apologize for seeing it that way, but yeah, I definitely felt insulted by it.

That was the point. He used your logic, therefore you were insulted by your own logic. You say something to someone and that's fine, someone says the same to you and you get insulted.

Mistra said:
In all honesty, he's probably another one of those guys that joined just to have a job.

That is a very big assumption.

Darkdante said:
It's what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.

How does that work when you are trying to redefine "your country"?
 
All this... "for the second time" "for the third time" etc... getting kinda old. No sense in saying it if people aren't going to read it the first time.

Could she have filed for citizenship sooner? Well yes... She definitely could have and should have. I am not trying to argue that she was responsible by any means. However, an active duty soldier... the government can do better than to praise with one hand and shoot with the other.
 
Just because he has been to Iraq 2 times going on 3 does not mean he knows every street and area; does it.



I don't know about you but when i go to other towns 2-3 times i still don't know where everything is. Its also a far stretch from his country of origin and from the Usa.

There is a difference between a solider and a naval officer. A solider is a member of the United States Army. A naval officer, a sailor or seamen if you will, is a member of the United States Navy. Naval officers are on the boat unless given shore leave. Even when given shore leave chances are it's only limited to being on base in case they need to set sail quickly in case of emergency. Seals are an exception they do special op missions so they will see front line battle from time to time. So you are right he doesn't know the streets personally.

Third time deployed we're not even sure if his boat is going to Iraq. Deployment could mean his boat is going to Japan, Korea, or Germany.

Edit: Made an edit to my post above Trippy's and Darkdante's.
 
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How does that work when you are trying to redefine "your country"?

Who's trying to redefine "your country"? That quote was years ago, any redefining has long since been done.

If there is any redefining going on, its this guy here trying to say serving in the military equates his family getting a free pass. I don't think thats right. Where do we stop this "free pass"? His family? His cousins? His uncles? His best friend?

If his family was already citizens then it would be a differnt story.

What are we going to do next? We have allies that fight for us also, should we give them citizenship too? Just because they don't wear our uniforms and use high tech equpment paid by our tax dollars does not mean thier lives that they put on the line are worth any less. Trying to connect the dots and saying we owe all these people for "blah blah blah" reasons is ridicoulos.

Military service does not equal a free pass to citizenship for your relatives. Period.
 
Who's trying to redefine "your country"? That quote was years ago, any redefining has long since been done.

If there is any redefining going on, its this guy here trying to say serving in the military equates his family getting a free pass. I don't think thats right. Where do we stop this "free pass"? His family? His cousins? His uncles? His best friend?

If his family was already citizens then it would be a differnt story.

What are we going to do next? We have allies that fight for us also, should we give them citizenship too? Just because they don't wear our uniforms and use high tech equpment paid by our tax dollars does not mean thier lives that they put on the line are worth any less. Trying to connect the dots and saying we owe all these people for "blah blah blah" reasons is ridicoulos.

Military service does not equal a free pass to citizenship for your relatives. Period.

by trying to redefine "your country" I meant, he is trying to become a citizen of America.

Our Allies that fight for us, are fighting in the armed service of their country and should be given the same rights in their country. And the "free pass" will be given. The news story has been sensationalized to the point everyone thinks this soldier isn't going to have a family to come back to in America. That isn't how it is.

I covered that in my tl;dr post.

Military Service does not equal free pass, nothing does. Living here your 4/5 of your life, serving in the military, having a child born in america, not being arested or getting in trouble with the law in 20 years pretty much does equal free pass.

I see this article as a precursor to a new law that will entice illegals to sign up for the armed services. That's what I see.
 
Everything I could've said has already been said.

To be honest I couldn't spend more than a week or two in the US. I just don't like the lifestyle etc. However there's far worse places to live.
Sharpe, if you don't mind, could you elaborate a bit, please? I've never been outside of America so I'm rather curious as to the lifestyle differences.
 
Just because he has been to Iraq 2 times going on 3 does not mean he knows every street and area; does it.





I don't know about you but when i go to other towns 2-3 times i still don't know where everything is. Its also a far stretch from his country of origin and from the Usa.

