Arctyrael, Protectorate of the Moronic

Skaw said:
"Shut the fuck up" isn't flamebait
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I dare you to tell random people, shut the fuck up for an entire day out in the street. Then tell me it's not a flame bait.

"Shut the fuck up" shows complete disrespect towards a person, and often invites a defense. There are many ways to get the same idea off without this. I would never tell my friends to "shut the fuck up", neither a professor, parents, co-worker, or anyone unless I wanted to know they had zero respect or value in my eyes. If you can't figure out a nicer way to get your idea across then you're just being an asshole. Many of the people I know wouldn't take a "Shut the fuck up" without offense, most would be inclined to defend themselves verbally (or worse depending on situation). To me that phrase is a perfect example of a flame bait.

If you can't see this, and view your words from other people's eyes (who many not necessarily of grown up in the same culture/town/setting as you), then you have lost a certain sense of civility.
 
Since Skaw did *not* provide a nice flameboard-worthy OP with a concise summary, sufficient pertinent details, and possibly a link or two for further reading... For those of us who *don't* know what he's biliously rhapsodizing about, could someone at least provide the "concise summary" part?
 
My guess is Post #30 on the New Tank thread in GD. From that I would assume Skaw got slapped by Arc (as I did later in the thread) for responding to Hellstorm's stupidness appropriately.
That post also shows what Skaw pointed out later in this thread, a quote still containing a deleted post.
 
Daveman said:
"Shut the fuck up" shows complete disrespect towards a person, and often invites a defense. There are many ways to get the same idea off without this. I would never tell my friends to "shut the fuck up", neither a professor, parents, co-worker, or anyone unless I wanted to know they had zero respect or value in my eyes.
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I think that pretty much sums Hellstorm and his opinions up in the eyes of most people.

Which is another thing that comes from being babied by the moderation staff, idiots don't know they're idiots. People need to know that when they say somthing so stupid and moronic that they're going to be called on it. All opinions are not created equal, and pretending they are is detrimental to the people in question.
 
Marajade said:
I think that pretty much sums Hellstorm and his opinions up in the eyes of most people.

Which is another thing that comes from being babied by the moderation staff, idiots don't know they're idiots. People need to know that when they say somthing so stupid and moronic that they're going to be called on it. All opinions are not created equal, and pretending they are is detrimental to the people in question.
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Gatttsu said:
Every time you post something like that, it should be considered flamebaiting and treated as such. You're even wearing on my nerves with your nonsense, I have a shitload of patience.
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That's from very early in the thread as well. And I completely agree with it.
 
I always thought the best kind of mods were the ones we bearly noticed, ie they interact very little with the community but do in fact perform many mundane tasks that we dont always notice in a large board.

I thought anything goes in the flameboard? People are always belittling their fellow posters in there are they not?
 
:O I say we get the ban stick out!
 
jamal said:
This isn't he-said she-said. I listed out an argumentative case of how you've taken the sides of those at fault (Hellstorm, Caerloc, Lavi, Morwen) rather than actually listening to me, who was, and still is, right on all accounts.
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I'm not really sure where i've been at fault?
 
Caerloc said:
I'm not really sure where i've been at fault?
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Here's a hint. I only told you 5 times in the thread:
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Go back and read that thread again tho.
My first post simply pointed out that rdm indeed has acess to hate tools, when people claimed they didnt. If people are incorrect, why shouldnt i correct them? Is it ok to be wrong, just cause your in a specific place? I then kindly kept to my self while people discussed rdm and exp tanking, i wasnt going to argue that. Then people claimed rdm couldnt tank HNM's. And again, if people are incorrect, why shouldnt i correct them? Not once in the thread did i start the discussion.

Not to mention the OP clearly included endgame tanking.
 
Caerloc said:
Go back and read that thread again tho.
My first post simply pointed out that rdm indeed has acess to hate tools, when people claimed they didnt. If people are incorrect, why shouldnt i correct them? Is it ok to be wrong, just cause your in a specific place? I then kindly kept to my self while people discussed rdm and exp tanking, i wasnt going to argue that. Then people claimed rdm couldnt tank HNM's. And again, if people are incorrect, why shouldnt i correct them? Not once in the thread did i start the discussion.

Not to mention the OP clearly included endgame tanking.
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I don't give a fuck what you think was said. If you're going to talk about ONLY endgame, then talk about ONLY endgame in ENDGAME discussion. If you're going to talk about the job as a whole, keep it there.

Christ, you called out skaw in the middle for not participating in END-GAME EVENTS.

