An ultimatum...

[Peregrine]

Civilized like overtly breaking the user agreement for the game like a bunch of 4 year olds who dropped their lollipops :roll:

Prevention and protection is more effective than retaliation and response. It's easier to immunize against measles than it is to treat it. MPK'ing is an infection, and immunity is the only real solution. If your alliance of leaders was even remotely founded on the goals of prevention and protection, then I'd say good for you.

But that's blatantly not the case, and the topic creator agrees that that's not the case unfortunately. And unfortunately I still have to say shame on you. They're nothing but greedy kids, man. What are you all?

 

[Ryme]

I can't say I didnt see things coming to this. Although out of personal experience I have next to none in dealing with land hnms. Valkyrs is sky, we dont dwell in that area we arent competition for any of that drama.

I do agree its time to ramp up on the efforts those of you who participate in these fights that often turn to blood baths, you dont have any choice and put into a corner I hope you fight back. Good luck for all the LS's that participate and hopefully you can keep the damage to a minimum between competing crowds.

 

[Raivyn]

I really don't know the motives or feelings of the OP but it is true that MPK is not a viable option at this point. You cannot count on favoritism or means to an end logic to save you. It is clearly against TOS.

Although if you really wanted to 'stealing' is always an option, seeing as it sits vaguely outside of the TOS. If the mob becomes claimable to you and you take it that is 'fair'. If you want to retaliate to MPK I suggest you do it by taking their claim if possible and protecting yourself against further MPK.

I reserve the right to rethink this standpoint - it is late and I am not thinking my clearest lol.

 

[cohibuu]

japanese dont take multiple alliance of linkshells to camp NMs and compete against eachother, they simply make 1 alliance of members of different linkshells. one time we claim fafnir and efrost mpk us, we homepoint and run back and be train of spider and we get claim back and they left and we killed fafnir.

 

[Courtney]

Civilized like overtly breaking the user agreement for the game like a bunch of 4 year olds who dropped their lollipops

Prevention and protection is more effective than retaliation and response. It's easier to immunize against measles than it is to treat it. MPK'ing is an infection, and immunity is the only real solution. If your alliance of leaders was even remotely founded on the goals of prevention and protection, then I'd say good for you.

But that's blatantly not the case, and the topic creator agrees that that's not the case unfortunately. And unfortunately I still have to say shame on you. They're nothing but greedy kids, man. What are you all?

You're getting the wrong idea here, Pere...

How about I rephrase it.

On Day 1 Little Johnny starts at a new school. A pack of bullies steal his lunch money. Johnny goes hungry.

Day 2. Little Johnny goes to school. The same bullies steal his lunch money again. This time Johnny tells a teacher. The teacher says it's just Johnny's word against the bullies. Johnny goes hungry again.

Day 3. Little Johnny goes to school. Johnny tells his teacher that he thinks the bullies will take his lunch money again, so the teacher follows him to lunch. The bullies once again take his lunch money. The teacher tells the bullies that they're bad, the bullies apologise and the teacher then watches while the bullies go to the cafeteria buy food with Johnny's money and basicall do nothing while they eat his lunch.

We're now at the end of Day 3.

So what's little Johnny to do. He thinks that he could try to take his money back from the bullies (but there are more of them...), or he could try and ask the other kids (who are likely to be having their lunch money stolen as well) to help.

We're not trying to take anyone elses lunch money. We don't want any special favours. We just want an even playing field.

What happens on Day 4. Will Little Johnny go hungry again? Stay tuned....

 

[bigdumbface]

gogo bcnm abj, save us all sooooo much drama

 

[Elemmire]

But that, to me, would be boring. I find it fun to compete with other LS for a mob that only pops once a day or once a week. I just wish that people wouldn't cheat or do such crap tactics.

 

[Colbwagain]

japanese dont take multiple alliance of linkshells to camp NMs and compete against eachother, they simply make 1 alliance of members of different linkshells. one time we claim fafnir and efrost mpk us, we homepoint and run back and be train of spider and we get claim back and they left and we killed fafnir.

I was there.

Nobody MPK'd anybody.

You didn't get the claim and you died trying to MPK them.

You ended up killing Neyla who was also watching.

 

[Darkdante]

/teamwork

{Can I have it?}

 

[Colbwagain]

There will never be teamwork. First of all NotoriousBlunders doesn't have the brain capacity to understand the concept of teamwork.

Notice how quick Maseki was to respond to this? He knows that his pyramid scheme failed and that he's not making a quarter of as much gil as he thought he would. He (she?) knows how awful NotoriousBlunders is and is trying desperately to aid the other LS leaders because he (she?) thinks they have it better off.

But as a sig in the flameboard proved:

OuterHaven is doing even worse in the gil department.

Once these two linkshells get their acts together then maybe we will lend a hand to them.

 

[Elemmire]

pfft.. as opposed to your glorious gilseller friends that can't even take the weaker HNMs without having 300 people help them? You suck, they suck, go fuck off.

 

[Skaw]

pfft.. as opposed to your glorious gilseller friends that can't even take the weaker HNMs without having 300 people help them? You suck, they suck, go fuck off.

Better than quoting it too, and actually bringing out what it says to those that have it on ignore.

