Answers from JP Players

The problem I find with using the Auto-Translate is I feel rather robotic in the words I end up sending a Japanese player, smileys aside theres not much emotion given from the basic words SE has given us in the Auto-Translator.

I've been in partys entirely comprised of Japanese players save myself and I try to keep any discussion as clear as I can since I know how easy it is to be mis-understood in typed form. I'd say most of any partys I have had with Japanese players went very well.
 
All I have to say is:

When I talked in my web based and broken JP, I ended up with a permanent WHM for pts for about 2 weeks straight, and 2 buddies who always helped out (Outside cures, DD's).

Had a running joke with the JP WHM that she was my "Party Wife".

Lesson is: Learn some JP. They try to learn ours, so learn some of theirs.

Also. JP people are so nice when I tell them I'm Canadian and not American..

Im not being rude, Im just calling it how it is.
 
People also have a bad habit of exaggerating the bad and minimizing the good.

You could have 10 good experiences, but it only takes that one bad encounter to cause an issue.

You could have a 3 NA and 3 JP party that goes perfectly smooth and everyone is happy, with a fair amount of communication via Auto-Translator.

But it just takes taht one person, that one replacment. That one NA guy that has a problem with JP or vice versa.

It's an issue that isn't exclusive to the game. Alot of the issues we encounter is simple racism.

One idiot NA ticks off a JP player, suddenly that JP player has a bad opinion of not only that player, but many other NA players. Now, depending on the reaction of that JP player, it could end there are spread to his friends, thus weaving a horrid web of racism and creating a rift between the two sides.

The best thing we can do is act as intelligently as possible when dealing with othe players, regardless of nationality.
 
Brydan said:
I get out of this that most Japanese hate the english language with a passion,
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As for the language , no, since they use english words alot when they talk, especially on this game where the spells keep english names. As for "foreigners" it's another story.. Not like it hurts much anyway JP prime is 4 am US..
 
Genkaku said:
All I have to say is:

Lesson is: Learn some JP. They try to learn ours, so learn some of theirs.
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I doubt JP players are learning English exclusively to communicate with English speaking players on FFXI, which is the way I interpreted your "lesson". Most people that don't have English as their first language learn it because English is the language of the country (U.S.A.) that has the most influence throughout the world, whether that influence is good or bad. This isn't American pride, this is truth. Maybe one day Mandarin Chinese will be the secondary language of choice.

Genkaku said:
Also. JP people are so nice when I tell them I'm Canadian and not American.
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Maybe I should start saying I'm Canadian then. God forbid I only live 45 miles from the Canadian border, and have a habit of saying "Eh" after some sentences.
 
Genkaku said:
Also. JP people are so nice when I tell them I'm Canadian and not American.
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I'm not surprised. I found a survey while browsing the internet once and I came across a Canadian merchaniser website that would sell Canada patches, flags, stickers, etc with the Canada flag. Anyways it was really quite interesting that almost 85% of their clientel were Americans to pose as Canadians when touring because everyone loves Canada! Eh? :P
 
Germ said:
I doubt JP players are learning English exclusively to communicate with English speaking players on FFXI, which is the way I interpreted your "lesson".
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Seriously?

Most people that don't have English as their first language learn it because English is the language of the country (U.S.A.) that has the most influence throughout the world, whether that influence is good or bad. This isn't American pride, this is truth. Maybe one day Mandarin Chinese will be the secondary language of choice.
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Really? I was under the impression it was a "universal language" and while the US may weigh in on it, wasnt the main reason. Why hello there England, Canada, Aussie-Land ect.

Maybe I should start saying I'm Canadian then. God forbid I only live 45 miles from the Canadian border, and have a habit of saying "Eh" after some sentences.
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Hey, dont blame me because they asked "American?" and when I said no, I got a lot of "Oh :D :D Nice to meet you!!". Oh and its 72km.
 