I did read the fucking thread, and you retaliating here is AGAIN off-subject. I'm now going to show you how easy it is to start an end-game discussion thread. Rather than taking one quote out of people's posts, you simply move to the correct forum, and start a thread. God you're a fucking moron still trying to justify yourself while admitting all you talk is ENDGAME.
 
did I miss something? is there a RDM tanking thread in end-game discussion?

Because I don't see my name mentioned among the people who apparently are wrong on all accounts (I can only assume that's what you mean, since you're apparently right on all accounts). Ironically, you weren't right on all accounts. You were horribly wrong on RDM's effectiveness in end-game situations.
 
Uzor said:
did I miss something? is there a RDM tanking thread in end-game discussion?

Because I don't see my name mentioned among the people who apparently are wrong on all accounts (I can only assume that's what you mean, since you're apparently right on all accounts). Ironically, you weren't right on all accounts. You were horribly wrong on RDM's effectiveness in end-game situations.
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Quote me saying that Uzor. I never argued RDM couldn't tank. I argued it wasn't the time nor the place. And yes, you are missing something. The mods, or someone who wanted to talk endgame RDM tanking SHOULD have split the thread so as not to ruin the discussion as was done.

I did it in a couple of minutes:
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?p=817849#post817849
 
Marajade said:
I think that pretty much sums Hellstorm and his opinions up in the eyes of most people.

Which is another thing that comes from being babied by the moderation staff, idiots don't know they're idiots. People need to know that when they say somthing so stupid and moronic that they're going to be called on it. All opinions are not created equal, and pretending they are is detrimental to the people in question.
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Showing complete disrespect for someone is just asking to start an argument, weather or not they deserve it, it's still a flame bait. I don't know the post or context, but if he had told hellstorm why he was wrong, or why the ideas are stupid, rather than saying "shut the fuck up", then it would not be a flamebait, if he did that and started/ended with "shut the fuck up", then if he deleted that one line, it wouldn't of been a flamebait. I do agree that if you say something stupid or moronic, you're gonna be called out on it, but "Shut the fuck up" doesn't call out any opinion.
 
Uzor said:
did I miss something? is there a RDM tanking thread in end-game discussion?

Because I don't see my name mentioned among the people who apparently are wrong on all accounts (I can only assume that's what you mean, since you're apparently right on all accounts). Ironically, you weren't right on all accounts. You were horribly wrong on RDM's effectiveness in end-game situations.
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Fucking douche. The thread is about xp tank, not end game tank. Even BRD can tank in endgame, but I wouldn't choose one at level 50 to go up against a crab.
 
jamal said:
Quote me saying that Uzor. I never argued RDM couldn't tank. I argued it wasn't the time nor the place. And yes, you are missing something. The mods, or someone who wanted to talk endgame RDM tanking SHOULD have split the thread so as not to ruin the discussion as was done.

I did it in a couple of minutes:
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?p=817849#post817849
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Very pretty thread. Too bad it reaks of sarcasm the need to prove something :P The only thing it needs are 2 more dots at the end.
 
Uzor said:
Very pretty thread. Too bad it reaks of sarcasm the need to prove something :P The only thing it needs are 2 more dots at the end.
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Read my last post in GD then. I have no doubt RDM is a versatile enough job. I only stated it was started out of boredom, and that this type of discussion belonged elsewhere.
 
The sarcasm it reeks of is because of how goddamn easy it was to write that, instead of posting bullshit that I seriously couldn't give two shits about. Thus, by putting it in endgame discussion, it gets the concern and attention it deserves without interrupting a damn good thread idea by Daynor.
 
Callum said:
Fucking douche. The thread is about xp tank, not end game tank. Even BRD can tank in endgame, but I wouldn't choose one at level 50 to go up against a crab.
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Let me quote the first post in that thread. Remember this is the very first post.
SE said in the Fan Festival that they want to make one or more of the current job to be the next new tank

when i mean a tank job .. endgames also include not just in EXP party

so who you going to bet on ?

so far i think these jobs can be made into tanks after "few" adjustments

SAM
Seigan + Third Eye combo and good skill on parry but third eye cant block magic or some AoE moves

WAR
Provoke , Defender but how many wars want to tanks now days

MNK
alot of HP , Dodge , Counterstance and Chakra but cant live long due to its low def after Counterstance

PUP with PLD puppet *i forgot the name*
puppet got alot of good attachments for tanking ... but unable to cure the puppet is major flaw
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Game, match, set.
 
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