Any way to level NIN without tanking?

NIN isnt a good DD at all from 1 to 37, infact it doesnt pick up till 60s. As for /BLM, Ichi sucks dont even bother. /RNG might be an option, but thats pretty heavy gil toss and I personally dont think its worth it. Like other have said, just find another nin or war/nin.
 
I'm a get advanced for you, so try and keep up. when mob pulls up tank has 3 shadows. after 2 shadows drop he recasts. as he is casting last shadow drops and 3 more are up. those 3 blink away. next war vokes and after the second shadow comes down he casts again. while that is happening the 3rd shadow drops and 3 more are up. That is 12 shadows.

And yes, 1-50 people don't know what they are doing, I'd even say 1-60. The other day I got a party as a 38 PLD. It was from a rank 6 MNK named Tidy. Fucking moron invited people didn't have a SC set up. Needless to say XP sucked, and they ended up doing some shitty SC, detonation i think. You tend to get more of that pre-50 definitely, and even through the 50s you get that. I had a couple rants when I was running my SAM and WAR through the 50's.

People have no skill, they get PL'd through garlaige and CN. They suck at an easy game. They don't understand basic concepts, like a lvl 40 BLM being excited at a MB cause it actually happened.

I gaurantee you 99/100 shitty parties i get i'm invited to, they aren't parties I made. I've seen more xp in one day than you've seen in your best week scrublet.
 
OK first you say that 1-50 people don't know what they are doing. Then you say that they will have 12 shadows between 2 people. You can't have it both ways of people not knowing what they are doing, and coordinating something like that.

What is wrong with detonation? Oh yeah it's not distortion and everyone knows that distortion is the only good SC. Oh I see you always invite people based on a SC and if you can't make the SC you want then it's not a good time to party.

Also on a side note I would like to know how it is even possible to get invited to a party that you made? Connection lost aside. Get out of the 1D world you live in.
 
2x war/nin tanking is what most my parties consisted of as war and I went through 30-50 in four or five days.
 
Shaunessy said:
OK first you say that 1-50 people don't know what they are doing. Then you say that they will have 12 shadows between 2 people. You can't have it both ways of people not knowing what they are doing, and coordinating something like that.

What is wrong with detonation? Oh yeah it's not distortion and everyone knows that distortion is the only good SC. Oh I see you always invite people based on a SC and if you can't make the SC you want then it's not a good time to party.

Also on a side note I would like to know how it is even possible to get invited to a party that you made? Connection lost aside. Get out of the 1D world you live in.
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You'd have to be completely retarded to not be able to hit your utsusemi macro once after your shadows are down or are almost down. The chances of two people that stupid are very low, so that's 12 shadows. That's all basic stuff, them being able to keep shadows up after that means they actually have a clue what they're doing.

Generally people don't know that they're doing, in fact I saw a couple of them in parties as a samurai(49 right now) today. A Blm who didn't know how to MB(we had to tell him, but at least he admitted it), a thf who could't sata and then ditched our party in the middle of a fight(Greengreen btw); they exist, stop acting like they don't. It's perfectly possible, and far more probable, for half the party to be incompetant and for half the party to have a brain than to have an entire party of idiots.

For detonation, there aren't a lot of mobs fought at that level that are weak to wind, so detonation isn't the best sc to do at that level. Distortion is the cookie-cutter SC until 60, but it's also the easiest level 2 skillchain to do given the weapon skills at that level without using one of the stun weapon skills. The fact that almost every mob until 60 is weak to ice helps as well.
 
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Shaunessy said:
OK first you say that 1-50 people don't know what they are doing. Then you say that they will have 12 shadows between 2 people. You can't have it both ways of people not knowing what they are doing, and coordinating something like that.

What is wrong with detonation? Oh yeah it's not distortion and everyone knows that distortion is the only good SC. Oh I see you always invite people based on a SC and if you can't make the SC you want then it's not a good time to party.

Also on a side note I would like to know how it is even possible to get invited to a party that you made? Connection lost aside. Get out of the 1D world you live in.
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I can teach any morons to count to 6. Problem with detenation is that it doesn't do as much damage for 1. I actually don't like distortion, I enjoy Fusion, that way the WHM can MB as well. Now, the detonation SC wasn't figured out until about an hour into the pt. They were solo'n WS...it hurt. When you get to higher levels you will notice how much smoother parties go, it is just a fact.

You tend to assume I'm 1 dimensional, yet I've had 2 parties in the late 50's without refresh or dispel, and both were very succesful.
 
its really not 12 shadows, because the second guy wont voke at the right time or the 1st guy wont recast between fights even though hes only got one shadow left to save money... Or...

You can probably count on 6. Maybe.

In answer to the original question, no. You are welcome to try but I thought you wanted to get this to 37 quickly so you dont have to deal with it. The best way to do that is just tank. If you really hate the idea that much you will solo faster than get pt exp due to lack of invites.

I wouldn't invite you, not trying to be mean but your katana dmg is pitiful you will hit for crap especially through the dunes on crabs. 1 1 1 1 1 crit for 2! 1 1 0 0 1... Yeah its that bad sometimes. With /rng you can do some dmg but its terribly expensive and you wont be invited anyways. I don't invite the smn/blm because he doesnt want to heal, and I wont invite the nin/drk who doesnt want to tank... Leaders who do invite you will probably be terribly desparate, and you know what kind of parties those are...

Just tank it, you'll just be frustrated and unhappy otherwise. Its actually a lot of fun, you might just like it.
 