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I'm believe English is an optional class for them in school. Or mandatory, not too sure. Japanese is not for western countries, so technically it's more effort for us to learn Japanese than the other way around. I have nothing else to really add since I've had only 1 semi-bad experience with a Japanese player revolving around the /check function (Which was explained to me later, and nothing serious happened anyway) and am in a small Japanese linkshell myself - Which began due to me being helped by a White Mage a long time ago. I can't understand much of what is being said though, except apparently there's a joke revolving around {Voracious Trunk} - probably similar to the English one.

Oh, I'm not American, and they had to look for my country on Google when I told them where I lived.
 
Germ said:
I doubt JP players are learning English exclusively to communicate with English speaking players on FFXI, which is the way I interpreted your "lesson". Most people that don't have English as their first language learn it because English is the language of the country (U.S.A.) that has the most influence throughout the world, whether that influence is good or bad. This isn't American pride, this is truth. Maybe one day Mandarin Chinese will be the secondary language of choice.
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English is a widespread language (maybe 3rd most spoken?), because so much of the world was colonised by England.

You'll find very few countries that speak English because the Americans took the language there...
 
In a few years more Chinese people will speak English than the total amount we have in America
 
Genkaku said:
Seriously?

Really? I was under the impression it was a "universal language" and while the US may weigh in on it, wasnt the main reason. Why hello there England, Canada, Aussie-Land ect.
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A "Universal language"? So England, Canada, and Australia, (outside the U.S. (and New Zealand I think)), speak English as the primary language and it's the Universal Language? If that's the case then I would say that the United States has the most influence of the English speaking countries, and therefore the most influence of the "Universal Language". We may be crossing lines and trying to say the same thing. I'm not being sarcastic or a straight up smartass. Typed text can be hard to interpret sometimes.

My basic point is JP players don't know their basic English skills from trying to communicate with English FFXI players. I'm not playing this game to learn a new language, so I don't expect them too. For $300.00 I can get the Rosetta Stone and learn a new language, which if was the case, would be a fuck-ton cheaper than trying to learn a few phrases to communicate on FFXI.
 
Ewok said:
How is it ironic? The poster didn't say "I like it when NA speak in perfect Japanese, never using English". In other words, they like it when we compromise, as some of them do when they speak in our language.
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It's ironic that the person saidy we're selfish for not trying to speak in fragmented romanji, when a large majority of them are completely unwilling to even try to speak in broken english.
 
The second sentence could also be unrelated to the first, negating your entire point.

EDIT: That is how I first read that answer in the first place - 'Some NA try to use little Japanese to be better understood.' {And} 'but some are selfish, and I don't like that'. They didn't necessarily refer to the lack of language learning as being selfish, but the behaviour of NA in general.
 
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Not sure why English is the universal language, allthough I do know that countries that have a different language and do not have English as their primary language converse in language.
 
Germ said:
I doubt JP players are learning English exclusively to communicate with English speaking players on FFXI, which is the way I interpreted your "lesson". Most people that don't have English as their first language learn it because English is the language of the country (U.S.A.) that has the most influence throughout the world, whether that influence is good or bad. This isn't American pride, this is truth. Maybe one day Mandarin Chinese will be the secondary language of choice.
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Nowadays perhaps, however, a huge amount of countries learnt English, learnt it because they were part of the British Empire or did trade with the British.
 
In the 20th and 21st centuries it has to do with technical fields. English is the language spoken primarily by the medical profession, and I know it's the common language spoken across airwaves for flight personnel.
 
Germ said:
Most people that don't have English as their first language learn it because English is the language of the country (U.S.A.) that has the most influence throughout the world, whether that influence is good or bad. This isn't American pride, this is truth. Maybe one day Mandarin Chinese will be the secondary language of choice.
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wut.

Hello, half of the people in my school learned german as second langage. Is that because german has a huge influence on the world ? It's call freedom, you learn the langage you want, and tbh if you are in an advance country the least I expect is you can speak 2 foreign languages.
 
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