I guess you failed to realize that military terms are far longer than your sleepovers in other towns. Go to any town and "live" (for lack of a better term) there for 4-6 months and you will know it as well as your own town. Do it again and youll still know it.

Assuming hes gone to the same area each time then he should be familiar with it. I shouldnt have chose such a petty thing to argue over, but it just stuck out to me. Back to the main point of the thread
 
even if he knows it more then the back of his hand. You cant ignore the fact that it is not his home/country.
 
If you oppose the US government, good for you. It's one of the most patriotic things you can do. The original "patriots" of America were Americans that Opposed their government and fought to change things for the better.

Yes.


Jesse Jackson was Clinton's Spiritual Advisor, and JFK was a Roman Catholic.
You're right; and I should have researched my figures before making the statement.


I think he's doing just that.
He is voicing his opinion, yes. But he was not doing it in a fashion that would get him anywhere at all. I can piss and moan about some law or doctrine I disagree with to my friends and family all day long, but until I complain or discuss with those in charge or attempt to change the system myself, it's not going to do much.

I've already spoken to Ryu about this myself, and he and I are on the same page.

He and his family are afforded the same rights as everyone else who risks their life in service of this country, that is how it's fair.
edit:Marrying a natural-born citizen doesn't afford you the same rights as that person anymore, sadly. So she's not entitled to those same benefits he has, and I'll check it with anyone here who is military, and with the military folk in my family as well.

Again, Ryu and I spoke about this.
 
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edit:Marrying a natural-born citizen doesn't afford you the same rights as that person anymore, sadly. So she's not entitled to those same benefits he has, and I'll check it with anyone here who is military, and with the military folk in my family as well.

I wasn't saying it gives you all the rights of a citizen, I was saying it gives you the same additional benefits that any other spouse with an enlisted partner would have.
 
I wasn't saying it gives you all the rights of a citizen, I was saying it gives you the same additional benefits that any other spouse with an enlisted partner would have.

again, im not sure of that.
 
even if he knows it more then the back of his hand. You cant ignore the fact that it is not his home/country.

Whose to say he's being deployed to the same place each time?

You assumed he was deployed to Iraq. This is probably true, but as I said he could be deployed to one of the many US military bases around the world.
 
why

you claim that military was to fight for the country then say green card soldier..... says to me the army was a way to make a liveing and get citizrenship. well good for them but why did they not put the same principle to work to get citizenship for the spouse!
Play the system halfway and then u want to show indignation when it bites u in the ass. I am an ex-soldier who spent 3 yrs overseas before the fall of the berlin wall, so don't cry to me about this country just look around the world and choose what makes u happy!
 
All of this could of course put a whole new twist on things also Trippy.

It could bring about a time that immigrants get deported alot sooner so stuff like this, and arguments like that can't be brought up.

If they get deported sooner, you couldn't use the arguement that they've been here so long, did all this, and deserve all that. Actually my opinion is they are immigrants, their time spent as an immigrant should have no weight towards the decision on thier citizenship, why should it? They could be just really determined terrorists.

But I do see your point, and it is a strong one.

This is where it looks like were headed. Immigration rules are tightening not loosening, so if anything people will just get deported sooner now.

Anyway thats what I see.
 
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If you can die for a country you can be a citizen in that country

It's not our job to support illegal aliens.

Since when does it mean serving active duty in the military equate your whole family being turned into Americans?

If your not American and it's your time to go, then you go. Period.

It's what you can do for your country, not what your country can do for you.

This is quite possibly one of the dumbest comments I have heard on QCDN and I have heard a lot of them.

Having grown up in Southern California I am less then thrilled with all of the illegal immigration and would like to see it stop.

HOWEVER, if you join the military and serve in combat for a country you now reside in, I think at least you should be given the right to not have your family deported while you are deployed and actually should have the right to be made a citizen, your wife a citizen and your children citizens.

I just skimmed most of the convos here and this quote caught my eye so I thought I would post my Opinion.

Combat Military Service should = Citizenship for member, wife and children
 
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