No it's just people that want to do their biggest DMG WS all the time that is the problem. You can get good bursts off of all second level WS but most people only know how to do distortion, and if there is another second level WS possible in the party they will never know about it. How many people are willing to do a stun WS to get a good burst? I've seen very few that will on my SAM. I tell them to do this and then they reply with "well is there anything we can do that I will be able to use this WS instead on?" Close minded. That is what most people on this game are. You see it all the time. Look at all the threads about how people should play, what people should play, when people should play, why people should play, where you should party, how the party should be set up. Even in this very thread you see it. You asked a simple question about how can you play nin to 37 without tanking, and what did you get. OMFG NOOB NINS ARE TANKS AND CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING ELSE. Close minded.
 
meeze said:
I can teach any morons to count to 6. Problem with detenation is that it doesn't do as much damage for 1. I actually don't like distortion, I enjoy Fusion, that way the WHM can MB as well. Now, the detonation SC wasn't figured out until about an hour into the pt. They were solo'n WS...it hurt. When you get to higher levels you will notice how much smoother parties go, it is just a fact.

You tend to assume I'm 1 dimensional, yet I've had 2 parties in the late 50's without refresh or dispel, and both were very succesful.
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Well where was your infinate knowledge of the game for the first hour of the party? It's not that hard to find a renkei chart on the internet. Here try this www.adennak.com. You don't have to be doing the SC to suggest one. Or would you rather bitch about the party later than help it out now?
 
The fact is, NIN isnt much ofa DD until Shuryukens or elemental NIs. the elemental Ichis aren't even worth using except as a hate grabbing method. Even then you're better off waiting for voke to come back cause it takes so long to cast.

Katana and dagger ws's arent that hot, neither is sword. So sure from lvl 27 or 29, i forget what lvl shuryukens are they can DD /rng. /blm is pretty useless as those spells do very little damage. There isn't anywhere else to pull damage from unless you discovered a new way, in that case fill us in.
 
Well my NIN is level 16 and I almost collected all the gear I want for it to level it more so I'll do a test and see if I can parse my findings then post on it.
 
Shaunessy said:
Well where was your infinate knowledge of the game for the first hour of the party? It's not that hard to find a renkei chart on the internet. Here try this www.adennak.com. You don't have to be doing the SC to suggest one. Or would you rather bitch about the party later than help it out now?
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Up until then I had competent DD who new their job was to SC for the BLM or we had a bunch of DD and no BLM so we didn't SC or just made it up. I actually ended up downloading one, and came up with the detenation SC so we wouldn't be wasting our BLM.

And if you have read my posts before, I don't put up for shitty xp. I took control of that party after we could barely kill anything, and once I started giving instruction the party turned out a decent 3.5k an hour.

I was thanked by 3/5 other members for doing so.
 
I was in the same boat you are, Baj. Had to level NIN and I hated tanking wiht it. So I did some research on it and found 4 ways to get NIN through the jungles.

1) (tank) Sub WAR, equip as much +eva gear as you can, and blink tank.
2) (tank) Sub WAR, equip as much def gear as you can, and straight-up tank mandies since they don't hit very hard.
3) (DD) Sub RNG, equip a gun and as much +r.acc and r.attk you can.
4) (DD) Sub WAR or RNG, get a ton of shurikens and as much r.acc and r.attk you can.

Personally, I chose #3 and leveled ninja from 26-29 as NIN/RNG with a gun, some pre and some post ranged attack change. Both times, I was top DD in the party over BLMs, MNKs, DRGs, SAMs, and a few other melee DD. Got pretty hard to hit anything after 29, though, as marksmanship is only a B or C class for NIN. It is very possible and rather effective if you equip yourself right and tell parties ahead of time what role you are assuming. My NIN is still 29 but I plan to just bite the bullet and tank the rest of the way to 37. I dont' like using the ninjutsu to hold hate so I plan on using a lot of shurikens.
 
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Shuriken are lvl 18. You can buy them for 4-8k/stack in Tenshodo.
Juji Shuriken are lvl 28. You can buy them for 33k/stack in Norg or get them crafted for only slightly cheaper (given a 95+ smither including GP/support).

Both have really high DPS for their lvl.
 
I did NIN/DRG for most of 25-30, parsed just as high as the heavier DDs I partied with (including drk and war/mnk).

Things like the right choice of food, and careful balance of gear can make a very large difference.
 
DarkMagnus said:
If you do get a pt as dding nin , try a GK (nin can use those too).
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yeah...no. big weapons don't mean more damage. ever see a 75 NIN on EPs? 100+ damage a katana, sometimes 1k+ WS.

NIN were meant to be DD/debuff/elemental damage characters. Utsusemi was meant to be for NIN like Blink is for WHM, BLM, and RDM. your damage isn't THAT bad, it acually is pretty nice after 37.

when I'm tanking and especially soloing I just throw up Berserk since I rarely get hit anyway. usually end up 40-50 damage a hit with 150-300 WS, at 45, that's pretty damn nice.
 
Why does everyone keep saying sub DRG? I would have thought WAR or DRK since they have the highest base STR of all jobs. Or am I mistaken?
 
I dealt with 2 War/Nin tanking in Garlaige a few times and they did amazing.. except I took hate every other fight.. without bers -.- (Sam)
But um.. Nin were MADE to be DD.. so.. I can see it
Just today my fiance was in a pt with Pld tank, Sam DD, and Nin backup-tank/dd... it's not that hard.. I see PLENTY of pld and nin, or nin and nin pts..
 
Lavi said:
Why does everyone keep saying sub DRG? I would have thought WAR or DRK since they have the highest base STR of all jobs. Or am I mistaken?
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Before 30, war doesn't really offer anything other than provoke. The difference in STR would be minimal at those levels, so a different sub doesn't matter that much. Subbing drg gets you an attack boost and jump at 10(20 for sub), which would do a lot more for damage than 1-2 more STR. Drk also gets you some low level spells and an attack boost at 10(20 for sub).
 
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