 

[Colbwagain]

Actually we're all richer than all NA except Affinity (and even they have exceptions...the Mithrapride girls wouldn't even be in Affinity if I hadn't of destroyed Mithrapride in January.)

 

[Elemmire]

pfft.. richer? with shitty game money? whoopy.. and you are only richer because you sell and buy gil like the gilwhores you are

 

[Colbwagain]

Actually I've never bought or sold gil. I just get it. Massive amounts of it.

hahahahahahahhahahahah

 

[Elemmire]

Anyways.. now that he's blocked.. I'm up for this idea, Nasya. I'm sure something can be worked out

 

[Stouter]

I would recommend against this. Nothing would show them our true weight better than for our main shells to make it clear that we are above these offenders...that we won't stoop to their level. That would make a better ultimatum. They're not gods. They're adolescents. When push comes to shove, they think they deserve it more than you do because they were there first and that this is their game. This has only a fraction to do with race, although unfortunately let's be honest here--it's a small factor because this is the real world. This is more about timing though, and perceived threat.

To reply in kind will do nothing but hurt you. If they accidentally agro bark spiders every time, that's wood on the fire for the rule-enforcers to chew on. Escalation would be inevitable, and in the end I can all but guarantee you'll come out with nothing but a bitter taste in your mouths and spewing the same paranoid Na-whined jp-bias spiel that makes almost every other server reek. Quetza doesn't reek yet. Don't start this crap. You're better than they are.

How many times would you honestly take the high road and turn the other cheek if they continued this? This isn't about some kids doing this for your reaction to it. They are doing it for their own greed, and if they see no consequences for it, then they will continue.

As a shell, we feel that it is not wrong to ‘steal’ back what was stolen from us. At this point this is isolated only to that specific camp, it does not move beyond that for us. The means by which I would allow my guys to try and reclaim our stolen claims were limited at best. Now, with blockaid it is impossible (most common method of theft from us was made with cure spam, so I authorized my guys to do the same to those who had just done it to us).

I have always found this to be the best policy, treat MPK on a case by case basis, don't start a MPK war.

 

[Bajaratt]

There will never be teamwork. First of all NotoriousBlunders doesn't have the brain capacity to understand the concept of teamwork.

Notice how quick Maseki was to respond to this? He knows that his pyramid scheme failed and that he's not making a quarter of as much gil as he thought he would. He (she?) knows how awful NotoriousBlunders is and is trying desperately to aid the other LS leaders because he (she?) thinks they have it better off.

But as a sig in the flameboard proved:

OuterHaven is doing even worse in the gil department.

Once these two linkshells get their acts together then maybe we will lend a hand to them.

And which LS are you in? Oh that's right the GILSELLER LS, because no one else wanted to be associated with a prick like you. Grow up, get a clue and come back when you're not a waste of the air you're breathing.

 

[Tyrath]

If everyone just put Colbwa on ignore we could all move on peacefully >.>

 

[Nasya]

I don't reply to the whole thing. I read the functional point, and what I read is the title that says "ultimatum" and 90 percent of the ensuing paragraphs that talk about mpk retaliation. I'm not missing much. One little sentence talked about mpk prevention. One. You want to call me out for nitpicking all but one sentence? I covered 30 sentences.

While MPK retaliation is what got the majority of the post space on this forum, it is what i am talking about the least on our own. I gave it the most room here because it was the part that i expected (and rightly so) to get the most response on.

quote from one of the posts on this topic from our LS forums.

More important than our reaction to a sucessful MPK we need to figure out ways to prevent it.

-We can have one person who stands near the drop down who can sleep spiders as they come.

-In the event of a MPK attempt if we start failing we can cause a flail after getting most of our members out and CFH it while they run back in.

-We should study the area and figure out where the fight shoudl take place to make it the most difficult to MPK us. I know it's a small area, but no factor to preventing this from happening is too small to consider.

-We could have a small party up who are dedicated simply to clearing out spiders. I don't know how practicle this is, but it may be a good idea.

-We could have some of our BLMS purposefully take all the spiders to the zone line and sleep them, sort of how we did with the Snolls at Jormangand.

Please, although i think it is the time to react to their actions, at the same time i think it is better to be proactive and simply prevent the situation from happening. List other ideas, lets make it so we can dominate without sinking to their level if at all possible.

Honest to god, the most effective response is prevention, i'm well aware of that. That is what i want to focus on. Bringing more numbers, perhaps making agreements with other shells to stop MPK attempts if we happen to be at the same camp. While a alliance for this sort of thing may be nice, given the touchy politics between shells i don't think that at *this* point it would be practicle.

in general to people responding to pere, he is writing intelligently and for the most part very clamly on this topic. It's going to split the community, because the consiquences of this are pretty big... there are going to be a number of people against this; personally i am actually one of them, but i know that my LS is at the point where it can't progress if we don't do something, and the game simply doesn't provide any incentive for these people to start behaving.

If you want to argue with him that's fine, that's going to happen, this is a debate. But, his points are valid, so please refrain from name calling, and at least give them some consideration. Sorry for... idk trying to direct the conversation i guess, i just don't want it to end up as a shouting match.

Colbwa, Maseki responded right away because he and i had been talking while i was making the post, he knew about it before it was up.

Others, kindly ingnore colbwa, if it becomes a yelling match against him there won't be anymore useful posts.